Official Transaction Ideas thread

hoops_32 · Post #841 » by **hoops_32** » Sat May 28, 2011 12:42 am

I meant that Shumpert was a combo guard. While Calderon would be the starter, Shumpert would back him up and get playing time against quicker,more athletic PG's becuase he can contribute defensively right away. He can also back up Kobe as well and defend shooting guards and small forwards. Mike Brown stresses defense and Shumpert,Kobe and Artest would be ideal in his defense.

The_Trade_Seer · Post #842 » by **The_Trade_Seer** » Sat May 28, 2011 1:30 am

stankubrick13 wrote:a few things for you all to consider

This is adecent post, nice job.

1. anybody talking about acquiring mcgrady has either not watches b ball for 5 years or is insane. an aging 2 guard who plays zero defense is the last thing we need on this team.

You're right T-Mac plays no "D" but I'd be okay with him as a backup to Kobe ... the guys is a very, very sound offensive ball player and wants to win a title badly ... we could do much worse than T-Mac.

2. we are not looking for young unproven guys. ie, trading for rubio? are you guys kidding?

I agree, but who knows what is in Jim Buss' mind.

3. for all of you who have Pau being potentially traded to teams that are rebuilding or very young, STOP. no tea, that is not in win now mode takes in pau's contract with his age and declining skills. only contenders will take pau. He is not going to a rebuilding wolves team. it ain't happening.

Not true ... many young and rebuilding teams would take him if it made sense, such as the Wizards.

4. we are trying to get younger, quicker and more athletic. think about this when you consider potential trades.

This seems to contradict your point 2 above, no?

5. Bynum will only be traded for a top 3 pg or dwight howard. not because he is that good, but because he is what makes us potentially 'that good'. there are only two 7 foot beasts, bynum and dwight. we dont have the athletic ability anymore nor the youth anymore, and bynum is what we have that other teams dont. he is our advantage against these teams with these other traits. for these reasons, he will not be traded unless we acquire that same beast (howard) or an all star top pg

I agree.

all that being said...i think it will be either odom or pau to go. if we can find an older team or a contender, they might consider pau. for example, OKC needed a 4 to throw the ball into, ala a pau gasol...the team, though young, is in win now mode, though theyre still getting better and better. they also have the assets to trade for pau while still keeping a very young core...

so a possible trade here?

lal out: Pau gasol, ebanks, fisher
in: steph curry, nick collison, dorell wright

OKC out: westbrook, collison
Okc in: Gasol, jeremy lin, jeff adrien

GS out: steph curry, dorell wright, lin, adrien
in: westbrook, ebanks, fisher (waived) 2 1st rd picks.

why? lakers get the pg we've all been talking about. great shooter, playmaker, and can be THE GUY once Kobe moves on. we also get a deadly 3 point ace in wright who would probably start, and a great glue guy in collison. essentially, he could start and lamar could still come off the bench. GS does it to get the future of their franchise. pairing westbrook with monta and lee is a nice trio. plus TONS of speed, and a potential great 3 in ebanks. OKC gets the starting 4 they need to finish games. pau has experience 2 titles, which will help young OKC. best yet, they keep the rest of their young core, (durant, harden, ibaka, perkins, maynor)

i would do it. I think bynum should be our 2nd option starting next season, and i think if its not odom, pau needs to go.

Stop the madness!!!! There is NO WAY that the Thunder would trade Westbrook for Pau, no way! The financials don't work either but even if they did, it ain't happening.

Doormatt · Post #843 » by **Doormatt** » Sat May 28, 2011 2:31 am

lol, i look how he asks us to be reasonable and then proposes a Gasol-Westbrook trade.

