trade with Boston?

ddb · Post #1 » by **ddb** » Mon May 30, 2011 3:37 am

Would Phoenix do a Gortat, Brooks, Pietrus for J. O'Neal (expiring), Big Baby (S & T), A. Bradley (he'd be a top 5 pick this year if he stayed in school), #25 pick, 2012 Clippers pick owned by Boston?

IMO Phoenix needs to face the facts and rebuild. With this trade they basically acquire 3 picks (Bradley is 19 years old, #25, 2012 pick from LAC) along with a young PF with championship exp in Glen Davis and an expiring contract in J. O'Neal.

For Boston they acquire a new starting Center in Gortat, a wing defender in Pietrus who can backup R. Allen/Pierce, and a PG in Brooks who can spell Rondo and bring instant offense off the bench.

Rondo/Brooks
Allen/Pietrus
Pierce/Green/Pietrus
Garnett/Green
Gortat/Shaq? FA?

Not sure what Phoenix's rotation would be, but either way you guys need to rebuild....

thoughts?

KLEON · Post #2 » by **KLEON** » Mon May 30, 2011 3:46 am

No need for this - he was offering a trade deal

TASTIC

Miklo please lock this crap

ddb · Post #3 » by **ddb** » Mon May 30, 2011 3:52 am

Why do you think that's such a crazy trade idea?

Break it down. Gortat for Davis and O'Neal. Piertrus/Brooks for Bradley, #25, 2012 1st acquired from LAC in what is shaping up to be the strongest draft in years.

U would have #13, #25 this year and then next year your own pick and LAC's pick in a strong class. O'Neal is gone, you saved money in this trade and you also have A. Bradley who's going to be a nice player in this league. If he stayed in school he'd easily be a lottery pick this year.

Brooks is gonna leave Phoenix anyways, as will the other guys first chance they get.

I think this trade makes perfect sense for both teams.

KLEON wrote:Simply put: GET THE F**K OUT WITH THAT HOT GARBAGE!!!!!

Miklo please lock this crap

sunskerr · Post #4 » by **sunskerr** » Mon May 30, 2011 4:00 am

ddb wrote:Why do you think that's such a crazy trade idea?

Break it down. Gortat for Davis and O'Neal.

I think this trade makes perfect sense for both teams.

No.

Fo-Real · Post #5 » by **Fo-Real** » Mon May 30, 2011 4:11 am

ddb wrote:Why do you think that's such a crazy trade idea?

Break it down. Gortat for Davis and O'Neal. Piertrus/Brooks for Bradley, #25, 2012 1st acquired from LAC in what is shaping up to be the strongest draft in years.

U would have #13, #25 this year and then next year your own pick and LAC's pick in a strong class. O'Neal is gone, you saved money in this trade and you also have A. Bradley who's going to be a nice player in this league. If he stayed in school he'd easily be a lottery pick this year.

Brooks is gonna leave Phoenix anyways, as will the other guys first chance they get.

I think this trade makes perfect sense for both teams.

KLEON wrote:Simply put: GET THE F**K OUT WITH THAT HOT GARBAGE!!!!!

Miklo please lock this crap

Dude, please dont keep trying to explain and rationalize this trade for Phx. fans. There is not one fan on this board who would ever be in favor of having Davis on this team for one, I dont know if you thought he was a plus in this deal, we would'nt take him for free. Two, as harsh as that sounds about Davis, we feel 30 times worse about Oneal.... STEAMING HOT GARBAGE!!! and you think we would give up Gortat for them.... STOP IT!! Without the salary in the first half, the second half falls apart. Avery and the 25th pick for brooks is interesting for us to shed salary

DRK · Post #6 » by **DRK** » Mon May 30, 2011 4:22 am

ddb wrote:Would Phoenix do a Gortat, Brooks, Pietrus for J. O'Neal (expiring), Big Baby (S & T), A. Bradley (he'd be a top 5 pick this year if he stayed in school), #25 pick, 2012 Clippers pick owned by Boston?

IMO Phoenix needs to face the facts and rebuild. With this trade they basically acquire 3 picks (Bradley is 19 years old, #25, 2012 pick from LAC) along with a young PF with championship exp in Glen Davis and an expiring contract in J. O'Neal.

