2011 NBA Draft Thread II (New Poll & Mock Draft Results)

[RaZzMaTaZz]

I would love to the Knicks to get Klay Thompson his game kinda looks like Kevin Martin w/o the shooting form. Klay looks like a legit prototypical type SG.

[Marty McFly]

I would love to the Knicks to get Klay Thompson his game kinda looks like Kevin Martin w/o the shooting form. Klay looks like a legit prototypical type SG.

yeah he does, which is why i don't think he falls to us.

[omerome]

I would love to the Knicks to get Klay Thompson his game kinda looks like Kevin Martin w/o the shooting form. Klay looks like a legit prototypical type SG.

I also voted for Klay. Besides, we know D'Antoni loves his shooters.

I really think we will purchase another pick and draft a big in the #20s. We don't have much options because of our cap situation so we need to stockpile on talent and the draft happens to have it. If Klay or Jimmer is there at #17, we pick one of them.

[kingofk1ngs]

Chad Ford has us passing on Klay Thompson again and selecting Selby in his latest Mock. I really have a hard time seeing that happen.

[EchelonNYK]

Chad Ford has us passing on Klay Thompson again and selecting Selby in his latest Mock. I really have a hard time seeing that happen.

it's a mock, everyone have one.

[can o peas]

Its really difficult to find any player that size who only blocked 1.4 in 35 minutes. Only big men I can find w/ less are bad defenders like Lee and Boozer. Even Nick Collison was blocking 2 shots a game. Maybe Horford is another example at 1.8, but he's not really a shot blocker in the NBA and was playing next to Noah. Even guys who were busts like Michael Bradley were blocking almost 2 shots a game.

Really? Carlos Boozer and David Lee averaged 0.6 and 0.8 blocks respectively. See, I could understand if he was averaging .5-.8 blocks. I would agree with you and say that's terrible. But 1.4 blocks is far from being terrible- 1.4 blocks per game in the NBA is good right? It doesn't suddenly become terrible in college- if anything it's just meh. Also, Al Horford is a pretty good shotblocker and if you've been watching the WCF, Nick Collison is a decent one as well. I do kind of understand that Channing Frye might have turned you off with his 2.3 bpg at Arizona (and Jordan Hill with his 1.7 per there as well) because that made me also question how well it translates, but those guys have actually turned out to be decent shotblockers as well (decent not great ha).

Anyway, it's really just this particular point I'm defending. Also, I know the Pac-10 has sometimes been a "softer" conference but he's faced legit competition this year. The guys I listed as blocking were because those were his fellow guys in the draft. He also put up 24-9-1 against Tristan Thompson and 18-7-1 against UCLA where he also by the way blocked 2012 first rounder Joshua Smith. I just think in general, his numbers are pretty legit.

[SonOfMars]

Vucevic seems to sluggish and slow for me to really like him..

Im more in favor of Tyler...seems like more of an NBA fit

As for Fords latest mock, it seems rediculous..cant see us passing on KThompson, MBRooks, KFaried, NVucevic, and Donotas Montiejunas, who was projected to be a top 5 pick last year until he withdrew..

[can o peas]

Ford's Mock 3.0- I'll only be posting the latter half of it since that is the only part that really pertains to the Knicks:

15. Pacers- Jimmer Fredette

Analysis: Will Pacers fans finally get the real life version of Jimmy Chitwood? Fredette's ability to score the basketball is legendary and actually fits a need for the Pacers. In the fourth quarter of games this season, they really struggled to find a player who could hit the big shot.

I'm not sure Fredette is the point guard of the future in Indiana. He may be more of a scoring fixture (a la Ben Gordon) coming off the bench. Either way, his ability to contribute right away should give the Pacers another bump as they try to take the next step.

16. Philadelphia- Markieff Morris

Analysis: The Sixers really need a big man, and Morris, a Philly native, is the best left on the board. Morris has a rep as a good defender, shot-blocker and rebounder -- but he also proved at Kansas this year that he can step out and hit the 3. He's a bit rawer than his brother, but he's a good get at this point in the draft.

17. New York- Josh Selby
(same analysis as last time)

Analysis: GM Donnie Walsh may have made the biggest mistake of his career when he passed on a number of terrific young but unproven point guards in 2009 so he could draft Jordan Hill. Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson and Jrue Holiday -- and even Darren Collison, Eric Maynor and Jeff Teague -- all appear to be on their way to a long NBA career. Don't expect the Knicks to make the same mistake again.

