Find the Cavs a wing

mcfly1204 · Post #41 » by **mcfly1204** » Fri May 27, 2011 12:22 am

Cleveland gets the pleasure of trading down while Toronto salary dumps Barbosa to them. No thanks.

Starkiller · Post #42 » by **Starkiller** » Fri May 27, 2011 12:44 am

ZCM93 wrote:
Starkiller wrote:Trying to think of a package involving Danny Granger for Hickson and #4....

Danny Granger, 2012 1st, Tyler Hanbrough.

For

Hickson, and the #4

Just spitballin' here.

No from Cavs. Don't want old man Granger. Would set us back 5 years.

There's no way you're serious. You forgot green font right?

Doormatt · Post #43 » by **Doormatt** » Fri May 27, 2011 1:01 am

sombody call the cavs and tell them ebanks + our future first is available

Triumph36 · Post #44 » by **Triumph36** » Fri May 27, 2011 1:14 am

Starkiller wrote:
ZCM93 wrote:
Starkiller wrote:Trying to think of a package involving Danny Granger for Hickson and #4....

Danny Granger, 2012 1st, Tyler Hanbrough.

For

Hickson, and the #4

Just spitballin' here.

No from Cavs. Don't want old man Granger. Would set us back 5 years.

There's no way you're serious. You forgot green font right?

No?

Granger regressed in back to back years when he should be in his prime. That's a huge red flag.

But even more importantly, the Cavs suck. They will suck post-trade, too. So giving up all their youth accomplishes....nothing. Though it would delay the rebuild a few years.

Doormatt wrote:sombody call the cavs and tell them ebanks + our future first is available

done. trade should be completed within 24-48 hrs. Mike Brown can't wait to have Boobie back on his team.

I wish

BossHoggin · Post #45 » by **BossHoggin** » Fri May 27, 2011 1:17 am

Rapsobsessed7 wrote:
ZCM93 wrote:
Rapsobsessed7 wrote:Barbosa + #5 for TE + #4

? id want to move up to make sure you guys dont take Knight and we clear some cap space to do some things via FA and Barbosa is no more than an expiring contract so he doesnt hurt the long term flexibility.

Awful

how is it awful. Barbosa is a great 6th man the Cavs have no SG at all. Hes an expiring to combine with Jamison, use alone at the trade deadline or do whatever with him. Frankly you draft one spot still get the player you want (Raptors would take Knight)

Then you can stay at #5, keep GOAT Barbosa, and draft Knight. At least you didn't attach Calderon or Bargnani, so props.

[RCG] · Post #46 » by **[RCG]** » Fri May 27, 2011 3:32 am

OP said get a wing to go along with Irving/Kanter/Varejao so I'm guessing the #1 and #4 are off the table.

tidho wrote:
[RCG] wrote:Can you trade with the D-league? Only players with marginal value are Hickson, Sessions and maybe Gibson.

Is there a team in the league on which at least one of those guys wouldn't have a spot in the 8 or 9 man rotation?
I don't believe the expectation is to add a star on the wing, just someone that can contribute (which won't take much if you look at the 2's and 3's on their roster). Sessions is a good backup PG, if we could deal him for an equally good wing it would be a pretty big deal.

Back-ups point guards are a dime-a-dozen. Quality back-up wings or starters for that matter are much more scarce, it would take more than Sessions.

Mr Loggins · Post #47 » by **Mr Loggins** » Fri May 27, 2011 4:16 am

Evans Is King wrote:
Cleveland Fan wrote:
[RCG] wrote:Can you trade with the D-league? Only players with marginal value are Hickson, Sessions and maybe Gibson.

I see you are a timberwolves fan so maybe we could trade 1 of our player for 1 of your 13 D-league players.