For Boston they acquire a new starting Center in Gortat, a wing defender in Pietrus who can backup R. Allen/Pierce, and a PG in Brooks who can spell Rondo and bring instant offense off the bench.

Rondo/Brooks
Allen/Pietrus
Pierce/Green/Pietrus
Garnett/Green
Gortat/Shaq? FA?

Not sure what Phoenix's rotation would be, but either way you guys need to rebuild....

thoughts?

Look, i understand where you're coming from... and I get your points. But the fact is Gortat is worth so much more to us than you realise. With Nash around, we won't be going into rebuild anytime soon, and Gortat is our now franchise center.

Sorry, Phoenix say no.

ddb · Post #7 » by **ddb** » Mon May 30, 2011 4:23 am

right, well obviously from the Celtics perspective this would be a blue-sky type of deal. So I get what you're saying. But the fact of the matter remains that Phoenix is an aging Steve Nash plus a bunch of role players. The Celtics need durable role players to play alongside KG, Pierce, Ray, and Rondo. Phoenix needs draft picks and financial flexibility. So perhaps a different variation of this trade would work ala, J. O'Neal, Jeff Green (S + T), Bradley, and #25 for Gortat, Dudley, Brooks. Something like that. IDK. All I'm saying is that I think Boston and Phoenix match up well for potential trades this offseason. A\

Fo-Real wrote:
ddb wrote:Why do you think that's such a crazy trade idea?

Break it down. Gortat for Davis and O'Neal. Piertrus/Brooks for Bradley, #25, 2012 1st acquired from LAC in what is shaping up to be the strongest draft in years.

U would have #13, #25 this year and then next year your own pick and LAC's pick in a strong class. O'Neal is gone, you saved money in this trade and you also have A. Bradley who's going to be a nice player in this league. If he stayed in school he'd easily be a lottery pick this year.

Brooks is gonna leave Phoenix anyways, as will the other guys first chance they get.

I think this trade makes perfect sense for both teams.

KLEON wrote:Simply put: GET THE F**K OUT WITH THAT HOT GARBAGE!!!!!

Miklo please lock this crap

Dude, please dont keep trying to explain and rationalize this trade for Phx. fans. There is not one fan on this board who would ever be in favor of having Davis on this team for one, I dont know if you thought he was a plus in this deal, we would'nt take him for free. Two, as harsh as that sounds about Davis, we feel 30 times worse about Oneal.... STEAMING HOT GARBAGE!!! and you think we would give up Gortat for them.... STOP IT!! Without the salary in the first half, the second half falls apart. Avery and the 25th pick for brooks is interesting for us to shed salary

DRK · Post #8 » by **DRK** » Mon May 30, 2011 4:24 am

Dudley and Gortat are NOT going to be packaged in any deal together. Sorry mate, but we aint trading the heart and soul of our team for Jeff Green and trash.

ddb · Post #9 » by **ddb** » Mon May 30, 2011 4:29 am

Alright. Well enjoy being the # 9 or 10 team in the west for another season before Steve Nash leaves or retires and you're left with a team stuck in the lottery.

To rebuild you need to trade players that have value ala Gortat and Dudley. I get what you're saying about Gortat and Dudley. They're good players. But they aren't going to win you many games. They aren't all-star caliber players and never will be. Face the facts.

I'd trade Nash while he has value, I'd deal 1 of your bigs (Gortat, Lopez, Frye) and I'd try to acquire as many draft picks and expiring contracts as possible because there's not a chance in hell the Phoenix Suns will be a contender again for a long time.

Just saying

Fo-Real · Post #10 » by **Fo-Real** » Mon May 30, 2011 4:29 am

Ok.... I'll say it in more direct terms. You arent getting Gortat for anything on the Celtics that you are willing to give up. Outside of KG, Rondo, no one else there fits here. You also cant have Duds as a throw in in any trade, THIS WHOLE BOARD LOVES THAT GUY!!!! If you want to talk signed and traded brooks, or Peitrus, or Warrick, keep typing. If you dont like any of those guys.... JUST STOP IT!!!!

ddb · Post #11 » by **ddb** » Mon May 30, 2011 4:35 am

I actually would like Brooks and/or Piertrus. Not Warrick. You guys are stuck with that contract. Only way a guy like Ainge absorbes that contract is if a guy like Gortat is coming with him.

