Bobcats Picks Discussion (#9, #19, #39)

[freakon0mics]

Would not be disappointed with Burks and Faried in the 1st round.

Burks has the most potential in our draft range. The ability to get to the hoop makes him stand out from the rest. What concerns me is that he is the top SG in this draft. I won't be surprised to see one of the 8 teams, ahead of us, take him.

[hotrod]

I am gonna throw in my 2 cents here. If we would consider Burks at 9, I think we should then consider Brooks there also. I have read a few posters say that Brooks is not as athletic as others.That is not correct. If you think D Wade and James Harden are not athletic, then Brooks is more unathletic. Brooks has a better vertical than both those guys. I was surprised as well.

Now as far as Burks, Brooks beats him in every single athletic test and physical measurement except height. Burks towers over Brooks by .75 inches. Brooks has a better vertical than GH as well and can create his own scoring opportunities.

As far as comparing stats, Brooks does very well there also. He scores more, 24.6 ppg to 20.5 ppg. Brooks did average 5 minutes more a game though. I would say he had tougher competion though in the Big East vs Big 12. Brooks also shoots better from 2 and 3, 55.9 from 2pt & 34 from 3 pt. Burks shoots 50.8 from 2pt & 29.2 from 3pt. Brooks has 17.1 fga and Burks has 14.1.fga.

A lot of mocks have Brooks going in the 20's. He would be a steal at 19 if he lasts that long. I don't think he will. I think he is the best sg in the draft.

[bobcats3wallace]

How about thoughts on how the potential 3 way deal between the Cavs, Twolves and Pistons could affect us at 9? In case you hadn't heard, the deal is reported as the following:

Cavs in: Hamilton (buy out), #2
Cavs out: #4
Pistons in: TPE
Pistons out: #8
Twolves in: #4, #8
Twolves out: #2

For us it means that the Twolves would be the team picking immediately in front of us. I'm not sure if this is TOO much different than Detroit picking here, however I do think the Twolves MIGHT pick Burks at 8. They have Wes Johnson from last year, but i'm not sure he is really a true SG. They could probably use a guy like Burks there....

Thoughts on if this would really impact us and how?

[Diop]

Detroit aren't stupid enough to just sell their #8 pick are they?

Granted it is a lot of money being Hamilton's contract, but they're like us and need to add talent.
They would have to another deal planned surely. I think getting rid of Hamilton's contract will put them about $5mill under the cap, not enough to make a splash in free agency.

[bobcats3wallace]

Detroit aren't stupid enough to just sell their #8 pick are they?

Granted it is a lot of money being Hamilton's contract, but they're like us and need to add talent.
They would have to another deal planned surely. I think getting rid of Hamilton's contract will put them about $5mill under the cap, not enough to make a splash in free agency.

Seems like this is almost a done deal. Keep in mind they are trying to sell the team and are not in the best financial situation, they may be looking at it as a win win because they dump salary, and don't have to pay the 8th player in a weak draft. Personally I would value the 8th pick more, like you, but it wouldn't surprise me if the Pistons sold it off like that. Meanwhile, for the Cavs, this is a great trade and a great use of the TPE. THey get not one but two potential superstar players and things quickly start to look up. Irving and Williams on the same team would be something to see, add that in with Hickson and Cleveland might be a desirable place to be again. 10 years from now maybe they will be saying Lebron leaving wasn't such a bad thing after all....

[Diop]

Yeah Detroit is the only team I don't like for this trade ATM.

Maybe they will get #20 and Flynn from Minnesota as well.

[Eoghan]

I really don't think Burks is BPA enough to pick at #9 since we've already got Hender. I still say go best Euro available b/c if there was ever a draft to take one with potential and stash in Europe for a while it would be this one b/c of the potential lock out and b/c the Euro crop is due to start paying dividends again.

[Jaruff]

Yeah Detroit is the only team I don't like for this trade ATM.

Maybe they will get #20 and Flynn from Minnesota as well.

I could see Flynn going there since they need a PG with Stuckey probably on his way out.

If we could get involved in the deal, I'd do this:

CHA: Diop, Najera, 19th
DET: Gordon, 33rd

For us: We grab our Jamal Crawford with Gordon. He hasn't lived up to the new contract but a change of scenery should motivate him. Chicago Gordon is better than anyone that we could draft at 19. Diop and Najera are taking roster spots away from prospects. At 33, we'll have a chance to snatch up a player that fell out of the first round.

For Detroit: They drop salary and move back into the first round. They would probably offer Najera a buyout to clear a roster spot.

[Eoghan]

I'm almost convinced that Charlotte should draft Jeremy Tyler at 39 if he falls that far. Dude is huge, a beast, and who would be better mentors than Kwame and Oak?

[Jaruff]

I'm almost convinced that Charlotte should draft Jeremy Tyler at 39 if he falls that far. Dude is huge, a beast, and who would be better mentors than Kwame and Oak?

I've always liked Tyler and he's went up and down the draft boards over the past year. He had problems in Israel but he improved in Japan. He skipped his senior year of HS to go play professionally and I think he made the right decision.