LOL!

stankubrick13 · Post #844 » by **stankubrick13** » Sat May 28, 2011 3:03 am

In response to the last 2 replies...

first of all, young and unproven are completely different. rubio hasnt stepped a foot on an nba court and you all want to trade for him. wheres a player like steph curry , though young, has proven he can at least play with the big boys...that make sense? cant see why it wouldnt.

back to the topic of mcgrady, you guys are crazy if you think he's the same player he was. he cant guard a rock. he cant drive by a stiff, and he adds nothing to our team. we need more athleticism, not an aging chucker.

as for the gasol to OKC trade, if OKC had a 4 with some post moves, they might have actually had a half court offense that would have definitely helped as they struggled in key possessions. what you guys are missing is that OKC is young, but they are in WIN NOW MODE. if you watched the games, westbrook doesnt seem like a great fit with harden and durant...in fact, he looks like iverson, waving off his teammates. Sure he had a few nice cuts with harden in the game, but if they had a legit 4 who they could throw the ball into, they could have seirously made some more noise. Also, they lack POISE, something a vet, and 2 time champ could have definitely helped with.

If OKC traded for gasol, they could be title contenders for the next 3 years, all while their young core could continue improving even more.

Your point about teams not in win now mode possibly looking to trade for players like gasol (an aging vet) is just unsound. It doesn't happen. Just because we on this board think a trade with the wiz would be ideal, there is no evidence that the wiz would consider this. young teams have young cores which grow together, ala OKC, portland. no teams are in rebuild/win now mode.

ps - im not tryin to be rude or aggressive or anything, i just love talkin b ball, and love the lakers!! And I love good back and forths as well. so...cheers!

Doormatt · Post #845 » by **Doormatt** » Sat May 28, 2011 11:09 am

It's hard to respond if you think Okc would entertain a westbrook--Gasol trade.

If they did wanna trade him, they could get more value than Gasol. Chances are theyd rather let their young team take it's lumps, grow together, and see where they are towards the end of their contracts.

I doubt they'd trade their young all star for a 30 year old PF. Do you really think after what they saw this post season that they'd have faith in motivating Gasol to play?

Rather we keep Gasol (unless we get a great offer) and let things play out.

Jetset · Post #846 » by **Jetset** » Sat May 28, 2011 12:22 pm

stankubrick13 wrote:ps - im not tryin to be rude or aggressive or anything, i just love talkin b ball, and love the lakers!! And I love good back and forths as well. so...cheers!

Amen to that. I'm always having to keep knuckleheads like AI-IN-LA and Doormatt in check, it's a tough job but someone has to do it :wink:

stankubrick13 wrote:In response to the last 2 replies...

first of all, young and unproven are completely different. rubio hasnt stepped a foot on an nba court and you all want to trade for him. wheres a player like steph curry , though young, has proven he can at least play with the big boys...that make sense? cant see why it wouldnt.

back to the topic of mcgrady, you guys are crazy if you think he's the same player he was. he cant guard a rock. he cant drive by a stiff, and he adds nothing to our team. we need more athleticism, not an aging chucker.

as for the gasol to OKC trade, if OKC had a 4 with some post moves, they might have actually had a half court offense that would have definitely helped as they struggled in key possessions. what you guys are missing is that OKC is young, but they are in WIN NOW MODE. if you watched the games, westbrook doesnt seem like a great fit with harden and durant...in fact, he looks like iverson, waving off his teammates. Sure he had a few nice cuts with harden in the game, but if they had a legit 4 who they could throw the ball into, they could have seirously made some more noise. Also, they lack POISE, something a vet, and 2 time champ could have definitely helped with.

If OKC traded for gasol, they could be title contenders for the next 3 years, all while their young core could continue improving even more.

Your point about teams not in win now mode possibly looking to trade for players like gasol (an aging vet) is just unsound. It doesn't happen. Just because we on this board think a trade with the wiz would be ideal, there is no evidence that the wiz would consider this. young teams have young cores which grow together, ala OKC, portland. no teams are in rebuild/win now mode.

All that really does sound great about OKC, but they're not trading Westbrook. Too much potential there and he could become a better player than anyone they end up trading for. Too risky.

While I'll agree with your last paragraph to an extent, I'll also disagree. I'll just use the Wiz as an example. That trade works out well for both teams, Washington is getting an enormously skilled veteran in Gasol to come in and contribute and be a veteran presence (he shouldn't be afraid of speaking since he doesn't have to worry about Bryant) and Gasol isn't your typical player. His game relies on his intelligence and savvy to score instead of athletic prowess so he can easily contribute to that team for a number of years. iirc Washington was looking to trade Blatche anyway, and what a better trade than for a prime Pau Gasol. Insert Gasol with McGee and a John Wall in his 2nd year and that's an instant playoff team. The only gripe about this trade from a Washington is their draft position in future drafts, especially the talent rich 2012 crowd.