Gotta love when the teams drafting #1 and #2 duke it out calling the other a D league roster

Just sayin'

+1. After all, Minnesota DID finish with the worse overall record and actually has fewer assetts than cleveland (considering Rubio sucks/will suck and LAC has the 2012 pick)

BossHoggin · Post #48 » by **BossHoggin** » Fri May 27, 2011 4:17 am

It takes skill to be worse than a team that lost 26 games in a row.

Triumph36 · Post #49 » by **Triumph36** » Fri May 27, 2011 4:30 am

I'm still kinda mad that the TWolves ended up finishing last. We were below them like all season then all of a sudden Love went down and we played a bunch of **** teams so the places ended up reversed.

Woulda had better chances of getting #1/#2 or even #1/#3 if things stayed the same.. Ah well.

old rem · Post #50 » by **old rem** » Fri May 27, 2011 7:12 am

[RCG] wrote:Can you trade with the D-league? Only players with marginal value are Hickson, Sessions and maybe Gibson.

uh huh. Otherwise, those other guys....you put an ad on Craigslist under "unskilled labor". The exception is Jamison who, as BIG $ and little future, is not gonna get anything.

Cavs should grab Williams, who had a FULL successful year.

vincecarter4pres · Post #51 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Fri May 27, 2011 7:20 am

Starkiller wrote:
Evans Is King wrote:
Starkiller wrote:Trying to think of a package involving Danny Granger for Hickson and #4....

Danny Granger, 2012 1st, Tyler Hanbrough.

For

Hickson, and the #4

Just spitballin' here.

As a Pacer fan who are you targeting to get with that package? Kanter? Id pass if I were you.

Well it needs tweeks. I don't think Granger by himself is enough to pull Hickson and the #4, and Cavs aren't dealing #1. A package like this moves Paul George to SF, which gives us a need at SG. Unless we could get Derrick Williams, but the #4 is too late for him.

Evans Is King wrote:Probably better off saving that package for next years draft

Why? Burks would probably be an incredible fit next to George.

NashtyNas · Post #52 » by **NashtyNas** » Fri May 27, 2011 9:51 am

Evans Is King wrote:
Golabki wrote:As has been stated, none of the proposed players to deal are very valuable.

The best move might be a B. Davis type deal, taking on a big contract with additional incentive.

What about a Bucks trade: 10th pick + Gooden + Salmons OR Maggette for Jamison?

Jamison alone? or Jamison + #4?

I'd assume it's Jamison alone. An expiring for 2 terrible contracts and the 10th pick makes some sense, but I don't see Cleveland pulling the move. Why in the world would they want to take on TWO bad contracts for an expiring to get the 10th pick when they got rid of Mo for one bad contract and what turned out to be the number one pick?

I do like your 7 for Davis/4 proposal from a Cav's POV, but I think Casspi would still need to be included. He's not a very great prospect and probably won't be much more than what Peja is now, a long range bomber; I don't think Sac is high enough on him to decline the trade if he were included. I do think they are unwilling to take on salary however due to the teams situation and ownership, so I just don't see it happening. However, if it were on the table, Cavs should definitely take it. Allows them to completely start the rebuild. 1- Irving 4-Kanter 7-Burks

Irving/Sessions
Burks/Gibson
Casspi/Eyenga
Kanter/Hickson
Varejao/Erden

That's a very nice haul from what they have now; problem is, have 3 prospects in the top 8 ever landed on the same team and panned out well enough to change the teams fortune? Last time something close happend that I remember was Portland in '06 with LMA and Roy.

corwin · Post #53 » by **corwin** » Fri May 27, 2011 9:53 am

Kosar86 wrote:Jamison is a $12 mil expiring and there is the $14 mil trade exception, those have the most value

That trade exception is the most valuable thing they have. Unfortunately, they can't be too cute since it expires July 11, 2011. BTW, Iggy fits under the trade exception but would require the #4 as a minimum.

