Bobcats Picks Discussion (#9, #19, #39)

doc.end · Post #101 » by **doc.end** » Sat May 21, 2011 2:54 pm

Which Thompson?

What about Jenkins? he would probably go somwehre between our two later picks but still.

Snidely FC · Post #102 » by **Snidely FC** » Sat May 21, 2011 3:03 pm

Williams, Derrick 6'7.25'' 6'8.75'' 248.4 7'1.5'' 9'0''
Williams, Jordan 6'7.75'' 6'9'' 247.2 7'0.25'' 8'10.5''

Jordan Williams measured the same height at Derek Williams but Derek has a bigger wingspan and higher standing reach and people want to draft Jordan to be our Center? I think his measurements should remove Jordan Williams from our board. I'd rather resign Kwame, sign Aaran Gray as backup and draft a wingman (Klay Thompson, Reggie Jackson, Jordan Hamilton, Tyler Honeycutt).

Kembastockton · Post #103 » by **Kembastockton** » Sat May 21, 2011 3:08 pm

Right now my final wish list is:

9- Alec, Kawhi, Dontas

19- Klay, Hamilton, Singleton

39- Marshon, Reggie Jackson, Benson

I had Reggie at 19 until I read about his horrible shooting percentages.

doc.end · Post #104 » by **doc.end** » Sat May 21, 2011 3:15 pm

I really want us to draft a real big, no matter of holes in their games. Oakley can do wonders with players like Biyombo. I mean Kwame is not the most offensively gifted player but we all have seen how he can create problems for opposite teams used effectively - just being on right place on the right time.

BTW someone posted video of Bismack, would like to see more than blocks and dunks, but there some interesting plays like the very first defensive one. Enjoy.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Wm0rf9c7PQ&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

doc.end · Post #105 » by **doc.end** » Sat May 21, 2011 3:41 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2QFlV3X ... re=related check the 1:02
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmndi2b- ... re=related check 1:50 among others

Badd_Intentions · Post #106 » by **Badd_Intentions** » Sat May 21, 2011 3:42 pm

Jordan Williams, I thought he could be a candidate at 19 but his measurables have disappointed me a bit. Also just seeing him on the court with some of those other centers and he looks like he could use another year of school, but looking at the numbers he put up against good quality competition (UNC, Duke, Pitt) he put up pretty good stats and that was while carrying a larger body fat percentage. I want to see how he does in these team workouts.

Burks seems to be a good player, my thing with him is how close is he in talent to Brooks? We might be able to get better value taking a big at 9 and Brooks at 19. I'm hoping that Jan drops to us, I need to do more research on Donatas though.

bobcats3wallace · Post #107 » by **bobcats3wallace** » Sat May 21, 2011 3:44 pm

Snidely FC wrote:Williams, Derrick 6'7.25'' 6'8.75'' 248.4 7'1.5'' 9'0''
Williams, Jordan 6'7.75'' 6'9'' 247.2 7'0.25'' 8'10.5''

Jordan Williams measured the same height at Derek Williams but Derek has a bigger wingspan and higher standing reach and people want to draft Jordan to be our Center? I think his measurements should remove Jordan Williams from our board. I'd rather resign Kwame, sign Aaran Gray as backup and draft a wingman (Klay Thompson, Reggie Jackson, Jordan Hamilton, Tyler Honeycutt).

Yeah, I said this from the beggining that he is much smaller than his 6'10" listing, but even i didn't think he was 6'7". Too small for me as well. Maybe with the 39th pick, but that eliminates him from the 19th pick in my mind. Watch for him to start dropping like a rock.

Rich4114 · Post #108 » by **Rich4114** » Sat May 21, 2011 3:50 pm

Sooooo, how is Biyombo compared to Okafor? He seems kind of like the same thing, and offense is where we suck. I'm also a fan of just taking BPA regardless of position but I don't think this guy will be it.

I'd love to see Kemba fall to us somehow. I remember Westbrook in the draft we took DJ in. Everyone was concerned because he was more of a combo guard. People say the same thing about Kemba right now, I'd be willing to take my chances personally - even if we needed to package picks to move up a few notches.

As for our 2nd pick, I'd rather take a risk there. #19's don't have a history of having a big impact in the league, but I just read this story on Jeremy Tyler: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... aft_051811

Apparently he was projected to be the #1 pick for this draft but he f'd up and quit highschool to play in Israel and Japan. If #19 is a long shot anyway, why not make a leap of faith on this kid? He's got an NBA body right now and he's only 18 or 19.

Post #109 » by **BigSlam** » Sat May 21, 2011 3:53 pm

doc.end wrote:Which Thompson?

Klay.

Post #110 » by **BigSlam** » Sat May 21, 2011 3:54 pm

Snidely FC wrote:Williams, Derrick 6'7.25'' 6'8.75'' 248.4 7'1.5'' 9'0''
Williams, Jordan 6'7.75'' 6'9'' 247.2 7'0.25'' 8'10.5''

Jordan Williams measured the same height at Derek Williams but Derek has a bigger wingspan and higher standing reach and people want to draft Jordan to be our Center? I think his measurements should remove Jordan Williams from our board. I'd rather resign Kwame, sign Aaran Gray as backup and draft a wingman (Klay Thompson, Reggie Jackson, Jordan Hamilton, Tyler Honeycutt).

Who wants him to be our center?