No need to get into detail about how this benefits the Lakers because we already know how it does, we get a good young PF, 3pt shooter, and Knight.

You've got to realize that half the trades that are posted in this thread stand a 10% chance of happening. It's just that some trades are so incredibly terrible that they make the 10% almost look as if they're actually feasible.

Doormatt · Post #847 » by **Doormatt** » Sat May 28, 2011 1:10 pm

If anyone around here is keepin people in check, it's me. I'm like the enforcer of reason.

Doormatt · Post #848 » by **Doormatt** » Sat May 28, 2011 1:20 pm

Btw, tmac for the vet minimum is a good signing. Not asking him to do a lot, just 20 minutes of backup SG and occasionally playing the point with Kobe. He gives us playmaking and is actually not a bad defender.

I'd love tmac on this team, you could do a lot worse.

Mr Loggins · Post #849 » by **Mr Loggins** » Sat May 28, 2011 2:04 pm

AI-in-LA wrote:
stankubrick13 wrote:
3. for all of you who have Pau being potentially traded to teams that are rebuilding or very young, STOP. no tea, that is not in win now mode takes in pau's contract with his age and declining skills. only contenders will take pau. He is not going to a rebuilding wolves team. it ain't happening.

Not true ... many young and rebuilding teams would take him if it made sense, such as the Wizards.

[quote]

As a Cavs fan who has seen many trades involving us (not neccisarily by LAL fans) since we lucked out in the lottery, stankubrick is absolutely correct.

Rebuilding teams would take him, as AI-in-LA says, but they wouldnt offer anything of value for him. LA isn't going to get anything that will transition the lakers from the KObe lakers to the next era. AT best, I think, you'll make a lateral move -- something like Iggy (similar age, similar salaries).

I just don't see Pau as the type of guy to put ANY of the lottery teams over the top -- all he would due is take up all the cap space and any future flexability.

Jetset · Post #850 » by **Jetset** » Sat May 28, 2011 3:16 pm

^
Cool story bro. Cool story.

Ok, so I'm sifting through the world of RealGM and stumble upon a thread on the Bulls board that has them reportedly already looking to trade for Dwight. Well Orlando fans have also stumbled upon the thread and have been tearing any hopes they have of acquiring him to shreds. But what's amazing about the whole thing is that they're actually seeing us as viable contenders to land him, unlike how they were when the Dwight to LA stories first broke. They believe that for LA to get Howard it will cost Andrew Bynum AND Pau Gasol. And everyone (Bulls/Magic fans) seem to agree that a package of Bynum+Gasol is the best they'll get in return for Howard.

So my question to you guys are if we try to make a deal with Orlando for Howard and Otis Smith is much like the Orlando fans of RGM and demands both Bynum and Gasol would you do it? If we're able to keep Odom then I'd pull the trigger, but I'm interesting in hearing various opinions.

chefy · Post #851 » by **chefy** » Sat May 28, 2011 6:28 pm

stankubrick13 wrote:In response to the last 2 replies...

first of all, young and unproven are completely different. rubio hasnt stepped a foot on an nba court and you all want to trade for him. wheres a player like steph curry , though young, has proven he can at least play with the big boys...that make sense? cant see why it wouldnt.

back to the topic of mcgrady, you guys are crazy if you think he's the same player he was. he cant guard a rock. he cant drive by a stiff, and he adds nothing to our team. we need more athleticism, not an aging chucker.

as for the gasol to OKC trade, if OKC had a 4 with some post moves, they might have actually had a half court offense that would have definitely helped as they struggled in key possessions. what you guys are missing is that OKC is young, but they are in WIN NOW MODE. if you watched the games, westbrook doesnt seem like a great fit with harden and durant...in fact, he looks like iverson, waving off his teammates. Sure he had a few nice cuts with harden in the game, but if they had a legit 4 who they could throw the ball into, they could have seirously made some more noise. Also, they lack POISE, something a vet, and 2 time champ could have definitely helped with.

