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2011 NBA Draft Thread II (New Poll & Mock Draft Results)

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New POST Draft Combine Poll - Who Should the Knicks Take a 17?

Klay Thompson
19
14%
Josh Selby
22
16%
Jimmer Fredette
35
26%
Kenneth Faried
12
9%
Reggie Jackson
7
5%
Nikola Vucevic
6
4%
Marshon Brooks
16
12%
Darius Morris
13
10%
Someone Else (not listed)
3
2%
Jeremy Tyler
2
1%
 
Total votes: 135

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Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread II (New Poll) 

Post#21 » by Falstaffxx » Tue May 24, 2011 2:13 am

TrueWarrior wrote:Interesting to see on DX's new Mock:

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2011/

Rising:

Kawhi Leonard
Marcus Morris
Markieff Morris
Jordan Hamilton
Klay Thompson
Darius Morris
Nikola Vucevic
Charles Jenkins
Kyle Singler
Marshon Brooks
Malcolm Lee
Jeremy Tyler
Norris Cole

Falling:

Bismack Biyombo
Donata Montiejunas
Lucas Nogueira
Tyler Honeycutt
Davis Bertans
Josh Selby
Nolan Smith
Justin Harper
Trey Thompkins

Remember they're taking Team Needs into account now. Have us taking Faried.


I notice that right now they're predicting that Fredette, Vucevic, and Brooks will all still be on the board when we pick. I think if Fredette is still available at 17 he will be the pick - but I don't think he'll be available for us.

I voted Vucevic this time around. Sounds pretty good and it would be cool to get a big, skilled center. My backups, based on what I've read, would be Fredette, Klay Thompson, and Marshon Brooks.
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Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread II (New Poll) 

Post#22 » by Marty McFly » Tue May 24, 2011 2:13 am

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Manhattan Project wrote:Hey watch it, I like me some Jenkins...


Jenkins may not be the most talented guy or the guy with the most upside but he can ball. A smart player, a nice potential leader, very strong, doesn't turn the ball over, can do a bit of everything.


also, if there's ever a brawl with this team, he'd put alot of dudes to sleep with those arms.
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Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread II (New Poll) 

Post#23 » by Marty McFly » Tue May 24, 2011 2:15 am

i think lucas is the sorta kid you pick after you buy a another pick and keep him overseas for a couple of years. he could be a nice surprise down the line.
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Post#24 » by koogiking » Tue May 24, 2011 2:16 am

Darius Morris would be a great player to come off the bench with douglas.

Morris will play point guard, Douglas will play shooting guard. And on defense, since Morris is 6 feet 5, he can guard the opposing shooting guard decently. He will solve all of our back up point guard problems.
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Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread II (New Poll) 

Post#25 » by TrueWarrior » Tue May 24, 2011 2:17 am

REVOLVER wrote:i think lucas is the sorta kid you pick after you buy a another pick and keep him overseas for a couple of years. he could be a nice surprise down the line.


Yup. Thats exactly what I hope happens. If there is anybody to buy another pick for its Lucas. Cant see us picking him at #17 if thats our only pick because we need immediate help obviously, but Lucas could be a total game changer and X factor in a championship in 2-3 years. Basically be our Bynum/Ibaka/Tyson if all goes really well.
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Post#26 » by Marty McFly » Tue May 24, 2011 2:18 am

I'mana go with Brooks. i think Fredette and Klay will be gone. i think Brooks will be the pick.
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Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread II (New Poll) 

Post#27 » by Marty McFly » Tue May 24, 2011 2:18 am

TrueWarrior wrote:
REVOLVER wrote:i think lucas is the sorta kid you pick after you buy a another pick and keep him overseas for a couple of years. he could be a nice surprise down the line.


Yup. Thats exactly what I hope happens. If there is anybody to buy another pick for its Lucas. Cant see us picking him at #17 if thats our only pick because we need immediate help obviously, but Lucas could be a total game changer and X factor in a championship in 2-3 years. Basically be our Bynum/Ibaka/Tyson if all goes really well.

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Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread II (New Poll) 

Post#28 » by can o peas » Tue May 24, 2011 2:19 am

and after saying Jerkin's the only guy I don't want in the poll, he'll probably wind up being our pick :lol:

anyway, this is pretty old (from friday I think) but not sure if it was already posted:

By Chris Sheridan
When your No. 1 point guard is ready to undergo a second MRI to determine exactly why his knee isn't healing quickly, and when your No. 2 point guard is coming off major surgery for a torn labrum, you start to wonder about your depth at that position.

