Official Andre Iguodala Trade Discussion and Rumors Thread

BringBackKorver · Post #1321 » by **BringBackKorver** » Sat May 21, 2011 4:58 pm

Turner4MVP wrote:I'd do it.

We know you would...That's why you proposed it.

Holiday may not be as good as Curry, but he seems to have more upside (or at least the chance to catch up to Curry fairly quickly). Swapping them could be a possibility, but I feel with Collins love for Holiday he'd rather stick with what he's got.

Iguodala for Biedrins is where this dies. Biedrins has negative value. They'd be hard pressed to get expiring deals for him right now, let alone our best player.

F-Stop · Post #1322 » by **F-Stop** » Sat May 21, 2011 5:54 pm

Turner4MVP wrote:
Sixersftw wrote:holiday = curry
iguodala =/= Biedrins.

Curry is wayyyyyyyy better than Holiday. Not even close.

How so ???
Are you making this statement based on stats....
I know Curry can shoot but what else can he really do? I don't see his PG game as being better than Holiday's..
Defensively I know Holiday is better.. Physically I know Holiday is better.. If you were to switch there teams Holiday would probably show you more. Holiday with shooters around him and Curry with a defensive team around him. Curry would then the focal point and I don't think he thrives in that position.

All Holiday needs is actual NBA experience as well as a legitimate ex-player/teacher (Terry Porter) who has/had a similar skill-set to advance him.

76ersAreMe · Post #1323 » by **76ersAreMe** » Sat May 21, 2011 6:09 pm

I think the sixers brass are soo high on Holiday (rightfully so...), that trading him has to be for an all star caliber player....

But what do you guys think about:
Iggy\Lou\Hawes for Monta\Biedrins\Udoh

I was president of the "Don"t make Monta a sixer" party, but after seeing Evan guard Lebron in the playoff I really think he can develop into a small forward. You have to admit that the difference between the 2 and the 3 spot depends on the ability to guard larger players. Plus we have to understand that Iggy won't get us a prime big man still on his rookie contract (aka Ibaka), we will receive offers for players already on an equally large contact.
Plus a Jrue\Ellis combo has the potential to be lethal.

Jrue/Monta
Monta/Turner/Meeks
Turner/Thad/Noc
Brand/Udoh
Biedrins/Spieghts

Sixersftw · Post #1324 » by **Sixersftw** » Sat May 21, 2011 7:20 pm

Curry does one thing better than Holiday, shoot. That's it. I think they are fairly equal at this moment with holiday having more room for growth considering experience age. I won't even address the Iguodala<Biedrins point. that is just silly Iguodala hate.

76ersareme we wouldn't do that trade b/c of fit and financial reasons. we would have next to no shooting on the perimeter, defensively we would be undersized on the perimeter. all 3 players perimeter players need the ball to be at there most effective. Udoh is a pretty meh prospect. Biedrins gives you Spencer Hawes production at a much larger price.

SJSF · Post #1325 » by **SJSF** » Sat May 21, 2011 7:59 pm

Ellis for Iggy would be a nice deal for both. WE would have that scoring SG and GS would have the defender they need. I think their contracts are pretty close also.

SJSF · Post #1326 » by **SJSF** » Sat May 21, 2011 8:02 pm

Point-God wrote:
SJSF wrote: I also go to the games all the time. Usually 5-7 a year.

Let me guess, when the absolute best teams and your favorite players come to town?
So a couple years ago it would have been Spurs, Lakers, Boston, Cavs then you might come out to see Dirk, Melo, and Wade play.

You have fans that go to see the Sixers perform and the other team/players are secondary. For those people they want to see the Sixers do well and improve, not tank and gamble on getting some sort of super star with a high draft pick or "salary dump" that exists more prominently in the minds of fans than in reality.

actually i went to go and see atlanta, memphis, utah, NJ, and some other games i can't remember. I go to the Sixers not the Lakers/Kobe.

SJSF · Post #1327 » by **SJSF** » Sat May 21, 2011 8:08 pm

NinaC wrote:
Point-God wrote:
BosBorgon wrote:
So....either lower your expectations for Iggy (ie salary dump + non-lottery 1st rounder) or just accept that you won't be challenging for a title anytime soon.

