Tyreke's 3rd year expectations

crazy_me_87 · Post #1 » by **crazy_me_87** » Fri May 20, 2011 2:54 pm

hi there

i think many reke and kings fans expected more of evans in his 2nd year but after a good start (even with range on his shot) the year was mostly shattered by his injury

so my question would be what do you expect from him in his 3rd year many young stars break out in the 3rd year

for my part i would be happy if he's healthy and can give the kings around

22 ppg 5-6 rpg 6.5 apg on improved Fg%

what about you?

The Beam King · Post #2 » by **The Beam King** » Fri May 20, 2011 2:59 pm

Similar #'s across the board but with improved %'s, particularly from 3.

That and an overall increase in # of wins. I think 30-35 wins should be the team's target for next season. If that happens, VERY successful season next year.

PaKwAn · Post #3 » by **PaKwAn** » Fri May 20, 2011 3:35 pm

i honestly dont expect much from reke..... hopefully he proves me wrong though............

would be nice if he improves his decision making, shooting, maturity and less one on one dribbling with little time left on the clock....

Website · Post #4 » by **Nicky Nix Nook** » Fri May 20, 2011 7:42 pm

I expect a SLIGHT drop in ppg and rpg, but a substantial increase in apg as well as better efficiency and most importantly, W's.

Post #5 » by **Wolfay** » Fri May 20, 2011 8:13 pm

I hope and expect that he realizes that he doesn't have to do everything himself and trusts his teammates more. Let Cousins and Thornton create opportunities for you and vice versa. Related to that is learning how to move without the ball, and I think we saw some evidence of that late last season. His second season was hopefully a huge learning experience for him and I expect a much better 3rd season from Tyreke.

twoolfork1 · Post #6 » by **twoolfork1** » Fri May 20, 2011 9:30 pm

Less TO's, more assists, much better decision making and high FG percentage. He doesn't need to score more he needs to score smarter and make people around him better.

SacKingZZZ · Post #7 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Fri May 20, 2011 10:27 pm

Yeah, I'd actually like to see his game switch more towards off the ball, getting easier shots, hitting that mid-range spot jumper and off the curl more efficiently in an offense where the ball is going to Cousins and Thornton more of the time where Reke is used as a major target for passes himself. I really think Reke could be a huge weapon playing off of Cousins. We saw it start to materialize later in the year, coming off of screens and cutting to the hoop. In that set there is no guard that's going to be able to stop him from getting where he wants to go, he's too big and too strong.

Teams were collapsing their entire defenses into the paint to stop him and Cousins, him cutting off the ball will just destroy teams with Cousins feeding him from the high post. Teams will not be able to stop that and if and when they switch their defense you switch and start letting Evans ram the ball in from up top. Could be a really unique combo to say the least.

With Thornton and Cousins here I think Evans would be much deadlier as an 17-18 ppg scorer at this point.

Post #8 » by **KF10** » Sat May 21, 2011 1:49 am

At this point, he needs to develop some sort of a consistent floater, stop & pop jumper @ mid/close range. This is an essential option to go to for Tyreke because most of the time the paint will be closed and utilizing this option would be needed.

Also, I want to see more pick and rolls with Tyreke. I know Westphal's system isn't that big in using PnRs but if you look at guards like Rose, Westbrook, Curry etc etc, a huge chunk of their offense comes from that. While a huge chunk of Tyreke's offense comes from isos. See the difference? I think with players like Thornton & Cousins, Tyreke doesn't need to be THAT guy to produce a lot of points for us.

I would be happy if Tyreke averages somewhere along the lines of 18-21 ppg, 4.5-5.5 rpg, 6-7 apg, 1.5-2.5 spg with good efficiency and outstanding defense.

Post #9 » by **KF10** » Sat May 21, 2011 2:02 am

BOOGIE-MONSTER wrote:That and an overall increase in # of wins. I think 30-35 wins should be the team's target for next season. If that happens, VERY successful season next year.

That would be kind of disappointing. I expect this team to get at least 35 wins next year barring injuries. This team is too good to middling around with the low-30s mark.

