Bynum Is Untouchable

[So Gutta]

Guys, relax. Woj is just giving his opinion. He always does this. His whole "schtick" is to create drama. The part where he says Jeanie should be running the team should tell you all you need to know about this guy's articles. The list is long of the crazy stuff he writes.

Steve Mason and John Ireland played an interview of Jim Buss they did about a month ago where he clearly states that if Mitch and Dr. Buss wanted to trade Bynum, he would of course consider it. It is his job to consider such things.

They played this interview at least 5 times.

Jim Buss is getting killed right now, but keep in mind, the guy was a scout for 8 years.. So he hired Mike Brown... what are the alternatives?

-Shaw (no experience)
-Adelman (admittedly my first choice but Brown has been to the Finals too)
-Dunleavy (The freakin CLIPPERS quit on him)
-Jeff Van Gundy (hasn't coached in years, and is a horrible announcer)

Mike Brown seems like a fine choice considering the list above.

[Dr Aki]

the negativity is all because jim is a change to the status quo, which was winning

[dockingsched]

but hasn't jim buss had a voice in decisions back to 2007?

[Slava]

Yeah but it was offset by Phil for the most part and Kobe was being a constant pain in the ass with his trade demands, causing Dr. Buss to take a more active role as reported.

Phil even said that Artest signing was a rather unpleasant surprise but Jim and Mitch lobbied hard for him. Phil didn't believe in Artest fitting in and in his latest interview went as far as to say that his game didn't necessarily fit in with what we were doing up until then.

[Dr Pepper]

Jim Buss is also a guy that infamously hired a bartender for a scout and has been firing long term Lakers for the time being. He want to put his imprint on the franchise and start his own era but it seems like its on track for the worse and the media have already picked up on that narrative.

[Kilroy]

I think I'm coming to terms with Jim Buss...

He has been around for a while... And most of my concerns tend to surround things Phil said... Other than that, it was rumors about Bynum and Kobe that have never really been substantiated...
I've always tended to side with Phil and Dr Buss on everything... But Phil is kind of an egomaniac himself, and seems to have different values/priorities than the Lakers and us fans at times.

So I guess I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and say that maybe a good portion of the issues were a result of everyone tripping over Phil's ego...

That said, we aren't likely to have a coach like Phil Jackson again... Maybe not even a Riley... So it's probably time to get over it...

And there will never be an owner like Dr Buss... But there are a lot of good owners, and he's been bringing Jim along slowly so maybe there's some hope.

[dockingsched]

Yeah but it was offset by Phil for the most part and Kobe was being a constant pain in the ass with his trade demands, causing Dr. Buss to take a more active role as reported.

Phil even said that Artest signing was a rather unpleasant surprise but Jim and Mitch lobbied hard for him. Phil didn't believe in Artest fitting in and in his latest interview went as far as to say that his game didn't necessarily fit in with what we were doing up until then.

isn't it still the same though? jim buss, jerry buss, and mitch are making the decisions. i guess i'm just confused as to why people are making this big deal bout jim buss now. mitch already said the brown hiring was a unanimous decision, and as far as bynum being untouchable, it was just one writer's speculation. someone posted a quote that if dr. buss and mitch were interested in moving bynum, it would be something they'd have to look at.

[Dr Pepper]

People doubt Dr. Buss' impact nowadays and for the near future because of his health/age. If Dr. Buss and Mitch was running the show then Kobe would've been in the know about the hire instead of the "no comment" quote he made. Kobe trusts Mitch and the Lakers managers but you gotta show that same respect back even if its just a phone call conversation.

EDIT: Also recent firings like laying off Ronnie Lester, Mitch's right hand man, isn't a good sign for things to come when it comes to Mitch's future role.

[dirtymike]

Jim Buss is so stupid..I wouldn't be surprised if he declined a deal that invovles Dwight and Bynum straight up........

You are right...but come on now, If a deal for Dwight is going to happen, you better believe Arenas has to be part of that deal. Maybe even Turk. Magic isnt gonna give up Dwight and NOT have the Lakers take on the HORRIBLE Arenas contract. AND we WILL have to including either Pau or LO in the deal. NOT WORTH IT!!!! I love Dwight...but he aint worth the kitchen sink.