And listen, I'm not trying to argue or anything like that. Just throwing ideas around. Looking across the league the fact remains that for Boston there are only a few teams that are good trading partners. Suns, Kings, Hornets, and maybe Houston. Those are 4 western teams in the lottery with a bunch of guys who could find a nice niche in this league on a team like Boston. Period. Those are also 4 teams that are stuck in no-mans land

Fo-Real wrote:Ok.... I'll say it in more direct terms. You arent getting Gortat for anything on the Celtics that you are willing to give up. Outside of KG, Rondo, no one else there fits here. You also cant have Duds as a throw in in any trade, THIS WHOLE BOARD LOVES THAT GUY!!!! If you want to talk signed and traded brooks, or Peitrus, or Warrick, keep typing. If you dont like any of those guys.... JUST STOP IT!!!!

DRK · Post #12 » by **DRK** » Mon May 30, 2011 4:35 am

ddb wrote:Alright. Well enjoy being the # 9 or 10 team in the west for another season before Steve Nash leaves or retires and you're left with a team stuck in the lottery.

To rebuild you need to trade players that have value ala Gortat and Dudley. I get what you're saying about Gortat and Dudley. They're good players. But they aren't going to win you many games. They aren't all-star caliber players and never will be. Face the facts.

I'd trade Nash while he has value, I'd deal 1 of your bigs (Gortat, Lopez, Frye) and I'd try to acquire as many draft picks and expiring contracts as possible because there's not a chance in hell the Phoenix Suns will be a contender again for a long time.

Just saying

So what does this trade do for you? Add more role players while trading away all your youth and picks. Face facts, Garnett, Allen and Pierce will be shells of their former self in about a year. You team would be Gortat, Green, Rondo, and Dudley..... who (except for Rondo) are all "role players.

ddb wrote:They're good players. But they aren't going to win you many games. They aren't all-star caliber players and never will be. Face the facts.

ddb · Post #13 » by **ddb** » Mon May 30, 2011 4:41 am

So how often do you watch the NBA. Are you being serious right now? First of all if the Celtics role players were healthy they'd still be playing. That didn't happen so o well. KG and Ray have 1 more year on their deals and they're more then capable of winning another title. Ray Allen is one the best conditioned players in the league who clearly can still shoot as good as anyone. Pierce can still score in bunches and KG is still a terrific defensive player who is capable of going off offensively here and there. I'm not denying that they're aging, but they're no different then your precisous Steve Nash in that they're still all-star players.

DRK wrote:
ddb wrote:Alright. Well enjoy being the # 9 or 10 team in the west for another season before Steve Nash leaves or retires and you're left with a team stuck in the lottery.

To rebuild you need to trade players that have value ala Gortat and Dudley. I get what you're saying about Gortat and Dudley. They're good players. But they aren't going to win you many games. They aren't all-star caliber players and never will be. Face the facts.

I'd trade Nash while he has value, I'd deal 1 of your bigs (Gortat, Lopez, Frye) and I'd try to acquire as many draft picks and expiring contracts as possible because there's not a chance in hell the Phoenix Suns will be a contender again for a long time.

Just saying

So what does this trade do for you? Add more role players while trading away all your youth and picks. Face facts, Garnett, Allen and Pierce will be shells of their former self in about a year. You team would be Gortat, Green, Rondo, and Dudley..... who (except for Rondo) are all "role players.

ddb wrote:They're good players. But they aren't going to win you many games. They aren't all-star caliber players and never will be. Face the facts.

DirtyDez · Post #14 » by **DirtyDez** » Mon May 30, 2011 4:41 am

ddb wrote:Alright. Well enjoy being the # 9 or 10 team in the west for another season before Steve Nash leaves or retires and you're left with a team stuck in the lottery.

To rebuild you need to trade players that have value ala Gortat and Dudley. I get what you're saying about Gortat and Dudley. They're good players. But they aren't going to win you many games. They aren't all-star caliber players and never will be. Face the facts.