I think it's expected that this team SHOULD be able to break the 30-win mark next season. I feel the sense of urgency from the organization. To me, if they get under 30-wins (assuming there is no injuries and whatnot), it will be considered a disaster! Moves will be made, period.

The Kings finished the season very well, especially, with a tougher schedule! Put this into perspective, the Kings won a grand total of 17 games in the year 2010 (12 month-period). Do you know how much wins they won since the beginning of 2011 (January)? 18 wins! They won MORE games within a 3 month or so span than an entire year!

mobiuseinz · Post #10 » by **mobiuseinz** » Sat May 21, 2011 4:19 pm

Tyreke Season 3:

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23ppg 4rpg 7apg 1bpg 2spg 45%FG and 30%3PT 82%FT

- With the addition of Thornton, Tyreke should have an easier time penetrating, or else he can dish it out to the shooters (Beno, Thornton, Donte, Casspi). Also with Cousins' ability to hit the mid range shot, Tyreke will should be looking to set up the other guys more.

I expect us to carry the momentum from last season's end into the new season... we could win somewhere around 40 games... if we draft someone like Kwhali Leonard, we could have a great athletic perimeter defender... or if a guard like Walker drops to us... he could be our 6th man to score some extra points... and eventually start alongside Evans and Thornton.

OGSactownballer · Post #11 » by **OGSactownballer** » Sun May 22, 2011 5:15 am

crazy_me_87 wrote:hi there

i think many reke and kings fans expected more of evans in his 2nd year but after a good start (even with range on his shot) the year was mostly shattered by his injury

so my question would be what do you expect from him in his 3rd year many young stars break out in the 3rd year

for my part i would be happy if he's healthy and can give the kings around

22 ppg 5-6 rpg 6.5 apg on improved Fg%

what about you?

If he would put up (healthy) Brandon Roy numbers, this team can very quickly move into the nearly unstoppable range. That is pretty much what those numbers equate to.

With that said, I don't want my expectations to get too high right now and I would llike to see how he does at full health with some threats around him.

SacKingZZZ · Post #12 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sun May 22, 2011 7:12 am

KF10 wrote:At this point, he needs to develop some sort of a consistent floater, stop & pop jumper @ mid/close range. This is an essential option to go to for Tyreke because most of the time the paint will be closed and utilizing this option would be needed.

Also, I want to see more pick and rolls with Tyreke. I know Westphal's system isn't that big in using PnRs but if you look at guards like Rose, Westbrook, Curry etc etc, a huge chunk of their offense comes from that. While a huge chunk of Tyreke's offense comes from isos. See the difference? I think with players like Thornton & Cousins, Tyreke doesn't need to be THAT guy to produce a lot of points for us.

I would be happy if Tyreke averages somewhere along the lines of 18-21 ppg, 4.5-5.5 rpg, 6-7 apg, 1.5-2.5 spg with good efficiency and outstanding defense.

None of them have a Demarcus Cousins though. I think the pick and roll could be at least run some however. It took the team until the last month or two before they even completed a simple pick and roll, that's how far they came in the span of a year. I think Beno was the first to actually complete one to either JT or Daly. :lol:

This team couldn't complete the most simple play in basketball and some wondered why the were losing in 5 game spurts on average. :oops:

Post #13 » by **KF10** » Sun May 22, 2011 8:32 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:None of them have a Demarcus Cousins though. I think the pick and roll could be at least run some however. It took the team until the last month or two before they even completed a simple pick and roll, that's how far they came in the span of a year. I think Beno was the first to actually complete one to either JT or Daly. This team couldn't complete the most simple play in basketball and some wondered why the were losing in 5 game spurts on average.

It wasn't THAT bad :lol:

It's more of how bad Westphal's schemes were on both ends of the floor . They didn't know what the hell was going on most of the times! It was like, we pass, pass, pass, and PASS which results in a TO. And others, pass and shoot immediately: CLANK!. Or iso.

Bottom line, the team did not have any coherency most of the year. The only semblance of an offense is when the Kings ran the offense through Cousins, the time when the Kings traded for Thornton and when Tyreke felt it was "PG day" today. That's it. Maybe in a lucky instance, the team looked fine on offense and everything went smoothly after that.

