Official Andre Iguodala Trade Discussion and Rumors Thread

[sixerswillrule]

Honestly, and no offense, but you still seem buthurt over the comment he made about Iguodala not being a top 6 forward.

All he is saying is that we shouldn't overpay to retain replaceable players. Regardless of how he feels about Jrue or Turner, that concept itself is right.

First of all, I think many people don't see the reality of how much everyone around the league is paid and call too many players overpaid. How can 80% of the league be overpaid? Makes no sense. The very definition of overpaid is how someone is paid relative to how everyone else is paid in reality, not how they are ideally paid in some fantasy world.
It's gonna cost you to keep players. You can't just keep throwing them away because you can't get them for a bargain and because they're not superstars. All evidence points to the same thing happening with Jrue and Turner later on.

[Bring Back 1983]

I think the reality now is, unless the labor situation freezes everything like it has for the NFL, Iguodala WILL be traded. I almost feel like the Sixers knew this was coming the day they drafted Evan Turner as well, because even before the draft, people questioned whether they would be a good fit for each other.

That said, do you try to move him for a scorer (as Kate Fagan suggests) or for rebounding/defensive big man? If we are honest, his value is not high enough to get both in the same trade. Which is why, unless an Andrew Bynum trade is a realistic possibility, I really like to the prospect of a Monta Ellis or Danny Granger (but not a Kevin Martin), since it completely changes our offense the last 3 minutes of a game.

BTW, I think Iggy will really flourish on another team playing with a true No. 1 scoring option. For his sake, I think Sacramento is a great place for him where he could help stabilize a line-up with two insanely talented offensive players. Unfortunately, they have nothing to offer that I would find of interest (I've kind of soured on the idea of a Casspi plus No. 7 for Iguodala idea).

[Kobblehead]

I would move him for rebounding/defensive bigman. These days, being a number 1 scorer goes hand in hand with dominating the ball. So a team that's building around a backcourt can't really add a scorer unless he can somehow give you 20 a night playing off the ball. So unless it's Granger or Deng, give me a rebounding big.

[Negrodamus]

"try to fix it". Ha, you think Philly fans are forgiving if you "try to fix it"? If they get rid of Iguodala and start sucking hardcore, the Thorn will never hear the end of it.

Why would they suck? With so many sold on Jrue and Turner being future superstars (based on God knows what), losing a role player like Iguodala shouldn't hurt at all, right?

I'm assuming you're being sarcastic, but if Iguodala isn't here, this team doesn't make the playoffs.

I don't know what the trade will be (if there even is one), but I can't see it improving our team in the near future.

But we are moving away from my four points as to why someone would want to retain Iguodala.

I guarantee that if we get rid of Iguodala and we are horrible for the next two years, all the Iguodala haters will be calling for Thorn's head because he didn't keep him. Either that or they will complain that Thorn didn't make a trade that was never on the table ("I can't believe Thorn got Kaman when he could have easily gotten Granger/Gay/player that Iguodala couldn't get us, what an idiot).

[Kobblehead]

So now trading Iguodala has become a cautionary tale? Be careful what you wish for? LOL.

That's where the disconnect with the pro-Iguodala people and the pro-trade people lies.

The pro-Iguodala people are under the impression that the people wanting a trade are somehow naive or unaware of the growing pains the team will go through without him. That's not the case, I'm pretty sure we all realize how much Iguodala means to this team. So please stop talking down on the people calling for a trade like you have a better perspective on the bigger picture or something.

If anything, the people calling for a trade are the ones thinking big picture and not being content with mediocrity. Why live in a nest all your life instead of trying to fly? Alot of indecisive bird mindstates in this thread.

[Negrodamus]

So now trading Iguodala has become a cautionary tale? Be careful what you wish for? LOL.

That's where the disconnect with the pro-Iguodala people and the pro-trade people lies.

The pro-Iguodala people are under the impression that the people wanting a trade are somehow naive or unaware of the growing pains the team will go through without him. That's not the case, I'm pretty sure we all realize how much Iguodala means to this team.

I'm not saying its a cautionary tale, I'm stating that Sixer fans want instant gratification and will bitch and moan, with an abundance of "I told you so's", until the Sixers are relevant again.

And I'm not so sure everyone knows how much Iguodala means to the team if he is being called a "role player" when he has been much more than that for this team. Like I said, I want Iggy traded for his career and our teams future... but I am also going to be patient with this team. I'm praying we make a good trade and not some salary dump or unproven talent.

[Mik317]

But when the dime rejects you for the dude with the money ( and other..things) then you have to either be alone or settle for the ugly chicks because all those OK chicks are taken.

Did you ever think (doubt it) that this team isn't attractive enough to catch the Lebrons, Wade and Howards because this franchise has been the definition of mediocre since 2002?

Did you ever think that in order to break the cycle that they should have started from scratch, rebuild and tried their hand in drafting their own superstar with top 3 picks like Seattle/OKC or Chicago?

That is an insult. Also quit putting words into my mouth. I don't want this team to languish in mediocrity, no one really should however...unlike you I think that with Jrue and To an extent Turner they are headed in the right direction. That's not being okay with mediocrity that's looking ahead and seeing a potential light at the end of the tunnel. If it turns out to be an incoming train then and only then we will know.