I'm fine with being a 1st round exit while trying to progress by adding talent. Some people here actually pay to attend the game you know. People don't want to pay to see another 27 win season.

I think you make a big and hopefully incorrect assumption that the Sixers will be a 27 win team without Iggy. The Sixers were a 27 win team WITH Iggy...have you forgotten that? Best case scenario in the 7 years Iggy has been here...4 of which he was the go-to face-of-the franchise was this season's 41 wins and whopping .500 record. The team that you're satisfied with can't become appreciably better until Stefanski's 5-year financial team building plan expires in 2014. Why wait???

THis team with Iggy is a 40 win team. WIthout him this year they would have had 32-37 wins. No differnce at all. Actually without him this team would have gotten continously better with the improvement of Turner and Jrue. So maybe without him they would have won 40. Iggy is not a difference maker but a sidekick/role player.

Kobblehead · Post #1328 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat May 21, 2011 8:15 pm

SJSF wrote:Actually without him this team would have gotten continously better with the improvement of Turner and Jrue. So maybe without him they would have won 40. Iggy is not a difference maker but a sidekick/role player.

You've been killing it recently. Everything about this is correct.

Mr Loggins · Post #1329 » by **Mr Loggins** » Sat May 21, 2011 8:44 pm

SJSF wrote:
THis team with Iggy is a 40 win team. WIthout him this year they would have had 32-37 wins. No differnce at all. Actually without him this team would have gotten continously better with the improvement of Turner and Jrue. So maybe without him they would have won 40. Iggy is not a difference maker but a sidekick/role player.

have you ever considered that some 76er fans would rather have a continuous string of 40-45 winseason rather than build toward a championship???

Kobblehead · Post #1330 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat May 21, 2011 8:51 pm

What the hell? If that's the direction management is willing to take, I would get league pass and start following a team that wants to win.

corwin · Post #1331 » by **corwin** » Sat May 21, 2011 9:14 pm

Kobblehead wrote:What the hell? If that's the direction management is willing to take, I would get league pass and start following a team that wants to win.

If that's the direction management is willing to take, I would cancel league pass and start following hockey.

P2K · Post #1332 » by **P2K** » Sat May 21, 2011 10:33 pm

BosBorgon wrote:have you ever considered that some 76er fans would rather have a continuous string of 40-45 winseason rather than build toward a championship???

It's funny that someone finally said this becuase I've wondered if that is the mentality of a lot of posters on here and would explain plenty.

Mik317 · Post #1333 » by **Mik317** » Sat May 21, 2011 11:22 pm

BosBorgon wrote:
SJSF wrote:
THis team with Iggy is a 40 win team. WIthout him this year they would have had 32-37 wins. No differnce at all. Actually without him this team would have gotten continously better with the improvement of Turner and Jrue. So maybe without him they would have won 40. Iggy is not a difference maker but a sidekick/role player.

have you ever considered that some 76er fans would rather have a continuous string of 40-45 winseason rather than build toward a championship???

WAT

tgo2223 · Post #1334 » by **tgo2223** » Sun May 22, 2011 12:47 am

P2K wrote:
BosBorgon wrote:have you ever considered that some 76er fans would rather have a continuous string of 40-45 winseason rather than build toward a championship???

It's funny that someone finally said this becuase I've wondered if that is the mentality of a lot of posters on here and would explain plenty.

+1 What is it that these people r scared to lose iggy? Its like holding on to an ok looking girlfriend when u can potentially have a dime. Im shooting for the dime, ok looking chicks are everywhere

Mik317 · Post #1335 » by **Mik317** » Sun May 22, 2011 1:34 am

tgo2223 wrote:
P2K wrote:
BosBorgon wrote:have you ever considered that some 76er fans would rather have a continuous string of 40-45 winseason rather than build toward a championship???

It's funny that someone finally said this becuase I've wondered if that is the mentality of a lot of posters on here and would explain plenty.

