Lang Greene - Fixing the Hawks

[myrak433]

Sure, Blank is not 'technically' allowed to be an owner, but I'm sure his wife or son could 'own' the team. He very well could own both teams - see Stan Kroenke.

Marvin needs a change of scenery, and he likely needs to go, but the biggest issue is and still always be Joe Johnson. You cannot pay a player more than 1/3rd of the salary cap and have him produce at such a mediocre level.

some of you guys kill me with how much you talk about Joe's money. ]

Listen JJ is our best player period. if we don't have JJ we are a lottery team or at best 8 seed. is JJ Wade, Lebron, or Kobe..... no. but they are 30 teams in the NBA. name me 5 players in the league right now that are better than JJ that can play both SG and SF.... oh JJ can play PG as well.

the fact of the matter is if you add JJ to any of the 30 teams they will be better. even Miami.
Wade, JJ, Lebron, Bosh, Joel Anthony.

so yes we had to pay JJ what we did. get over it. did JJ sleep with you're girl or something.

when Kobe was having a hard time first getting into the playoffs then advancing from 2004/05- 2006/07, did they trade Kobe because he made alot of money? no, they got him what he needed. Pau Gasol. and two years later they won the whole thing.

Know I am not trying to say JJ is as good as Kobe, but who is?, but when Kobe had Medvedenko then Kwame Brown as his starting center he was getting doubled and trippled all night long. and he looked bad out there. kind of like how JJ gets double and trippled. you see when JJ isn't doubled he goes off. get JJ a Pau Gasol or someone like that. Hell Move Horford and Marvin to the Lakers for Pau.

and then see what JJ can do.

ROFL are you seriously comparing a 30 year old Joe Johnson to a 28 year old Kobe ****ing Bryant? Joe Johnson has never ONCE made All-NBA Second, and in his 11 year career he's made the ASG a mere 5 times. He is significantly closer to a Michael Finley than he is to Kobe. And are you seriously comparing Slava and Kwame and the Lakers garbage all-around to a team that has Al Horford and Josh Smith? LULZ.

Then again, this is the same guy that thinks we should pick up Michael Redd and T-Mac and start them, what with Michael Redd's 4.4 PPG and T-Mac's 8.0 PPG.

you need to learn reading comprehension. first I said that JJ isn't as good as Kobe. and JJ is 29. he won't be 30 until next month, so how much age difference is it from 28 to 29? and being a 5 time All star is a big deal. how many times did Micheal Finley make it? and just look at some guys who havn't even made it. Jamal Crawford, LaMarcus Aldridge, Andrew Bogut, Lamar Odom, Jason Terry, and Andre Iguodala just to name a few. pretty good players right?

and yes I am comparing Slava and Kwame to Horford and Josh but not on the defensive end. I am not saying that those two are have the same level of talent as Al and Josh. but as far as a low post game they are equal. even though Josh can score in the low post, he can't against Dwight or other true 7 feet defensive minded centers. and Horford simply won't go in the low post he just shoots jumpers.

and as far as Redd and T-mac I don't want them here to start them. I want them to be our second unit off the bench. even though I fill T-mac could be a starter at SG and JJ could start at SF. but I don't know who would you rather have coming off our bench D. Wilkins and Powell and maybe Armstrong or T-mac, Redd, Tayshaun Prince. Maybe I am crazy I mean Prince, Redd, and T-mac are like 31 or something like that.... wait so is Wilkins.

and talking about Redd PPG on a year that he was hurt and only played like 10 games is ludicrous go back and see his PPG the years he wasn't hurt for the whole season. and you wouldn't what that coming off your bench. have you even seen him play? dude can score on anybody from outside and going to the rim. I can't understand why we wouldn't want two more players on this team that can score 30 points..... coming off the bench. it would make it nearly impossible to double JJ. then he could earn his money. or maybe you don't JJ to be able to earn his money. because then you would look like a fool for dogging him.