He'd be a great back up PF and change of pace to T2.

ohara · Post #111 » by **ohara** » Sat May 21, 2011 4:11 pm

DJQuick wrote:Right now my final wish list is:

9- Alec, Kawhi, Dontas

19- Klay, Hamilton, Singleton

39- Marshon, Reggie Jackson, Benson

I had Reggie at 19 until I read about his horrible shooting percentages.

I love Marshon Brooks. But to get him, you are looking at #19. He is going in the 1st round anywhere from #19-#25.

doc.end · Post #112 » by **doc.end** » Sat May 21, 2011 4:24 pm

I read the arguing on bobcatsplanet so I gonna save my time and wouldn't oppose that statement:)

SWedd523 · Post #113 » by **SWedd523** » Sat May 21, 2011 4:40 pm

Jordan Williams being under 6'8 really takes him off my board for 19. I'm back to JaJuan or Benson.

No thanks on Biyombo unless he measures at least 6'9'' barefoot. I don't care how strong he is, he's going to get shot OVER time and time again if he's too short and there's still far too many questions about his game to make him worth it for me.

I remember highlighting Klay before the season started but he seemed to not get much attention for whatever reason. The guy would go out and get you at least 20 every night. He can pull the ball up. The only questions I have about him are his athleticism so I'm waiting to see his agility marks in the combine.

#9
Kanter, Leonard, Burks

#19
Hamilton, Singleton, Klay, Tobias, Honeycutt

#39
bigs: JaJuan, Benson,
littles: Malcolm Lee, Jenkins (which a huge flyer on Goudelock if he does well at the combine)

bobcats3wallace · Post #114 » by **bobcats3wallace** » Sat May 21, 2011 4:41 pm

I would NOT want Jordan Williams as a PF. We already have Diaw, Thomas, DJ White, and Najera there. PF is the LAST position we need to draft and Jordan Williams will NOT be an effective PF in the league. He will be like a Sheldon Williams tweener. He is not athletic enough or agile enough for PF. He would get killed on defense and doesn't have the offense to make up for it.

doc.end · Post #115 » by **doc.end** » Sat May 21, 2011 4:46 pm

Swedd you realize there are things such a wingspan and reach right?

Post #116 » by **BigSlam** » Sat May 21, 2011 4:55 pm

bobcats3wallace wrote:I would NOT want Jordan Williams as a PF. We already have Diaw, Thomas, DJ White, and Najera there.

You are kidding - right? You wouldn't draft a PF because of the powerhouse PF's we already have on the roster?

Diaw is as good as gone (this season maybe, next season for sure)
Thomas will hopefully be our starter
DJW is a duplication of several other guys we already have on the roster so therefore is expendable
Najera is about a zillion years old.

You can have it your way, but personally I prefer quality over quantity.

SWedd523 · Post #117 » by **SWedd523** » Sat May 21, 2011 4:59 pm

doc.end wrote:Swedd you realize there are things such a wingspan and reach right?

lol

doc.end · Post #118 » by **doc.end** » Sat May 21, 2011 5:47 pm

Any scouting report must start with Biyombo's dimensions, which are downright freakish. He measured a 7-7 wingspan (which would rank fifth longest in our expansive database) at the Nike Hoop Summit, despite standing just 6-7 ¾ without shoes. No player of record has ever measured a wingspan that is nearly 12 inches longer than his actual height—the closest is Jason Maxiell, who is 6-5 without shoes with a 7-3 ¼ wingspan. He also sports a chiseled 243-pound frame (4.8% body fat) that he should have no problem putting additional weight onto.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Bis ... z1N0gtj52h
http://www.draftexpress.com

Yeah, laughable I know.

database - http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-dra ... All&sort=5

doc.end · Post #119 » by **doc.end** » Sat May 21, 2011 5:56 pm

To have it all together

Weight: 243 lbs.
Height (w/o shoes): 6'7.75"
Height (w/ shoes): 6'9"
Wing Span: 7'7"
Body Fat: 4.8%
Standing Reach: 9'3"

You may not like him but discarding him bacause of his measruments woíuld only make you look dumb. Dwight Howard's reach is 9' 3.5", just a half of inch more. When you are blocking jumpshots then you probably won't have problems with lack of height.

Kembastockton · Post #120 » by **Kembastockton** » Sat May 21, 2011 6:06 pm

BigSlam wrote:
bobcats3wallace wrote:I would NOT want Jordan Williams as a PF. We already have Diaw, Thomas, DJ White, and Najera there.

You are kidding - right? You wouldn't draft a PF because of the powerhouse PF's we already have on the roster?

Diaw is as good as gone (this season maybe, next season for sure)
Thomas will hopefully be our starter
DJW is a duplication of several other guys we already have on the roster so therefore is expendable
Najera is about a zillion years old.

You can have it your way, but personally I prefer quality over quantity.

You said yourself Slam. Quality over quanitity, but there are no quality fours in this draft. All of them have huge holes to their games. Tyrus and DJ have showed enough potential to take a full year or so looking at them holding down the spot. So why just add another peice that is just going mess with the pt of guys who have earned it. Chemistry problems we don't need. Why not groom a successor to Jack or give Hendo some real practice competition to up his game? Why not look for someone to give DJ some help on D. And most important we only have one true center under contract next year. Powerforward is just not a priority since there is no home run out there this year.