Bogut for #3

Wolverine · Post #1 » by **Wolverine** » Fri May 27, 2011 12:19 pm

There is talk of a Bogut for #2. Would you do Bogut for #3?????

HolyToledo · Post #2 » by **HolyToledo** » Fri May 27, 2011 3:19 pm

Probably would have to be Bogut for Jefferson and #3 pick to make it work, and I would even throw in the #12 pick if Bogut signs long term contract.

hoops4life · Post #3 » by **hoops4life** » Fri May 27, 2011 3:30 pm

No. I wouldn't. I wouldn't throw in Jefferson AND the 12.

QuantumMacgyver · Post #4 » by **QuantumMacgyver** » Fri May 27, 2011 3:38 pm

No way I'd trade Big Al, #3 AND #12 for Bogut. Maybe Big Al, #3 for Bogut and #10.(Or whatever pick they have)

Post #5 » by **StocktonShorts** » Fri May 27, 2011 4:12 pm

I'd do Big Al and the 3rd pick for Bogut and the 10th pick.

Getjazz · Post #6 » by **Getjazz** » Fri May 27, 2011 4:38 pm

I would rather have Big Al and D Williams any day!!! Good thing your not a GM!

Post #7 » by **StocktonShorts** » Fri May 27, 2011 6:51 pm

Getjazz wrote:I would rather have Big Al and D Williams any day!!! Good thing your not a GM!

That's a false choice. The Jazz aren't projected to get Derrick Williams at 3.

With Favors and Bogut the Jazz would have the makings of an elite frontcourt on both ends of the floor.

BarneyGumble · Post #8 » by **BarneyGumble** » Fri May 27, 2011 7:33 pm

if the deal were Al Jefferson and the #12 to get Bogut, show me where to sign....

Getjazz · Post #9 » by **Getjazz** » Sat May 28, 2011 2:33 am

Ok, Kanter or Knight and Big Al. Still worth more than Bogut alone. However Big Al and 12 is a DEAL!!!

Reckless · Post #10 » by **Reckless** » Sat May 28, 2011 2:41 am

#3 and Big Al for Bogut

Do it!

JazzUnder · Post #11 » by **JazzUnder** » Sat May 28, 2011 3:29 am

Are we overrating Bogut a little? and underrating Al...

Bogut struggled to get on the court the last few years (we dont need another injury prone big) and there has been issues with the management of his elbow. Al played all games this year and is younger than Andrew. Yeah we need a more defensive minded big, but I don't think throwing away the best pick we have had in years is the way to go.

Hayward, Favors + #3 (potentially) = the next 10 years

carrottop12 · Post #12 » by **carrottop12** » Sat May 28, 2011 3:37 am

Yes we are. Bogut is good when healthy, but Al isn't exactly a scrub either, and we're packaging a pick that has the potential to be very good. Either Valanciunas or Kanter could turn into Bogut type players.

I want to see Al in year two personally.

TDIDDY · Post #13 » by **TDIDDY** » Sat May 28, 2011 6:10 am

Yeah lets get another AK on the team so he's hurt all the time!!

J_Ray · Post #14 » by **J_Ray** » Sat May 28, 2011 6:23 am

Maybe Okur & #3 for Bogut but then they would probably have to trade Millsap.

red4hf · Post #15 » by **red4hf** » Sat May 28, 2011 12:16 pm

Did anybody actually see Bogut play last year? His elbow injury seriously affected him, he might never regain the form he had before that injury...... He isn't worth the 3rd pick, much less Jefferson AND that pick........

Bucksfans1and2 · Post #16 » by **Bucksfans1and2** » Sat May 28, 2011 2:14 pm

The dream scenario on the Bucks board currently is:

Bogut for Okur, 3, and 12. With the Bucks maybe adding something like Luc Richard Mbah a Moute in a Sign and Trade

Jennings for Calderon and 5

3: Kanter
5: Knight
10: Burks
12: Morris
40: Honeycutt

Using the CBA Anmesty Clause on Gooden

Go into next year with

Knight/Calderon/Hobson
Burks/Delfino
Salmons/Maggette/Honeycutt
Ersan/Morris/Sanders
Kanter/Sanders/Brockman

Bucksfans1and2 · Post #17 » by **Bucksfans1and2** » Sat May 28, 2011 2:42 pm

Also, yes Bogut's arm was wrecked last year, but even with a wrecked arm he anchored one of the best Defenses in the league.

He had the second best Drating last year and the third best Drating this year.

I have no idea how your big rotation looks and how high you guys our on Favors and Milsap though.

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I'm a big believer in Orating/Drating differential, and the Jazz had a differential of -2. That's usually good for about 35 wins. The Jazz got up to 39 which is the high end of the spectrum of overachieving. (I've never seen a difference bigger than 5 wins)

If Bogut comes in and gets your Drating down to 105 (higher than the Bucks) and the Orating stays the same, you're looking at an average of 48 wins. Keep the +4 overachieving and you're up to 52. He gets it down to 103 (like the Bucks) you're looking at 54/58 wins

Normally, I'm against teams shooting for 50 wins because they usually fail and end up with 43 and the 12th pick, but the Jazz are in a unique position. They've got young guys in Favors and Heyward, plus you could probably get that final piece to get to 60+ wins and contention in a trade with Milsap

Bogut/Fesenko
Jefferson/Favors

That's a rock solid big man rotation. Trade Milsap for some help at Guard and you're rolling.

hoops4life · Post #18 » by **hoops4life** » Sat May 28, 2011 5:06 pm

Okur 3 and 12 for Bogut... no way.

JazzUnder · Post #19 » by **JazzUnder** » Sat May 28, 2011 5:49 pm

Bucksfans1and2 wrote:Also, yes Bogut's arm was wrecked last year, but even with a wrecked arm he anchored one of the best Defenses in the league.

He had the second best Drating last year and the third best Drating this year.

I have no idea how your big rotation looks and how high you guys our on Favors and Milsap though.

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I'm a big believer in Orating/Drating differential, and the Jazz had a differential of -2. That's usually good for about 35 wins. The Jazz got up to 39 which is the high end of the spectrum of overachieving. (I've never seen a difference bigger than 5 wins)

If Bogut comes in and gets your Drating down to 105 (higher than the Bucks) and the Orating stays the same, you're looking at an average of 48 wins. Keep the +4 overachieving and you're up to 52. He gets it down to 103 (like the Bucks) you're looking at 54/58 wins

Normally, I'm against teams shooting for 50 wins because they usually fail and end up with 43 and the 12th pick, but the Jazz are in a unique position. They've got young guys in Favors and Heyward, plus you could probably get that final piece to get to 60+ wins and contention in a trade with Milsap

Bogut/Fesenko
Jefferson/Favors

That's a rock solid big man rotation. Trade Milsap for some help at Guard and you're rolling.

Mate you seem pretty happy to get rid of bogut, why?

And 60 wins... honestly your dreaming,

Matt007b · Post #20 » by **Matt007b** » Sat May 28, 2011 6:45 pm

I would love to see Bogut over here..his defense in my opinion is better than Jefferson and actually might force the Jazz system of passing to work through the PF (favors/Milsap) instead of C (Jefferson) again..

But for the #3 overall with Jefferson..? I can't see it that's very high price considering the draft history at that pick..hopefully we can find someway to figure something out...

Also just my opinion but seems like the Jazz front office has publicly supported Jefferson/Milsap/Devin Harris, I can't remember what the comment or quote was but it sounds like they are interested in shooting/big man....so unless it's a trade that works for us I don't see those guys going anywhere.