They've been looking long and hard at Selby for a while, thinking he'd thrive in Mike D'Antoni's system, which allows guards much more freedom than they get at Kansas. Selby has lottery talent but a shaky résumé. It may be a risk taking him this high, but he has a very high upside.

18. WAS- Klay Thompson

Analysis: Nick Young is heading into free agency, and the Wizards could use another shooter in their backcourt to complement Wall. Thompson rivals Fredette as the best shooter in the draft and would be a great fit for the Wizards.

19. CHA- Marshon Brooks

Analysis: Brooks continued his rapid rise on draft boards with a terrific performance in Chicago. Two weeks ago, when I first wrote about him after a workout in Chicago, he sat in the mid-second round on most draft boards. Now there's talk about his ceiling being somewhere in the lottery.

For now we have Brooks going to a team that could really use an aggressive scorer. Gerald Henderson came on late in the season, but they're totally different players.

20. MIN- Donatas Motiejunas

Analysis: The Wolves have the best group of international scouts in the NBA and if Motiejunas falls this far, I think they'd snap him up. He's an aggressive scorer and he has size -- two things the Wolves could use in the post.

21. POR- Faried

Analysis: The Blazers fell in love with Faried last year before he withdrew from the draft. If they are fortunate enough to get a second chance at him this year, they'll grab him. His relentlessness on the boards is a nice complement to LaMarcus Aldridge's more offensive-minded style.

22. DEN- Tobias Harris
23. HOU- Reggie Jackson

Analysis: Kyle Lowry is coming off a career year, but Jackson would give them a very different look. Jackson is a terrific athlete, has a ridiculous 7-foot wingspan and shot the lights out his junior year. He has virtually every quality you look for in a modern NBA point guard and would likely be a good complement to Lowry.

24. OKC- Nikola Mirotic
25. BOS- Nikola Vucevic

Analysis: The Celtics need size and Vucevic was one of the players who helped his draft stock the most the past week in Chicago. His measurements were off the charts and gave teams hope he could be a legit NBA center. Given his skill in the post, he could be a steal at this point in the draft.

29. SAS- Jeremy Tyler

Analysis: The Spurs have done a good job over the years of finding young international players and stashing them overseas for a few years until they're ready. Tyler doesn't quite fit that model. He stashed himself overseas … but the point is he's got tremendous upside for a team willing to be patient with him. Given the strong reaction to Tyler at the predraft camp, I'm not sure he lasts this long on the draft board.

[Manhattan Project]

If Thompson and Motiejunas were both on the board, that would be interesting. I love me some Motie, but I do struggle to find a spot for him. I do believe we could bring him off the bench as a sixth man type and let him play the four and five for D'Antoni.

[TrueWarrior]

Well Ill be damned. Brooks could go lottery. Ill eat some crow on him lol.

I also highly doubt wed pass on Klay if he was there. Id take Brooks over Selby too. Selby and Nolan Smith are the 2 guys I want nothing to do with. Undersized SGs who arent great shooters. Also if Donatas fell that far I might have to pass on him too like Ford has us doing. Really dont like the guy at all and thered be a reason he falls.

As far as Faried goes. Deez Knicks IDK why you keep throwing out Boston/SA going small with KG/Big Baby and Duncan/Blair as if to compare that to Amare/Faried. You're talking about 2 of the best defensive big men of all time in KG and Duncan, and they're both close to 7 feet tall. Just a little bit different situations.

[Pharmcat]

ny needs more picks

but if DM falls to 17, i think you have to take him

[ezmoney707]

I don't know Selby's upside to me is hard to pass on. I know we all want a prototypical guard that looks to make plays for others, but i also think depth of the bench is big for us. If we look at how the team is currently constructed i would say the SG position is one that we can really address in this draft with Klay and Brooks and plug one of those players in to SG right away. If we are talking from a talent standpoint i think Selby has the most talent around our pick, even though he might not fit an immediate need.

[eviL]

I would flip if not only Motie, but Vucevic, Brooks, and Klay are there at 17 and we pass on all of them.