[Bucked19]

I hope we trade JJ just so ya'll can see how mediocre this team will become

[azuresou1]

@ myrak: LULZ. Horford has more ASG selections than any of those guys you listed as well - and you're dogging him? When have I ever said I want our bench to be Wilkins, Powell, and Armstrong? Oh wait, I've NEVER said that; nevertheless doesn't mean I want a bunch of scrub 'veterans' on my bench either. Redd hasn't played a healthy season since 07-08; you sound like an idiot expecting him to score 30 off the bench.

I'd love for JJ to prove me wrong, but all he's done this past season is prove me absolutely right. Why do you have this love affair with average old players who are done?

@ Bucked: This team is already pretty damn mediocre as is.

[myrak433]

@ myrak: LULZ. Horford has more ASG selections than any of those guys you listed as well - and you're dogging him? When have I ever said I want our bench to be Wilkins, Powell, and Armstrong? Oh wait, I've NEVER said that; nevertheless doesn't mean I want a bunch of scrub 'veterans' on my bench either. Redd hasn't played a healthy season since 07-08; you sound like an idiot expecting him to score 30 off the bench.

I'd love for JJ to prove me wrong, but all he's done this past season is prove me absolutely right. Why do you have this love affair with average old players who are done?

@ Bucked: This team is already pretty damn mediocre as is.[/quote

Look azureso1 lets stop calling one another names. I guess I deserve that somewhat. but we are both Hawks fans. we both won't the Hawks to win. so we shouldn't be dogging each other.

we both know that the hawks are flawed. we just have different views on how to fix the problem. you think that JJ is the problem. and I feel that the problem is we don't have a guy on this team that we can throw the ball into down low that will either score or get fouled and get to the free throw line.

you feel that JJ should be better than what he is, being that he makes so much money. I agree he makes to much but he is still a really good player. the best player on this team by far and it is not even close. so I would like for us to get JJ some help and then see what he can do.

not just move him for a bag of chips.

do you remember before we got JJ how hard it was for us to attract the upper free agents? JJ was willing to come to atlanta when we were a terrible team and he made us relevant. so I feel we owe JJ some loyalty.

we finally got JJ a point guard now we need to get him a center. when we get him one then lets see what he can do. if he fails then move his azz. but we need to get him one I dont' care if we have to move Horford or Smoove. I hope we dont have to move any one of them. I am hoping we can move marvin for one. but if we can't move Horford first or Smoove 2nd. that is my opinion and you have yours.

friends?

[Bucked19]

@ myrak: LULZ. Horford has more ASG selections than any of those guys you listed as well - and you're dogging him? When have I ever said I want our bench to be Wilkins, Powell, and Armstrong? Oh wait, I've NEVER said that; nevertheless doesn't mean I want a bunch of scrub 'veterans' on my bench either. Redd hasn't played a healthy season since 07-08; you sound like an idiot expecting him to score 30 off the bench.

I'd love for JJ to prove me wrong, but all he's done this past season is prove me absolutely right. Why do you have this love affair with average old players who are done?

@ Bucked: This team is already pretty damn mediocre as is.

Well we wouldn't make the playoffs no more

[azuresou1]

@myrak: I think his contract at the time made us even when it came to what loyalty we owed him. I really don't think this team will ever win until we either get a TRUE superstar, or the stadium collapses at a Bulls-Heat game and we get picked to go to the Finals instead.

@Bucker: Sometimes you need to take a step back to move forward. I'm sure Wizards fans are happier now that they have John Wall and a true future rather than when they had Arenas/Butler/Jamison/Haywood and were constantly getting dropped in the playoffs.

[HMFFL]

The personal attacks have to stop. It's a quick way to get you warned or suspended on another board.

[HMFFL]

Well we wouldn't make the playoffs no more

A borderline playoff team is exactly it. I just have no faith in the ownership to replace Joe Johnson at the 2 with quality talent. Wesley Matthews seemed like a no brainier this past off-season and I mentioned Marcus Thornton as an option on this board (& Dallas). Other Atlanta fans on this board also wanted us to pursue Wesley Matthews.