+1 What is it that these people r scared to lose iggy? Its like holding on to an ok looking girlfriend when u can potentially have a dime. Im shooting for the dime, ok looking chicks are everywhere

But when the dime rejects you for the dude with the money ( and other..things) then you have to either be alone or settle for the ugly chicks because all those OK chicks are taken.

That too could happen.

My thing with Iggy is that it;s merely time to let him go not that he sucks or that he;s making us worse but rather that it merely time to move him now. If an Era goes on for too long without great success ( second round maybe..) then you have to cut your loses and move on. This doesn't mean Iggy is as shite as some of you might believe.

SJSF · Post #1336 » by **SJSF** » Sun May 22, 2011 2:16 am

BosBorgon wrote:
SJSF wrote:
THis team with Iggy is a 40 win team. WIthout him this year they would have had 32-37 wins. No differnce at all. Actually without him this team would have gotten continously better with the improvement of Turner and Jrue. So maybe without him they would have won 40. Iggy is not a difference maker but a sidekick/role player.

have you ever considered that some 76er fans would rather have a continuous string of 40-45 winseason rather than build toward a championship???

I am half tempted to put this in a poll. I mean maybe this is why so many people on this board are Iggy lovers. He is certainly a solid role player that is in the middle of the pack on a talent level. But if its fear that is making some love him. Then they need to get some therapy. Keeping him is like paying 15.00 bucks for a big mac. Yeah its pretty good. But it isn't worth 15.00 bucks.

sixerswillrule · Post #1337 » by **sixerswillrule** » Sun May 22, 2011 2:34 am

SJSF wrote:He is certainly a solid role player that is in the middle of the pack on a talent level. But if its fear that is making some love him.

He'd be middle of the pack if the worst SF in the league was Dorell Wright or Jeff Green. I believe though that there are about another 50 small forwards in the league that are worse.

P2K · Post #1338 » by **P2K** » Sun May 22, 2011 4:02 am

Knux-Future wrote:
But when the dime rejects you for the dude with the money ( and other..things) then you have to either be alone or settle for the ugly chicks because all those OK chicks are taken.

Did you ever think (doubt it) that this team isn't attractive enough to catch the Lebrons, Wade and Howards because this franchise has been the definition of mediocre since 2002?

Did you ever think that in order to break the cycle that they should have started from scratch, rebuild and tried their hand in drafting their own superstar with top 3 picks like Seattle/OKC or Chicago?

Mik317 · Post #1339 » by **Mik317** » Sun May 22, 2011 6:50 am

P2K wrote:
Knux-Future wrote:
But when the dime rejects you for the dude with the money ( and other..things) then you have to either be alone or settle for the ugly chicks because all those OK chicks are taken.

Did you ever think )(doubt it that this team isn't attractive enough to catch the Lebrons, Wade and Howards because this franchise has been the definition of mediocre since 2002?

Did you ever think that in order to break the cycle that they should have started from scratch, rebuild and tried their hand in drafting their own superstar with top 3 picks like Seattle/OKC or Chicago?

Yeah yeah they should have started from scratch back when they traded iverson and you knew this all along and blah blah blah. I'm not going down this road with you again.

The fact is that in hindsight perhaps yep they should have but it's too late now. Back then at the tome of the A.I trade Iggy was an up and coming young talent that the franchise believed could turn into something nice, he didn't and now we have to move on. **** happens. They guessed wrong and now they have to find they're way out. They'll trade Iggy and try to build with Turner and Jrue as the centerpieces and if that doesn't work then move on to the next feasible plan.

and quit with the insults, man.

Point-God · Post #1340 » by **Point-God** » Sun May 22, 2011 8:06 am

P2K wrote:
Knux-Future wrote:
But when the dime rejects you for the dude with the money ( and other..things) then you have to either be alone or settle for the ugly chicks because all those OK chicks are taken.

Did you ever think (doubt it) that this team isn't attractive enough to catch the Lebrons, Wade and Howards because this franchise has been the definition of mediocre since 2002?

Did you ever think that in order to break the cycle that they should have started from scratch, rebuild and tried their hand in drafting their own superstar with top 3 picks like Seattle/OKC or Chicago?

The Sixers drafted Evan Turner #2 overall.