I'd trade Nash while he has value, I'd deal 1 of your bigs (Gortat, Lopez, Frye) and I'd try to acquire as many draft picks and expiring contracts as possible because there's not a chance in hell the Phoenix Suns will be a contender again for a long time.

Just saying

You're right about that but it doesn't justify getting killed in a trade. I don't care about Dudley but Gortat has the potential to be an all star and the return we get from you is just garbage.

ddb · Post #15 » by **ddb** » Mon May 30, 2011 4:44 am

you're talking about a team that was 5 mins away from a title last season and lost mainly because Perk went down...and then a team that lost Rondo, Shaq, West, J Oneal and others for long stretches of games this year yet STILL was the top seed for the majority of the season and made it to the 2nd round.

Phoenix couldn't even get past San Antonio in their hay-day when Nash, Marion, and Amare were eating children on the court. So Phoenix and Boston are NOT on the same level. not even close. Part of the problem your front office has is they overvalue players. that's why they won't rebuild. Because in their minds they actually think they can still win....which is a huge joke

ddb · Post #16 » by **ddb** » Mon May 30, 2011 4:47 am

What type of trade would you be interested in if pressed to deal with boston? I'm just curious to see if it's a deal I'd be interested in as a Celtics fan.

DirtyDez wrote:
ddb wrote:Alright. Well enjoy being the # 9 or 10 team in the west for another season before Steve Nash leaves or retires and you're left with a team stuck in the lottery.

To rebuild you need to trade players that have value ala Gortat and Dudley. I get what you're saying about Gortat and Dudley. They're good players. But they aren't going to win you many games. They aren't all-star caliber players and never will be. Face the facts.

I'd trade Nash while he has value, I'd deal 1 of your bigs (Gortat, Lopez, Frye) and I'd try to acquire as many draft picks and expiring contracts as possible because there's not a chance in hell the Phoenix Suns will be a contender again for a long time.

Just saying

You're right about that but it doesn't justify getting killed in a trade. I don't care about Dudley but Gortat has the potential to be an all star and the return we get from you is just garbage.

JPHX · Post #17 » by **JPHX** » Mon May 30, 2011 4:50 am

phoenix fans will decide when its time to rebuild. dont tell us to "face the facts" and use that rationale to justify this pile of garbage offer you brought here.

Heres a counter offer:

VC + robin lopez for Ray allen.

ddb · Post #18 » by **ddb** » Mon May 30, 2011 4:53 am

Actually you're front office/ownership will decide. the fans have no say. They can also raise ticket prices if they want too. But first need to REBUILD!!!!!

Reason I'm even on this board is because I sorta like Phoenix. Obviously I'm a Celtics fan, but I'd like to see Phoenix do well.

JPHX wrote:phoenix fans will decide when its time to rebuild. dont tell us to "face the facts"

DRK · Post #19 » by **DRK** » Mon May 30, 2011 4:54 am

ddb wrote:So how often do you watch the NBA. Are you being serious right now? First of all if the Celtics role players were healthy they'd still be playing. That didn't happen so o well. KG and Ray have 1 more year on their deals and they're more then capable of winning another title. Ray Allen is one the best conditioned players in the league who clearly can still shoot as good as anyone. Pierce can still score in bunches and KG is still a terrific defensive player who is capable of going off offensively here and there. I'm not denying that they're aging, but they're no different then your precisous Steve Nash in that they're still all-star players.

Really? You're blaming you elimination on the fact that a couple of "role players" were injured? So if your "role players" were healthy you wouldn't have lost 4-1?

Yes. They are all great players, but the numbers they put up are really not worthy as "All Star" numbers. Hell, Wes Mathews put up the same numbers as Ray Allen but didnt get voted in, while Allen did.

These players aren't all stars because of their numbers, but because of their reputation. And currently, the whole Boston Celtics franchise is living off their reputation. Reality is, they're a second round team.

DRK · Post #20 » by **DRK** » Mon May 30, 2011 4:56 am

ddb wrote:What type of trade would you be interested in if pressed to deal with boston? I'm just curious to see if it's a deal I'd be interested in as a Celtics fan.

I would dig something along the lines of Pietrus and Brooks for Bradley, a re-signed Troy Murphy and next year's 1st?