Taking a step back would only hurt the organization even more right now. Boston is only getting older and Orlando is regressing, so we have the opportunity to possibly become the 3rd seed next season.

[nevetsov]

Any interest in Robin Lopez? He was solid in 2009-10 in a complementary role next to Amare (once given opportunity, he was putting up in the order of 15 and 7 for a stretch) but this years injury, combined with being thrust into more of a primary role led to a difficult season for him. He works best if he has a go to guy playing alongside him.

PHX could also offer you a couple of cheap rotation players which is handy if keeping under the tax is a perogative. Guys like Michael Pietrus (5m expiring) and Hakim Warrick (2 years 4m each) are examples.

You could probably land more than parts for a guy like Smoove (like draft considerations) but it's interesting to gauge your perspective.

[myrak433]

Any interest in Robin Lopez? He was solid in 2009-10 in a complementary role next to Amare (once given opportunity, he was putting up in the order of 15 and 7 for a stretch) but this years injury, combined with being thrust into more of a primary role led to a difficult season for him. He works best if he has a go to guy playing alongside him.

PHX could also offer you a couple of cheap rotation players which is handy if keeping under the tax is a perogative. Guys like Michael Pietrus (5m expiring) and Hakim Warrick (2 years 4m each) are examples.

You could probably land more than parts for a guy like Smoove (like draft considerations) but it's interesting to gauge your perspective.

yes we would have some interest in Robin Lopez. but not for Josh Smith or Al Horford. More like Marvin Williams and what ever bad contract you want to get rid of.

[D21]

Marvin needs a change of scenery, and he likely needs to go

Don't forget that if Crawford walks away, Marvin will get more offensive responsibilities, and that he was starting to play better the year before Crawford came in.
Other move like trading Josh for example, would be mainly to get a C, and not a SF. We would only sign a SF if Marvin is included in a trade.

I don't say I wouldn't trade him, just that he could be better with a higher role, and it would also increase his trade value. So it would be a win situation to give him more plays, because first we would know exactly what to hope, and then if he at least plays better, would be more easy to trade.

I just don't see the point of continue to reduce his role, which never been higher than the fourth or fifth option (nearly never seen for a 2nd pick), and complaining about the fact we can't trade him.

[Frank Lee]

Any interest in Robin Lopez? He was solid in 2009-10 in a complementary role next to Amare (once given opportunity, he was putting up in the order of 15 and 7 for a stretch) but this years injury, combined with being thrust into more of a primary role led to a difficult season for him. He works best if he has a go to guy playing alongside him.

PHX could also offer you a couple of cheap rotation players which is handy if keeping under the tax is a perogative. Guys like Michael Pietrus (5m expiring) and Hakim Warrick (2 years 4m each) are examples.

You could probably land more than parts for a guy like Smoove (like draft considerations) but it's interesting to gauge your perspective.

yes we would have some interest in Robin Lopez. but not for Josh Smith or Al Horford. More like Marvin Williams and what ever bad contract you want to get rid of.

Suppose you could rid your self of both Smith and Williams' contracts.... and receive a package of Warrick/Lopez/2011 1st and 2013 1st ? (or?) Phnx can provide you with a Vince Carter 13 million off coupon. (his 17+ mil contract can be bought out for 4) Talent wise somewhat iffy... but you'd trim about 33 million is salary obligations...(8 mil next yr) ... and snag 2 1sts.

Just trying to turn HalfMan-HalfDone into assets.


Edit: Ah, scratch it. After reading around you'd get much better offers for Smith. This only works if you are wanting to dump off Williams too... then you'd probably go for the whole cash saver and want expiring Pietrus... saving you 40+ mill. Would love to see Smith 'ooping with Nash... but not to be. Good luck dumping Joe... has there ever been a more fortunate 2nd fiddle?