And given that Chauncey Billups is entering the final year of his contract, and that Toney Douglas proved in the playoffs that he is not yet ready to be a prime-time player, it gets you thinking about whether the New York Knicks will look to strengthen that position when they select at No. 17 in next month's NBA draft.

Much will depend on whether any of the centers on the Knicks' draft board drop to No. 17, as several key members of the team have said a defensive presence in the middle to lighten the workload for Amare Stoudemire should be the No. 1 offseason priority.

But if all the big guys the Knicks like are gone, the smart money says you go the "best available player" route and fill a need -- of which the Knicks have many.

We'll be looking at the draft position by position in this blog over the next month as the draft approaches, beginning today with the point guard spot.

Kyrie Irving of Duke, Brandon Knight of Kentucky and Kemba Walker of UConn should be long gone by the time New York picks, so here are five point guards who have a decent or better-than-decent shot at being available to the Knicks on draft night:

• Josh Selby, Kansas. My ESPN colleague Chad Ford was especially impressed by Selby at pre-draft workouts in Las Vegas and has Donnie Walsh selecting this freshman in his latest Mock Draft (Insider), believing coach Mike D'Antoni's wide-open style would suit Selby's athletic skill set better than the Jayhawks' system, in which Selby often brought the ball upcourt, fed it to the Morris twins and then spotted up. Selby, a Baltimore native, shot only 37 percent from the field and averaged 7.9 points and 2.2 assists in just over 20 minutes per game. He missed nine games due to a suspension and three with an ankle injury, and he is viewed more as a combo guard than a pure point. "Sometimes you just have to decide what is best for your career," Selby told Ford. "I loved the guys at Kansas. I loved that for the first time in my life, I really had some stability, a roof over my head, steady meals and a support system. But I felt like my game may be better-suited at the NBA. I know it's a risk, but my whole life has been about taking risks."

• Jimmer Fredette, BYU. Again here we have a player who is more of a combo guard than a pure point, but don't doubt for a second that the Knicks would scoop up this scoring machine if he is still on the board at No. 17 -- something I see as unlikely. Scouts tend to have a love-him/hate-him mentality when assessing Fredette's NBA prospects, some saying he is too slow to defend opposing backcourt players, others saying his shooting range and his scorer's mentality make him a can't miss prospect. And since the Knicks are a team that values a player's ability to hit the 3-point shot above all else, he would seem to be a candidate to fill the offensive hole they had at the 2-guard spot last season with Landry Fields starting all but one game. Remember how the Knicks said they would have to find replacements for the assets they gave up in the Carmelo Anthony trade, namely shooting and size? The Jimmer replaces the missing shooting.

• Reggie Jackson, Boston College. If he turns into an NBA stud, maybe they'll name a candy bar after him. Wouldn't be the first time. The most intriguing thing about the 6-foot-3 Jackson is his 7-foot wingspan, but his on-court resume includes an improvment in 3-point shooting from 29 percent to 42 percent last season when he led Boston College in scoring and assists. I can't see the Knicks taking him if Fredette is still on the board, but I like him better than Selby. Knicks scouts will be watching closely to see how he shoots the ball at pre-draft camp in Chicago this week, because there are questions out there over whether his improved 3-point shooting was a fluke or a sign of things to come.

• Charles Jenkins, Hofstra. A one-man offensive show for Hofstra, Jenkins averaged 22.5 points last season and shot nearly 52 percent from the field despite having every opposing defense keying on him. Few have him projected to be drafted higher than No. 25, and again he is more of a combo guard than a pure point. But let's not forget that Billups and Douglas also played as combo guards last season, and the Knicks' need for scoring from the 2 position following Fields' flameout over the final two months of the season will be a big factor driving their decision-making process. Also, Jenkins has a rugged, strong body that reminds some of Deron Williams. Another player whose stock could rise or fall precipitously in Chicago this week.

• Darius Morris, Michigan. Ford calls him the most improved player in college last season, and it's no secret that scouts and GMs love point guards with size. Morris, 6-foot-4, is more of a floor general and a perimeter defender than an offensive-minded point, and the scouting report on him is to make him go to his left, which he struggles to do. Probably not rated high enough for the Knicks to take him at No. 17, but if Walsh is able to buy up second-round picks (the Lakers have four, and the Clippers have three) and is still seeking a point guard -- assuming the 17 pick is used on a big -- he could be an opportunity pick if he lasts through the first round.


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Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread II (New Poll) 

Post#29 » by foilfence » Tue May 24, 2011 2:32 am

As far as bigs that could help us now and would be in our range, it'd come down to Faried, Vucevic or if he drops, Markieff.