One more year of HS + one year of college without being paid OR
One less year of HS + getting paid for two years.

[BigSlam]

I am gonna throw in my 2 cents here. If we would consider Burks at 9, I think we should then consider Brooks there also. I have read a few posters say that Brooks is not as athletic as others.That is not correct. If you think D Wade and James Harden are not athletic, then Brooks is more unathletic. Brooks has a better vertical than both those guys. I was surprised as well.

You are looking at the numbers too closely/relying on the combine numbers wayyyyyyyyyyyy too much hotrod.

You know that Durant had one of THE worst verts in his draft class (bottom 5 if I remember). Didn't look too shabby when he stuffed his junk down Haywoods face last week though!

[BigSlam]

I'm almost convinced that Charlotte should draft Jeremy Tyler at 39 if he falls that far. Dude is huge, a beast, and who would be better mentors than Kwame and Oak?

I'm down with him at #39 BD...................so long as Jordan Williams is off the board.

Tyler at #39 is ok - Tyler at #19 makes me skitish. There is a whole lot about him that I do not like.

[Jaruff]

I'm almost convinced that Charlotte should draft Jeremy Tyler at 39 if he falls that far. Dude is huge, a beast, and who would be better mentors than Kwame and Oak?

I'm down with him at #39 BD...................so long as Jordan Williams is off the board.

Tyler at #39 is ok - Tyler at #19 makes me skitish. There is a whole lot about him that I do not like.

Cool thing I just found out about Tyler.

Guess who the President of his Japanese team is? Former Carolina Panther Chris Hetherington. Also, Robert Swift is apparently part Japanese. The fun things you find out.

I would take Tyler even if Williams was still on the board. If his team had played a full schedule this season, I think he would be much higher on the rankings right now. Jordan screams Lonny Baxter and to me, Tyler is a better Kwame Brown. He's not great but he's a quality role player/spot starter that could evolve with the right coaching.

[Diop]

He's the perfect 2nd rounder really, he might be a complete bust but the upside looks good due to his physical attributes and young age. Low risk, high reward.

Saying that, I think he is more than likely going to be a bust but I wouldn't fault them for taking the risk.

[Kembastockton]

Burks or Singleton at nine
Hamilton or Brooks at nineteen
Goudeluck or Benson at thirty-nine

[ohara]

http://www.thefantasyninjas.com/?p=2874

Oh please let it be! This would be a great day for the Bobcats if this happens!

[bobcats3wallace]

http://www.thefantasyninjas.com/?p=2874

Oh please let it be! This would be a great day for the Bobcats if this happens!

I wouldn't be too pleased with that draft. I know many of you like Marshawn Brooks, but with Jordan Hamilton still on the board at 19, we have to take him. If the draft played out that way, the perfect picks for the Bobcats would be as follows:

9th: Jonas Valanciunas
19th: Jordan Hamilton
39th: David Lighty

We fill every need we have with that draft. We get a very talented big man, a scoring wing man to take over for Jack and a lights out shooter to provide a good change of pace to Hendo. New depth chart would look like this:
DJ/Liv
Hendo/Lighty/Carroll
Jack/Hamilton/Cunningham
Diaw/Thomas/DJW
Valanciunas/Diop

In my estimation that is an improved lineup from last year, and might even be enough to sneak into the playoffs as is. Of course free agents could also be added and other trades made. That would be my perfect draft though, if it fell the way that mock suggests.

[fatlever]

if we draft jonas at 9 we had better have plenty of other options at center. i dont see anyway he is an impact player next season, assuming he even comes to the nba next season.

[Badd_Intentions]

I will tell you this. If we draft a Euro, that doesn't come over next season there will be a HUGE backlash in the community. Even still if we take one when he does come over he'd better be the next coming of Dirk or things will get Nuclear.

We are not in a situation where we can stash players in Europe. The fan base in the area is far too fragile to pull that sort of thing off.

As for Jonas the player, i'm not against drafting him, but we must have a good handle on his buyout situation, which i'm sure we will if we take him.

[bobcats3wallace]

if we draft jonas at 9 we had better have plenty of other options at center. i dont see anyway he is an impact player next season, assuming he even comes to the nba next season.

I think he will come over next year and I think he will be ready to play. The guy is in the top 5 on most mock drafts and has the talent to be a really good C in the NBA. He is also tougher than most Euro C's. People want to talk about Kanter being tough but yet Jonas is clearly the better rebounder of the two. I mean it's a bit of a double standard. Jonas is farther along than Kanter in about every part of his game. Now if it's the concern about whether he will coem this year or not, I understand that. And I also agree that if he didn't then that would be a HUGE problem for the Bobcats. We need someone who will play next year. However, if he is going to play next year in the NBA, then he would probably be a steal at 9 considering most have him going over kanter in the top 5.

I do wonder about his contract though, wouldn't the Bobcats have to buy him out of his old contract to have him play here? These type issues would be about the only reason I would not draft him.