But then again, Chad Fraud is an idiot

[Marty McFly]

Hahn Re: Selby.......

alanhahn's avatar@alanhahn: Re: Mock Drafts: Clearly I need to do more homework on Selby and figure why Knicks, with Melo/Amar'e, would want PG w/ score-first mentality 37 minutes ago

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[Deeeez Knicks]

Its really difficult to find any player that size who only blocked 1.4 in 35 minutes. Only big men I can find w/ less are bad defenders like Lee and Boozer. Even Nick Collison was blocking 2 shots a game. Maybe Horford is another example at 1.8, but he's not really a shot blocker in the NBA and was playing next to Noah. Even guys who were busts like Michael Bradley were blocking almost 2 shots a game.

Really? Carlos Boozer and David Lee averaged 0.6 and 0.8 blocks respectively. See, I could understand if he was averaging .5-.8 blocks. I would agree with you and say that's terrible. But 1.4 blocks is far from being terrible- 1.4 blocks per game in the NBA is good right? It doesn't suddenly become terrible in college- if anything it's just meh. Also, Al Horford is a pretty good shotblocker and if you've been watching the WCF, Nick Collison is a decent one as well. I do kind of understand that Channing Frye might have turned you off with his 2.3 bpg at Arizona (and Jordan Hill with his 1.7 per there as well) because that made me also question how well it translates, but those guys have actually turned out to be decent shotblockers as well (decent not great ha).

Anyway, it's really just this particular point I'm defending. Also, I know the Pac-10 has sometimes been a "softer" conference but he's faced legit competition this year. The guys I listed as blocking were because those were his fellow guys in the draft. He also put up 24-9-1 against Tristan Thompson and 18-7-1 against UCLA where he also by the way blocked 2012 first rounder Joshua Smith. I just think in general, his numbers are pretty legit.

I guess I just disagree. In the NBA that’s good, but everyone blocks shots in college. To compare college stats per 30 min, Collison blocked 1.8 shots, Horford 1.9, Frye 2+ and Vucevic is at 1.2.

Maybe I exaggerated by calling that terrible, but as a 7 footer I just expect more. I gotta question his toughness and athletiscm especially being a Euro big man.

But then again…I’m probably totally wrong about this draft.

[Pharmcat]

Hahn Re: Selby.......

alanhahn's avatar@alanhahn: Re: Mock Drafts: Clearly I need to do more homework on Selby and figure why Knicks, with Melo/Amar'e, would want PG w/ score-first mentality 37 minutes ago

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b/ches melo's friend

[Marty McFly]

ny needs more picks

but if DM falls to 17, i think you have to take him

yes we do. in that range too. i think alot of teams could make a killing pouching under appreciated talent in that range 15-25......

donnie would be a genius if he could buy us into the first at least once.

[TrueWarrior]

Hahn Re: Selby.......

alanhahn's avatar@alanhahn: Re: Mock Drafts: Clearly I need to do more homework on Selby and figure why Knicks, with Melo/Amar'e, would want PG w/ score-first mentality 37 minutes ago

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/ ... z1NImo9XJH

And thats a best case scenario with Selby, being called a "score first PG" when hes more likely an undersized SG. Combo. Im sorry I dont see where people are seeing all this "upside". Because he was ranked #1 in his class? Definitely didnt show anything at Kansas, injury/system or not. Why not pick Jeremy Tyler then? He was ranked #1 too.

Stay away from Selby. If hes so talented and has all this amazing upside then he shouldnt still be there at #17. Why do we have to be the ones to take him? This is all too familiar with Jerry Bayless in 2008. We dont need his type. Ceiling is 6th man.

[Pharmcat]

Hahn Re: Selby.......

alanhahn's avatar@alanhahn: Re: Mock Drafts: Clearly I need to do more homework on Selby and figure why Knicks, with Melo/Amar'e, would want PG w/ score-first mentality 37 minutes ago

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/ ... z1NImo9XJH

And thats a best case scenario with Selby, being called a "score first PG" when hes more likely an undersized SG. Combo. Im sorry I dont see where people are seeing all this "upside". Because he was ranked #1 in his class? Definitely didnt show anything at Kansas, injury/system or not. Why not pick Jeremy Tyler then? He was ranked #1 too.

Stay away from Selby. If hes so talented and has all this amazing upside then he shouldnt still be there at #17. Why do we have to be the ones to take him? This is all too familiar with Jerry Bayless in 2008. We dont need his type.

deandre jordan was lotto talent that fell into the 2nd round, it happens

Im intrigued by selby, but i think only in a case where NY gets a 2nd pick to get another player also

[eviL]

Selby talk could be: