2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread (Lottery Tonight!)

kingofk1ngs · Post #1301 » by **kingofk1ngs** » Sun May 22, 2011 5:22 pm

I don't understand why people don't think D'Antoni would play someone like Singleton when Jeffries got plenty of playing time and he's one of the worst shooters I've ever seen.

Post #1302 » by **moocow007** » Sun May 22, 2011 5:27 pm

kingofk1ngs wrote:I don't understand why people don't think D'Antoni would play someone like Singleton when Jeffries got plenty of playing time and he's one of the worst shooters I've ever seen.

D'Antoni had no choice but to play Jeffries (i.e. no real center option that was really better offensively...see Ronny Turiaf and Shelden Williams). Singleton is a SF...a position the Knicks are thickest at with Carmelo, Fields, Bill Walker and (if D'Antoni has his way and in all likelihood) Shawne Williams (resigned as a FA). Singleton would have to really really wow to get much of a shot to play on the team.

camillepd · Post #1303 » by **camillepd** » Sun May 22, 2011 5:36 pm

My pick at 17 is Josh Shelby. We need a PG and if Chauncey says the kid ccould be our PG for the future then that's good enough for me. Josh Shelby has the skills and talent to be our Derrick Rose. He has top 3 talent in this draft but because of the unproductive year at school, he will fall to us. We have to take him.

Post #1304 » by **moocow007** » Sun May 22, 2011 5:43 pm

camillepd wrote:My pick at 17 is Josh Shelby. We need a PG and if Chauncey says the kid ccould be our PG for the future then that's good enough for me. Josh Shelby has the skills and talent to be our Derrick Rose. He has top 3 talent in this draft but because of the unproductive year at school, he will fall to us. We have to take him.

Selby might not be a bad choice but way too many people seems to be pegging him more as a combo guard and, in some cases, even a short SG (Selby was grouped with the other SG's in the Draft Combine even though most of the guys that were in the PG group were combo guards as well).

Opinion on Selby (among the group of 5 guys...Chad Ford, Len Elmore, Tom Penn, Fran Fraschilla and the other guy) was split (on whether he will be able to play point in the NBA).

Also I think if the take Selby it would be with the intention of dealing Douglas (Selby, at the end of the day, is more of a scoring PG). So if Walsh doesn't plan on dealing Douglas and if they really are looking at Billups beyond just next season, drafting a PG (or PG like player) might not make sense.

At which point their biggest positional needs becomes C (which we all know about) and SG (Fields is more of a SF and he struggles terribly creating his own shot). At that point Vucevic and Marshon Brooks probably make the most sense. Vucevic has offensive skills that seem to work in D'Antoni's system and Brooks would pair nicely with Fields at SG in a defensive/offensive scenario.

Post #1305 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Sun May 22, 2011 6:13 pm

I have my doubts if Selby will be able to play pg. I picture him to be in the same role as TD as a combo guard off the bench. I don't think he really fits in with us.

But he may have the most potential at our spot so thats a reason t draft him....

It seems like everyone from 13 to 35 is pretty similar. I actually don't see too many realy quality starters in this draft. But a lot of guys who could def help us off the bench.

Hopefully we can get another pick. Would be nice to pick up someone like Vucevic or Jeremy Tyler. I have a feeling we will be targeting Vucevic even with our pick. He seems like he fits exactly what we are looking for.

Marty McFly · Post #1306 » by **Marty McFly** » Sun May 22, 2011 6:24 pm

i think selby can be amazing value at 17, but its the fit that's the problem. long term, with the possibility of deron or paul in our sights, its gonna be a problem. we all know mike has no problem playing two "point guards" at the same time, but we don't know if mike will be here after next season.

one of the reasons why i want a playmaking sg (like alec, like klay, or marshon to a lesser extent) is because of the possibly of phil jackson as well.

SonOfMars · Post #1307 » by **SonOfMars** » Sun May 22, 2011 7:02 pm

I dont like Selby at 17, feel like 3-picks out of the lottery, we can get better value...

Would any be against trade our 17th pick for the Bulls 28th and 30th picks? They'll probably be trying to trade up for their ideal SG [Brooks?] and then with 28 and 30 we could maybe get any combination of Selby, Vucevic, JTyler, MLee, GSmith, CJoseph, KBenson?

Pharmcat · Post #1308 » by **Pharmcat** » Sun May 22, 2011 7:22 pm

forget bout the SG...just give mle to JR smith

focus on a PG or C

Post #1309 » by **moocow007** » Sun May 22, 2011 7:23 pm

Mac1Money wrote:I dont like Selby at 17, feel like 3-picks out of the lottery, we can get better value...

Would any be against trade our 17th pick for the Bulls 28th and 30th picks? They'll probably be trying to trade up for their ideal SG [Brooks?] and then with 28 and 30 we could maybe get any combination of Selby, Vucevic, JTyler, MLee, GSmith, CJoseph, KBenson?

Selby and Vucevic would be nice...dont really think much of the rest of those guys, but the Jnicks can probably just buy one of those Bulls picks and keep 17. With Vucevic measuring in at basically at 7 feet in a center starven draft I seriously doubt hed drop to 28. Selby was the no.1 ranked guy coming out of HS (ahead of Irving, Jones, Knight, etc.). Someone will likely take him in the 1st by the early 20's. The rest of those arent worth dropping for.

Pharmcat · Post #1310 » by **Pharmcat** » Sun May 22, 2011 7:23 pm

and i think im already on record saying that selby will be the pick as of right IMO

Post #1311 » by **mrpoetryNmotion** » Sun May 22, 2011 7:25 pm

My fear with Vucevic is that he turns out to have the same type of career like Byron Mullens thus far...anyone else know what I'm talking about?

ezmoney707 · Post #1312 » by **ezmoney707** » Sun May 22, 2011 7:31 pm

mrpoetryNmotion wrote:My fear with Vucevic is that he turns out to have the same type of career like Byron Mullens thus far...anyone else know what I'm talking about?

Bryon Mullens never had any type of production at OSU. He should never came out the year he did. So to compare the two is off base.

Post #1313 » by **mrpoetryNmotion** » Sun May 22, 2011 7:41 pm

ezmoney707 wrote:
mrpoetryNmotion wrote:My fear with Vucevic is that he turns out to have the same type of career like Byron Mullens thus far...anyone else know what I'm talking about?

Bryon Mullens never had any type of production at OSU. He should never came out the year he did. So to compare the two is off base.

I'm not comparing the players, but the type of career Vucevic could possibly have. Would you have preferred I said Cole Aldrich instead, since he did produce?

I'm just saying, although he has size and skill, I wouldn't be surprised to see him as one of those end of the rotation big men that get little to no playing time for whatever reason. It's just a feeling that I have and I don't know why...

SonOfMars · Post #1314 » by **SonOfMars** » Sun May 22, 2011 7:44 pm

I dont see why'd we take Selby, but he'd be doing the same thing that Douglas is doing for us now..

We need to go pure PG[Morris], legit wing[Brooks, Honeycutt] or Straight Big Man[Tyler, Vujevic,Faried]

ezmoney707 · Post #1315 » by **ezmoney707** » Sun May 22, 2011 7:48 pm

mrpoetryNmotion wrote:
ezmoney707 wrote:
mrpoetryNmotion wrote:My fear with Vucevic is that he turns out to have the same type of career like Byron Mullens thus far...anyone else know what I'm talking about?

Bryon Mullens never had any type of production at OSU. He should never came out the year he did. So to compare the two is off base.

I'm not comparing the players, but the type of career Vucevic could possibly have. Would you have preferred I said Cole Aldrich instead, since he did produce?

I'm just saying, although he has size and skill, I wouldn't be surprised to see him as one of those end of the rotation big men that get little to no playing time for whatever reason. It's just a feeling that I have and I don't know why...

It's all about fit and coaching. If you put Vucevic on a team where he can play then i think his talent will speak for it self. I really think the Thunders organization has a hard time developing big men. Other than Ibaka, how many project big men have they drafted since the Sonic days and for them to not pan out. Even Nick Collison in my humble opinion should be much better than he is today.

ibraheim718 · Post #1316 » by **ibraheim718** » Sun May 22, 2011 7:51 pm

HEy moo... Did Harper look like he's gotten bigger up top? I think he's my target now after seeing him at the combine. We need to start looking for someone to spell Amar'e. And if he projects in the early second round and Fredette falls... we could take Fredette at 17 and buy a pick for Harper in the early second round and come away with a kings ransom.

taj2133 · Post #1317 » by **taj2133** » Sun May 22, 2011 7:57 pm

Jimmer going to the jazz most likely or to the suns we have 3 percent chance picking him i want us to pick either tyler honeycutt or the big guy from usc or jermey tyler.

ibraheim718 · Post #1318 » by **ibraheim718** » Sun May 22, 2011 8:01 pm

taj2133 wrote:Jimmer going to the jazz most likely or to the suns we have 3 percent chance picking him i want us to pick either tyler honeycutt or the big guy from usc or jermey tyler.

Bro... I'm 5'11 and 180 and Honeycutt is 6'8 and 188 his body will get worn down at the NBA level. Tyler is a second rounder and vucecic is still a bit of a question mark for me to take him at 17. If fredette is gone you move on to Klay.

Post #1319 » by **mrpoetryNmotion** » Sun May 22, 2011 8:03 pm

ezmoney707 wrote:It's all about fit and coaching. If you put Vucevic on a team where he can play then i think his talent will speak for it self. I really think the Thunders organization has a hard time developing big men. Other than Ibaka, how many project big men have they drafted since the Sonic days and for them to not pan out. Even Nick Collison in my humble opinion should be much better than he is today.

Yea, that is true and the the Thunder aren't the best at developing big men...but I don't think we are either, to be honest...but I wouldn't be against taking Vucevic. We do need more big bodies and if he can help, the more the merrier.

SonOfMars · Post #1320 » by **SonOfMars** » Sun May 22, 2011 8:13 pm

What makes Tyler a second rounder? He was #1 in his class, until he decided to go to Europe...now im sure he didnt get the chance to develop like his fellow 'class-mates' but you dont have anything to base him off of..last time people seen Tyler compete in legit game time was his junior year of high school..

Hes got NBA size, and pretty athletic for his size...17 might be high, but I wouldnt be against taking Tyler if we acquired a pick in the 20s

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