[Kilroy]

People doubt Dr. Buss' impact nowadays and for the near future because of his health/age. If Dr. Buss and Mitch was running the show then Kobe would've been in the know about the hire instead of the "no comment" quote he made. Kobe trusts Mitch and the Lakers managers but you gotta show that same respect back even if its just a phone call conversation.

EDIT: Also recent firings like laying off Ronnie Lester, Mitch's right hand man, isn't a good sign for things to come when it comes to Mitch's future role.

They said the hiring happened and went public too fast for them to get in touch with Kobe...

FWIW I can understand that... I think they gave Brown kind of a low offer and he accepted it... I think they were going to move on to Adelman if he didn't accept it immediately. They obviously can't call Kobe every time they interview someone and I get the impression Kobe doesn't really want to be bothered with that level of detail...
I also think they didn't expect it to go public this quickly... I think that's a shot at Brown's camp... This isn't Clev and we don't reveal anything until we have a press conference... So there was no time to tell Kobe what was going on before he heard it from just about every news station.

And as far as Lester being 'fired,' so far that isn't true... All the Scouts were notified that their contracts would not be renewed... That's not the same thing. There have been conflicting reports about whether or not they'll get new contracts after the lockout... So we'll see.

[Dr Pepper]

People doubt Dr. Buss' impact nowadays and for the near future because of his health/age. If Dr. Buss and Mitch was running the show then Kobe would've been in the know about the hire instead of the "no comment" quote he made. Kobe trusts Mitch and the Lakers managers but you gotta show that same respect back even if its just a phone call conversation.

EDIT: Also recent firings like laying off Ronnie Lester, Mitch's right hand man, isn't a good sign for things to come when it comes to Mitch's future role.

They said the hiring happened and went public too fast for them to get in touch with Kobe...

FWIW I can understand that... I think they gave Brown kind of a low offer and he accepted it... I think they were going to move on to Adelman if he didn't accept it immediately. They obviously can't call Kobe every time they interview someone and I get the impression Kobe doesn't really want to be bothered with that level of detail...
I also think they didn't expect it to go public this quickly... I think that's a shot at Brown's camp... This isn't Clev and we don't reveal anything until we have a press conference... So there was no time to tell Kobe what was going on before he heard it from just about every news station.

And as far as Lester being 'fired,' so far that isn't true... All the Scouts were notified that their contracts would not be renewed... That's not the same thing. There have been conflicting reports about whether or not they'll get new contracts after the lockout... So we'll see.

I agree Kobe doesn't need to be involved with all of the interviewing details and that it shouldn't have gone public so quickly. They should have called him before it went public even if it was just to tell Kobe about their decision.

Yea the Lakers supporting staff got pink slips in the first round or something like that. But I think it is more about starting a new era than preparing for the lockout since I can't find any other organization doing the same stuff. Isn't Lester legitimately fired though? Or is he still working in the FO? I don't see why you'd fire your assistant GM until the lockout arrives but time will tell.

[Kilroy]

I agree Kobe doesn't need to be involved with all of the interviewing details and that it shouldn't have gone public so quickly. They should have called him before it went public even if it was just to tell Kobe about their decision.

Yea the Lakers supporting staff got pink slips in the first round or something like that. But I think it is more about starting a new era than preparing for the lockout since I can't find any other organization doing the same stuff. Isn't Lester legitimately fired though? Or is he still working in the FO? I don't see why you'd fire your assistant GM until the lockout arrives but time will tell.

I think Browns camp was responsible for making the coaching decision public... I think if the Lakers had control over that, they would have waited a few days and probably let everyone know that was going on... As far as I know, they haven't done an official signing Pres Conference yet. So I think they might have liked to wait.

As far as I know and read, Lakers staff were "informed their contracts would not be renewed" and I thought the reasoning the articles gave at the time was because the Buss family was unsure what impact the lockout would have.

Lester is the assistant GM in charge of player development and Scouting... According to the reputable reports I read, he was informed that his contract would not be renewed as well... Since all the scouts received the same notice, I assume it was all part of the same effort.