Bac2Basics · Post #14 » by **Bac2Basics** » Tue May 24, 2011 2:23 am

What I'd like to see and I think it's realistic....

18.7 PPG
7.6 APG
4.2 RPG
1.4 Steals/gm
0.6 Blocks/gm
.452 FG%
.791 FT%
.327 3pt%
74+ Games Played

OGSactownballer · Post #15 » by **OGSactownballer** » Tue May 24, 2011 1:49 pm

You are all looking for too many APG if you are hoping for more than about 6-6.5 MAX for his best year.

We need to accept at this point that Tyreke is NOT Rose but rather a basketball player and not a true PG. He will get his assist numbers by the attention he attracts, not by being a traditional floor general. This is exactly why ultimately Beno becomes redundant and Thornton and a potential true point become the best backcourt partners for him so that the game can flex between traditional halfcourt where you allow Boogie and the other bigs to establish to a running open floor game where the wings and guards can flourish.

Post #16 » by **KF10** » Wed May 25, 2011 1:28 am

OGSactownballer wrote:You are all looking for too many APG if you are hoping for more than about 6-6.5 MAX for his best year.

We need to accept at this point that Tyreke is NOT Rose but rather a basketball player and not a true PG. He will get his assist numbers by the attention he attracts, not by being a traditional floor general. This is exactly why ultimately Beno becomes redundant and Thornton and a potential true point become the best backcourt partners for him so that the game can flex between traditional halfcourt where you allow Boogie and the other bigs to establish to a running open floor game where the wings and guards can flourish.

To be fair, last year when Evans was fully healthy, he averaged near or at 7 assist per game in the second half of the season. And if you take a look at February & March respectively, he averaged 7.0 & 7.5 assists per game. The thing was, he had better options! The trade of Landry (remember how Landry was our automatic 2nd best player on the team when he got traded to the Kings?) and the return of Garcia (he became our most consistent 3PT shooter: 39%). Just by adding those two into the mix, Evans assists #s jumped from middle-5s to 7+!

I mean, Tyreke averaged 6.0 assists per game when he returned for the last remaining games of the season. And I believe 09-10 Kings team << 10-11 Kings team. I think by default, you can see Evans assist numbers jump quite a bit next year.

That's why I said 6-7 assist per game. I don't think he will get anything over 7.5 or anything like that but anything above 6 would be very, very good though.

kevin44 · Post #17 » by **kevin44** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:18 pm

I wouldn't expect too much. With the foot injury he has he will need more rest less practice/playing time. Also they need to decide if he going to be a shooter or passer. He is trying to do both & that's not going to work. The team would be better off if he could be a shooter, but then they have to fine a real pg to run the team.

jcwkings · Post #18 » by **jcwkings** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:34 pm

24 ppg, 7 apg, 6 rpg

RoyalCourtJestr · Post #19 » by **RoyalCourtJestr** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:32 pm

kevin44 wrote:I wouldn't expect too much. With the foot injury he has he will need more rest less practice/playing time. Also they need to decide if he going to be a shooter or passer. He is trying to do both & that's not going to work. The team would be better off if he could be a shooter, but then they have to fine a real pg to run the team.

I hate this logic. Not all teams need a 10 APG PG to be successful. Remember our old Kings? Bibby never avergaged more than 5.5 assists with us, and we were just fine!

Tyreke isn't a pure point, but he has shown he can run the floor fine. We just need A. a consistant offensive plan, B. Tyreke to continue to grow in trusting his teammates and looking to pass more often than he crashes into triple teams, and C. to dispell this WE NEED A PURE POINT once and for all.

Plus, Tyreke's foot was fine at the end of the year. Why would it be bothering him next year?...

I expect 23 PPG, 7.5 APG, 5 RPG, 1.5 SPG on 47% shooting and 30% 3PS.

Sacramento_King · Post #20 » by **Sacramento_King** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:38 pm

24 PPG 6 RPG 7 APG. I am hoping he becomes both a better shooter and a better off the ball player. With DMC's passing ability, he could get a lot of easy looks if he moved better off the ball. Also, hope he trusts his team more and doesn't try and do it all. That would translate in better growth for the rest of the team and more wins. I think he will do it.