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Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread Part 9

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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 9 

Post#321 » by bboyskinnylegs » Fri May 27, 2011 12:34 am

tdotrep2 wrote:
5DOM wrote:Udoh's also 5 years older


this, bb is also bulkier and probably has a better reach, and mor athletic. (correct me if im wrong)

Bismack weighs 243lbs (with 4.8% body fat) vs. Udoh's 237lbs (with 8% body fat). His standing reach is 4.5" bigger (9'3" vs 8'10.5"), his wingspan is 2.5" longer (7'7" vs 7'4.5"). We don't have his athletic measurements yet, but Udoh had a 31" no-step vert and 33.5" max vert. From watching him, I really think Bismack's are going to be higher than that, but we'll have to wait about two weeks to find out. The only thing Ekpe appears to have on Bismack is that the top of his head is 0.75" higher off the ground.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 9 

Post#322 » by 5DOM » Fri May 27, 2011 12:48 am

Tbh, I don't think Biyombo jumps very high. But he gets up quick, his second jump is great and he seems very quick overall
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 9 

Post#323 » by FluLikeSymptoms » Fri May 27, 2011 12:49 am

TheRealDeal wrote:Bigs rise.

It sounds like Val has solidified himself as top 5 pick. The Cavs are reportedly interested in him even if Kanter is still on the board. Once Cleveland sees him in workouts and get measurements it'll be tough for them to pass him up. That means Kanter or Knight would fall to us so we should be paying attention to what Utah is doing.

If Val falls to us and it's Val vs. Knight it'll be an interesting debate.


I'm starting to think it's wide open after Kyrie. More talk of DWill being a PF is not a good thing. If DWill is seen as an undersized 4, there's a small chance he makes it to #5.

It's looking more and more like #2-#6 will be comprised of DWill, Kanter, Val, Knight and likely Leonard, in some order. If we get any of those players I won't puke, but DWill aside I'd take the biggest one available.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 9 

Post#324 » by 5DOM » Fri May 27, 2011 12:55 am

I don't think there's any way Williams falls all the way to #5, not after the season he's just had. He also measured out pretty well iirc.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 9 

Post#325 » by TheRealDeal » Fri May 27, 2011 1:07 am

Kyrie didn't even participate in athletic testing at the combine. He's the first #1 pick to avoid it so he seems pretty sure about his position atop the board.

Danny Ainge sounded very confident at the combine when he said this is a 2 player draft. That lead me to believe it's a consensus among GM's and D-Will will either go #2 or get traded. You never know with Kahn but passing up D-Will could get him fired so I think he'll smarten up.

Utah's decision at #3 is where it gets fun.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 9 

Post#326 » by FluLikeSymptoms » Fri May 27, 2011 1:11 am

5DOM wrote:I don't think there's any way Williams falls all the way to #5, not after the season he's just had. He also measured out pretty well iirc.


Well, he's been compared to Beasley time after time, fairly or no, who was .25" shorter at the combine with an inch less of wingspan, which I don't think tips the scales. Not saying there's a good chance he'll fall to us, but a C or PG might be more tempting for #2-#4, and who knows who will be making the selections. They must all be available, no?
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 9 

Post#327 » by toka » Fri May 27, 2011 1:18 am

FluLikeSymptoms wrote:I'm starting to think it's wide open after Kyrie. More talk of DWill being a PF is not a good thing. If DWill is seen as an undersized 4, there's a small chance he makes it to #5.

It's looking more and more like #2-#6 will be comprised of DWill, Kanter, Val, Knight and likely Leonard, in some order. If we get any of those players I won't puke, but DWill aside I'd take the biggest one available.


Zero chance Williams drops to 5th. The whole 'I can play small forward' thing was a defense mechanism to protect his draft stock just in case he measured out too small. He measured out at 6'9'' with good athleticism. There's no doubt he's an NBA 4. He's not dropping below 3. I still think he's a lock for the top 2, but nobody's going to pass on him at 3.

Leonard is not a top 5 pick. Is there such a huge difference between Leonard and Stanley Robinson from last year? Robinson was 6'8 with freakish athleticism (38'' vertical) but low skill level. Kawhi is a better rebounder & very good athlete but not nearly the freak athlete people make him out to be. Are we sure he's going to make an immediate impact even though he's a below average skill guy like Robinson? Obviously Leonard's production is a bit better and he's 20 (he turns 20 1 week after the draft), but are we sure Leonard's going to be productive? For a guy who we expect to be a Gerald Wallace/Shawn Marion type I'd expect more elite athleticism than he's shown.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 9 

Post#328 » by OAKLEY_2 » Fri May 27, 2011 2:43 am

I hope the Jazz don't leave Kanter on the board in order to take Knight. Knight's potential is Devin Harris, and the Jazz already have him.


Found this above on the Jazz board. Seems they think Knight is a Devin Harris clone and some over here think he is a Bayless clone. My guess he is neither but it highlights the concern that some fans for both teams think Knight isn't a significant enough upgrade.

Knight is the player for us.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 9 

Post#329 » by Rapsobsessed7 » Fri May 27, 2011 2:56 am

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I hope the Jazz don't leave Kanter on the board in order to take Knight. Knight's potential is Devin Harris, and the Jazz already have him.


Found this above on the Jazz board. Seems they think Knight is a Devin Harris clone and some over here think he is a Bayless clone. My guess he is neither but it highlights the concern that some fans for both teams think Knight isn't a significant enough upgrade.

Knight is the player for us.