If OKC traded for gasol, they could be title contenders for the next 3 years, all while their young core could continue improving even more.

Your point about teams not in win now mode possibly looking to trade for players like gasol (an aging vet) is just unsound. It doesn't happen. Just because we on this board think a trade with the wiz would be ideal, there is no evidence that the wiz would consider this. young teams have young cores which grow together, ala OKC, portland. no teams are in rebuild/win now mode.

ps - im not tryin to be rude or aggressive or anything, i just love talkin b ball, and love the lakers!! And I love good back and forths as well. so...cheers!

trades between teams under the same conference especially playoff/contender teams rarely happen.

chefy · Post #852 » by **chefy** » Sat May 28, 2011 6:43 pm

probably

starting five would improve. but with odom moving to the starting lineup the bench would be weak. but....we do have the mle so yeah...

stankubrick13 · Post #853 » by **stankubrick13** » Sat May 28, 2011 9:10 pm

A few dwight howard scenarios...

I think if orlando wants to ask for gasol/bynum or bynum/odom...then they shouldnt expect us to take back a bad contract in say hedo turkoglu...if they want 2 potential all stars, i think a fair return package for say pau and bynum would be something like pau/bynum/caracter for howard/nelson/anderson/bass. I would ask for reddick instead of bass, but i dont think that would fly...in this scenario, we upgrade at center in dwight, we can start anderson at the 4 (thus still have odom off the bench) and we upgrade our pg spot considerably with nelson...

chefy · Post #854 » by **chefy** » Sat May 28, 2011 10:40 pm

if magic is going to trade howard, no way they'll package nelson along with him too.

Doormatt · Post #855 » by **Doormatt** » Sat May 28, 2011 10:49 pm

stankubrick13 wrote:A few dwight howard scenarios...

I think if orlando wants to ask for gasol/bynum or bynum/odom...then they shouldnt expect us to take back a bad contract in say hedo turkoglu...if they want 2 potential all stars, i think a fair return package for say pau and bynum would be something like pau/bynum/caracter for howard/nelson/anderson/bass. I would ask for reddick instead of bass, but i dont think that would fly...in this scenario, we upgrade at center in dwight, we can start anderson at the 4 (thus still have odom off the bench) and we upgrade our pg spot considerably with nelson...

No. Why would Orlando give us by far their 4 most valuable players? If that was what the lakers demanded, they'd probably look elsewhere, or maybe just let him walk.

Dwight is arguably the best player in the league and, imo, the MVP this year. He just had a season that puts him in the conversation with some GOAT centers. You take whatever Orlando offers you for whatever you can give. If we traded Gasol+Bynum I think we'd get back Howard+Hedo+Bass, or maybe Howard+Arenas, and I would do both in a heartbeat. Whatever it takes to get Dwight to LA.

Wed be VERY lucky to get Jameer or Anderson in any deal involving D12.

Jetset, link to said thread?

Doormatt · Post #856 » by **Doormatt** » Sat May 28, 2011 10:55 pm

I don't think the lakers have much of a realistic shot at Howard anymore. I think orlando might just let him walk rather than facilitate a trade to a place like LA or NJ.

Jetset · Post #857 » by **Jetset** » Sat May 28, 2011 11:02 pm

How do you figure that?

Post #858 » by **Maritimer** » Sat May 28, 2011 11:04 pm

hoops_32 wrote:What do you guys think about Jose Calderon? Would Blake,Walton and a 2nd round pick be enough to get him?

No, it wouldn't. We're not married to him by any means, but worse players with equal and longer contracts isn't going to do it.

Post #859 » by **TyCobb** » Sat May 28, 2011 11:31 pm

I bet you RealGM search Jose Calderon's name every few hours or so. Not married to him? Puuuhhllleeaaaseeeee.....

Post #860 » by **Maritimer** » Sun May 29, 2011 12:14 am

Huh? I came over here because someone posted the idea on the Raptors board, and I wanted to see if it was being discussed here.

Believe me, most Raptor fans around here are interested in moving Calderon and I'm certainly one of them. I just don't see a point in that particular trade for us...