Mr Loggins · Post #54 » by **Mr Loggins** » Fri May 27, 2011 12:53 pm

corwin wrote:
Kosar86 wrote:Jamison is a $12 mil expiring and there is the $14 mil trade exception, those have the most value

That trade exception is the most valuable thing they have. Unfortunately, they can't be too cute since it expires July 11, 2011. BTW, Iggy fits under the trade exception but would require the #4 as a minimum.

Iggy isn't worth the #4 pick, from Cleveland's perspective. Heck, from our point of view it may not even be worth to simply take him off your hands for the TPE, given his years in the league, salary and where we are in our rebuilding process.

gflem · Post #55 » by **gflem** » Fri May 27, 2011 8:25 pm

corwin wrote:
Kosar86 wrote:Jamison is a $12 mil expiring and there is the $14 mil trade exception, those have the most value

That trade exception is the most valuable thing they have. Unfortunately, they can't be too cute since it expires July 11, 2011. BTW, Iggy fits under the trade exception but would require the #4 as a minimum.

I like Iggy but there is absolutely no chance of getting the #4 for him. None.

Post #56 » by **City of Trees** » Fri May 27, 2011 8:36 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:
Evans Is King wrote:Probably better off saving that package for next years draft

Why? Burks would probably be an incredible fit next to George.

Yes he could be but Burks is not going #4. He was talking about trading Granger/ 2012 1st/ T Hans moving up to #4. IMO that is a horrible idea in this years draft

SO_MONEY · Post #57 » by **SO_MONEY** » Fri May 27, 2011 9:04 pm

Cleveland Fan wrote:
[RCG] wrote:Can you trade with the D-league? Only players with marginal value are Hickson, Sessions and maybe Gibson.

I see you are a timberwolves fan so maybe we could trade 1 of our player for 1 of your 13 D-league players.

Wolves will give you Ellington and Hayward for a second round pick or two.

Hickson has value, but if I were CLE I wouldn't trade him, yet anyway. Plus he has more value than our two players so we can give them to you a little over 2mil in salary together.

Triumph36 · Post #58 » by **Triumph36** » Fri May 27, 2011 9:07 pm

corwin wrote:
Kosar86 wrote:Jamison is a $12 mil expiring and there is the $14 mil trade exception, those have the most value

That trade exception is the most valuable thing they have. Unfortunately, they can't be too cute since it expires July 11, 2011. BTW, Iggy fits under the trade exception but would require the #4 as a minimum.

lol

Hope the front office isn't as delusional as you or Iggy will be stuck in Philly for the remainder of his contract.

corwin · Post #59 » by **corwin** » Sat May 28, 2011 3:34 am

Triumph36 wrote:
corwin wrote:
Kosar86 wrote:Jamison is a $12 mil expiring and there is the $14 mil trade exception, those have the most value

That trade exception is the most valuable thing they have. Unfortunately, they can't be too cute since it expires July 11, 2011. BTW, Iggy fits under the trade exception but would require the #4 as a minimum.
lol

Hope the front office isn't as delusional as you or Iggy will be stuck in Philly for the remainder of his contract.

Don't you think you're over-rating pick #4 in a 2/3 player draft? I understand why Cleveland wants to roll the dice on the pick & not spend it on Iggy, but on the other hand Iggy isn't going for expirings or your trade exception. It might make an interesting thread of it's own, but how exactly is Gilbert going to use the TPE before the lock-out? Other than Rudy Gay (already turned down by one of the small market teams) I'd be curious to hear your thoughts as to how it get's used!

vincecarter4pres · Post #60 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Sat May 28, 2011 5:43 am

When Alec Burks is tearing **** up and Kawhi Leonard is a hell of a player and a couple of the Euro's are very solid big men, plus 4 or 5 other guys are solid big minute rotation players from the top 20 in about 2 or 3 seasons, then people are going to look back and say, "Why was this draft called weak? Why was this draft called a 2 player draft?"

I'm just not getting the huge negative hyperbole.

I guess I'll just accept that I'm on an island with this one though.