Knight looks like a stud to me. If he turns out to be Devin Harris (an all-star before) then id be happy. I mean i think his ceiling is higher than Harris but if he turns to be similar than fine by me. In a "weak" draft walking away with a Devin Harris type who has the potential to be better, would be a steal.

I just have concerns of

CLE: Picking Williams/Then picking Knight
CLE: Picking Irving/then pick Knight (look to trade him)
UTA: picking Knight over Kanter (i still think MIN takes Kanter, leaving D.Will to UTA)
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 9 

Post#330 » by NH » Fri May 27, 2011 3:05 am

Walker reminds me too much of Bayless in that they seem to really like to do it all by themselves, including crazy drives into the lane just cause. Walker also looks like he can make big shots, but a lot of them look flukey.. For Knight, I tried to find his highlights and over 50% of his plays are 3 balls... loves to park behind that line and shoot. Jonas V. doesn't look too bad of a pick, esp if we can't get Kanter. I rather have Bayless develop really than either PGs
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 9 

Post#331 » by bonjovi0308 » Fri May 27, 2011 4:27 am

OAKLEY_2 wrote:
I hope the Jazz don't leave Kanter on the board in order to take Knight. Knight's potential is Devin Harris, and the Jazz already have him.


Found this above on the Jazz board. Seems they think Knight is a Devin Harris clone and some over here think he is a Bayless clone. My guess he is neither but it highlights the concern that some fans for both teams think Knight isn't a significant enough upgrade.

Knight is the player for us.


Devin Harris in his prime is in a total different league to Bayless.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 9 

Post#332 » by bonjovi0308 » Fri May 27, 2011 4:29 am

NH wrote:Walker reminds me too much of Bayless in that they seem to really like to do it all by themselves, including crazy drives into the lane just cause. Walker also looks like he can make big shots, but a lot of them look flukey.. For Knight, I tried to find his highlights and over 50% of his plays are 3 balls... loves to park behind that line and shoot. Jonas V. doesn't look too bad of a pick, esp if we can't get Kanter. I rather have Bayless develop really than either PGs


But you forgot to compare their resumes - Walker is a proven winner while Bayless had always been underachieving. Bayless might have skills but skills alone won't get wins for your team.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 9 

Post#333 » by bonjovi0308 » Fri May 27, 2011 4:38 am

TheDunc wrote:Chris Singleton and Tristan Thompson will be very solid nba players. They both tested out great athletically. There might not be much room for our canadian boy here but we should really take a look a Chris Singleton. Hes a great defender, i think he could be a great role player for us.


I never see Singleton play, but from the descriptions by the others, it seems he is a rich man's JuJu, who could play great defense, but couldn't buy a bucket. Having said that, I wouldn't mind having him if we could somehow acquire an extra pick at 12nd-17th to get him, provided that no other better prospects are still available ala Ed Davis. However, what assets we could give up for that pick? I still think Barbosa offers more (3pt shooting, expire contract, possible trade for a 1st rd pick next year in a strong draft) in the longer run.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 9 

Post#334 » by TheRealDeal » Fri May 27, 2011 5:37 am

JonathanG wrote:Here's some more analysis of the athletic testing results and a composite ranking we put together which sheds some light on who were the top overall performers.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Ana ... sults-3728
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 9 

Post#335 » by SkywalkerAC » Fri May 27, 2011 9:20 am

bonjovi0308 wrote:
OAKLEY_2 wrote:
I hope the Jazz don't leave Kanter on the board in order to take Knight. Knight's potential is Devin Harris, and the Jazz already have him.


Found this above on the Jazz board. Seems they think Knight is a Devin Harris clone and some over here think he is a Bayless clone. My guess he is neither but it highlights the concern that some fans for both teams think Knight isn't a significant enough upgrade.

Knight is the player for us.


Devin Harris in his prime is in a total different league to Bayless.


Devis Harris had a prime?
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 9 

Post#336 » by bonjovi0308 » Fri May 27, 2011 10:20 am

Devin Harris in his prime is in a total different league to Bayless.[/quote]

Devis Harris had a prime?[/quote]

He was the major reason of a Dallas's playoff series win a few years ago.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 9 

Post#337 » by OAKLEY_2 » Fri May 27, 2011 10:32 am

Devin Harris had a prime?


Well the quote from the Jazz board was making the point that Harris was easily good enough to bypass Knight for Kanter. The thinking also was that Kanter would work well with Favors. I think that means Knight is almost a lock at 5 for the Raptors. Essentially Knight is the 2011 version of a Derozan selection. Raw with upside. If we had Harris we would not remotely entertain a point guard at number 5 of that I'm sure. Since we almost had Chandler I think it incumbent upon BC to revisit that kind of option again over the next year. Selecting Knight only lights a fire under Bayless which is win/win.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 9 

Post#338 » by ATLTimekeeper » Fri May 27, 2011 11:24 am

Jimmer and Knight surprised me the most. What's the argument against Jimmer going top 10?
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 9 

Post#339 » by overdose » Fri May 27, 2011 11:28 am

As weird as it sounds, even though this is considered a weak draft I truly wouldn't be upset with any of the players we are in position to draft...except Vesly please god don't let us draft him lol


I mean Knight and Kemba seem like solid PG's to go forward with (with the edge going to Knight imo)

and Biyombi, Val and Kanter possibly filling or need for a defensively solid Center.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 9 

Post#340 » by 5DOM » Fri May 27, 2011 12:14 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:Jimmer and Knight surprised me the most. What's the argument against Jimmer going top 10?


whether he can actually use his underrated athleticism and body to defend. I like him a lot, but that he had to save energy on defense is not the greatest excuse imo.
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