You also constantly say they should have done this or that without any backing or evidence. You said they should blow it up..okay...then what? Tank for who?

The fact is that they **** up with the Iggy signed ( who at the time was a promising young prospect...whether you with you ability to see into the future thought so or not) and Brand (who I didn't want at the time...I wanted Josh Smith) and now they have to get their way out. They can do this by trading Iggy for young talent and waiting Brands contract out. By then Jrue or Turner should either be coming into their own or they can be moved for someone big due to them still having potential (well..Jrue anyway). Then we would have this cap space to hopefully go after someone of note or Turner/Jrue could be that guy by then. You never know. It's not all gloom and doom as you might think it is..they can get out of it. Will they thats another question.

There no more from...stop with the snide comments/agree to disagree and let's move on and drop it before it goes somewhere it doesn't need to go.

[KrazySixersD]

p2k doesnt know how to present facts or reasons behind his thinking or to support his view... he just knows how to put words in peoples mouth, generalize, and put people down

[Sizzlehot]

Heard a rumor on the t &t board.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1114543

A trade involving Iguodala for Utahs third pick.

[Kobblehead]

Inb4 someone says we should take Bismack at #3.

[P2K]

P2K's plan is to not re-sign anyone, ever, until we get a superstar. Then we can re-sign him. Iguodala should've been let go, Young should be let go now, Holiday should be let go in 2 years, and Turner should be let go in 3 years. The roster should just be made up of rookie contracts and minimum salary veterans, and when the rookie contracts expire they should be tossed aside like chopped liver. Lather, rinse, repeat.

No, my plan leads to young drafted players not even having to go through being resigned. They would be traded (along with pick(s) )for either high picks or for a potential star/superstar ala the Nets with DWill. Not do what this FO has done, which is to just hold onto these players and clog up cap space.

Big, giant difference from what you said, of course.

[Kobblehead]

P2K, don't you know that Thad Young's trade value goes up significantly once we sign him to a 9 mill per year deal?

lol

[sixerswillrule]

P2K's plan is to not re-sign anyone, ever, until we get a superstar. Then we can re-sign him. Iguodala should've been let go, Young should be let go now, Holiday should be let go in 2 years, and Turner should be let go in 3 years. The roster should just be made up of rookie contracts and minimum salary veterans, and when the rookie contracts expire they should be tossed aside like chopped liver. Lather, rinse, repeat.

No, my plan leads to young drafted players not even having to go through being resigned. They would be traded (along with pick(s) )for either high picks or for a potential star/superstar ala the Nets with DWill. Not do what this FO has done, which is to just hold onto these players and clog up cap space.

Big, giant difference from what you said, of course.

So who are we getting for Holiday and Turner?

[P2K]

Don't forget that in the process the GMs and coaches should be fired every other season because they couldn't get a superstar and/or coach a winning team, even though they stuck to the plan of certain fans of not committing to any players that aren't top 20 in the NBA while still playing under their rookie contract. The Trailblazers were the perfect franchise model until injuries and unfulfilled promise took hold. Now OKC is the perfect franchise model, although Westbrook is taking heat from these same fans for not being perfect. I wonder how those fans will feel about Westbrook come extension time. You know he will ask for the max. CUT HIM! HE'S A BUM!

The Trailblazers did what the Sixers did, which was hold onto players that should;ve been traded for for talented pieces. Only difference is the Blazers' talent stomps a mudhole into the talent the Sixers have. And one of their players actually became a star player, who just happened to be the 2nd pick in the draft (oh really?).

And what's wrong with OKC and Westbrook? Has he deserved some heat for his play in the postseason? Sure. He's had a few boneheaded plays. But he'll learn. And he's already a bonafide All Star with potential to be even better. Obviously, you exaggerate calling him a bum so you can be a smart***.

[P2K]

Honestly, and no offense, but you still seem buthurt over the comment he made about Iguodala not being a top 6 forward.

All he is saying is that we shouldn't overpay to retain replaceable players. Regardless of how he feels about Jrue or Turner, that concept itself is right.

Of course he's still hurt over it I've been on his [bleep]-list since then. But I'm alright. And you are correct on what I said. It's best to be under the cap and keep positioning the team to be in good standing in order to be able to pull off something great in a trade or FA.

[P2K]

I'm assuming you're being sarcastic, but if Iguodala isn't here, this team doesn't make the playoffs.

Big, friggin' whoop. I'm slicing my wrists

[P2K]

P2K, don't you know that Thad Young's trade value goes up significantly once we sign him to a 9 mill per year deal?

lol

You forgot, though. Thad is going to become a starter after Brand's deal goes and he will be a 20 ppg scorer instantly!

You know why?

BECAUSE HE'S STILL YOUNG!!!

[P2K]

p2k doesnt know how to present facts or reasons behind his thinking or to support his view... he just knows how to put words in peoples mouth, generalize, and put people down

Another one that's hurt on the backside. Because I didn't agree that Jrue is better than Wade, Paul and Oscar Robertson combined.

[Negrodamus]

I'm assuming you're being sarcastic, but if Iguodala isn't here, this team doesn't make the playoffs.

Big, friggin' whoop. I'm slicing my wrists

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that no role player carries a team to the playoffs. You are undervaluing Iguodala's ability.

[Kobblehead]

Now Iguodala is carrying teams to the playoffs?

What the...I duneven...