Its interesting to me how Markieff put up 1.1 bpg in 25 mins compared to just 1.4 for Vucevic in 35 mins. Faried put up 2.3bpg but I'm not sure if he was playing good teams while putting up those numbers.

Again, if somehow he drops to us, Markieff, being a better offensive player than Faried and much tougher than Vucevic would be my pick.
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Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread II (New Poll) 

Post#30 » by xsaberx » Tue May 24, 2011 2:34 am

I think I'd take Jimmer - but I think he will be long gone by 17

Vucevic is the guy I want if Jimmer is gone
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Post#31 » by can o peas » Tue May 24, 2011 2:38 am

where are bno and Flaming Mo? inquiring minds want to know :reporter:
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Post#32 » by eviL » Tue May 24, 2011 2:42 am

I'm taking Jimmer if he's on the board. If not, Vucevic. If not, it's a toss up between Brooks/Klay.

Regardng all this Jenkins talk, wasn't it him who said in a recent interview that he's forced to play PG because of his height, but he seems himself as a 2? I don't want a guy like that to be my backup PG/possible PG of the future..
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Post#33 » by Pharmcat » Tue May 24, 2011 2:51 am

koogiking wrote:We need a good defensive spot up shooter at the shooting guard position. all the contenders have one. We need a lock down wing defender next to Carmelo. A Defender thats capable of hitting spot up shots at a great rate. A Raja Bell type player.

And a defensive big obviously is needed too.

Ideally I'd like this team to have

Playmaking point guard
Defensive Shooting Guard
Scoring Small Forward
Scoring Big Man
Defensive Bigman


And off the bench I would like a versatile combo forward like Jeff Green, Wilson Chandler Gerald Wallace or Shawn Marion and a point guard that knows how to run an offense.


use the MLE to get that guy of the bench (JR smith)
trade for ridnour to get that PG (44% from 3 = +)
big men: draft one at 17, sign fesenko, bring jordan over

as far as this draft, ny needs to come away with multiple assets, for future trades sake
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Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread II (New Poll) 

Post#34 » by Smoke24 » Tue May 24, 2011 2:53 am

Pharmcat wrote:
koogiking wrote:We need a good defensive spot up shooter at the shooting guard position. all the contenders have one. We need a lock down wing defender next to Carmelo. A Defender thats capable of hitting spot up shots at a great rate. A Raja Bell type player.

And a defensive big obviously is needed too.

Ideally I'd like this team to have

Playmaking point guard
Defensive Shooting Guard
Scoring Small Forward
Scoring Big Man
Defensive Bigman


And off the bench I would like a versatile combo forward like Jeff Green, Wilson Chandler Gerald Wallace or Shawn Marion and a point guard that knows how to run an offense.


use the MLE to get that guy of the bench (JR smith)
trade for ridnour to get that PG (44% from 3 = +)
big men: draft one at 17, sign fesenko, bring jordan over

as far as this draft, ny needs to come away with multiple assets, for future trades sake


Do we have enough Roster spots/Cap space to do all that?
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Post#35 » by seren » Tue May 24, 2011 3:09 am

I want guys with legit size. Vucevic tops my list. Tyler if Vucevic is gone by the pick. Morris if we are going for a PG.
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Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread II (New Poll) 

Post#36 » by GONYK » Tue May 24, 2011 3:10 am

seren wrote:I want guys with legit size. Vucevic tops my list. Tyler if Vucevic is gone by the pick. Morris if we are going for a PG.

Tyler has no business being picked 17
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Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread II (New Poll) 

Post#37 » by Marty McFly » Tue May 24, 2011 3:13 am

I've been watching jimmer 40+ points games on youtube........

may god bless Mike D'antoni if we get that guy. :lol:
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Post#38 » by Greenie » Tue May 24, 2011 3:14 am

seren wrote:I want guys with legit size. Vucevic tops my list. Tyler if Vucevic is gone by the pick. Morris if we are going for a PG.

Morris really is the only pure point in this draft....................
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Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread II (New Poll) 

Post#39 » by GONYK » Tue May 24, 2011 3:30 am

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seren wrote:I want guys with legit size. Vucevic tops my list. Tyler if Vucevic is gone by the pick. Morris if we are going for a PG.

Morris really is the only pure point in this draft....................

He's who I would take
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Post#40 » by Charsace » Tue May 24, 2011 3:39 am

I hope we don't pick Faried. His post defense looked bad to me, what little of it I saw. And he's short so its hard to say his rebounding will translate.

I'm hoping the knicks pick is Selby or Jimmer.

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