Mehmet Okur

[myrak433]

what are you all team needs? and what would it take to get Mehmet Okur?

[blackham9258]

We aren't selling now. Memo is 3 years removed from an all star game and has a lot of years left.....

if

if

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he can return from this injury. If he does, we will be able to sell high.

You never sale low.

[Getjazz]

I you give the Jazz anything of value you can have him. I love the guy but he is finished.

[carrottop12]

Seriously, the guy is on the wrong side of 30, the wrong side of a bad back, and the wrong side of a catastrophic injury.

If you are the jazz, you probably trade him for a second round pick and are thrilled that you aren't giving him 10 mil next year.

Seriously, does anyone see him producing 10 mil of basketball this coming season?

[Matt007b]

To the original poster - our team needs from my opinion.. a center to back up Jefferson who can play defense and rebound, and a wing player that can shoot and get to the basket (a replacement for Raja Bell/CJ miles/replace AK if we lose him)

If we get anything out of Okur this year.. it'll be a good year for him.. (we're not expecting anything) but I hope he comes back, shocks everyone and contributes.

[Xsy]

Mehmet Okur?

I remember him.

[DelaneyRudd]

Memo is one of the professional athletes I will always remember the good times with. I also think he and AK are community guys. We would take cap space for him, but I don't think his career is over. I think he's Jarron Collins D with a 3 pointer. That's worth Francisco Elson's minutes.

[Kayariel]

he feels like in home in salt lake city and seriously thinks to retire in jazz uniform. if we don't trade him this year , he'll re-sign with a much acceptable salary. his work ethic can lead enes kanter if we draft him. next year's draft seems quite strong and the best scenario imo (because he's one of my favourite players) is trading him for a first round pick and re-signing him (if we need)

[myrak433]

To the original poster - our team needs from my opinion.. a center to back up Jefferson who can play defense and rebound, and a wing player that can shoot and get to the basket (a replacement for Raja Bell/CJ miles/replace AK if we lose him)

If we get anything out of Okur this year.. it'll be a good year for him.. (we're not expecting anything) but I hope he comes back, shocks everyone and contributes.

How about Marvin Williams and 2011 2nd round pick for Okur?

[dingojazz]

I don't really understand why people are saying Memo is done. Sure, his best days are probably behind him, but he is not done.

He just turned 32, and he never relied on athleticism, quickness or leaping ability. With his style of game, he can come back from his injuries. Don't forget, prior to his achilles injury, he was an iron man for the Jazz. In his first 6 years with the Jazz, he played in at least 72 games, including over 80 games 3 times. He has always been a guy that's in shape and ready to go.

Do you guys remember Sam Perkins? He played well into his 30's as a great role player. His role was to come off the bench, and be a deadly 3 point shooter, and he was only 6'9. I see no reason Memo can't continue to play that kind of role.

[myrak433]

To the original poster - our team needs from my opinion.. a center to back up Jefferson who can play defense and rebound, and a wing player that can shoot and get to the basket (a replacement for Raja Bell/CJ miles/replace AK if we lose him)

If we get anything out of Okur this year.. it'll be a good year for him.. (we're not expecting anything) but I hope he comes back, shocks everyone and contributes.

How about Marvin Williams and 2011 2nd round pick for Okur?

Well ??????????

[BiggMann]

I don't really understand why people are saying Memo is done. Sure, his best days are probably behind him, but he is not done.

He just turned 32, and he never relied on athleticism, quickness or leaping ability. With his style of game, he can come back from his injuries. Don't forget, prior to his achilles injury, he was an iron man for the Jazz. In his first 6 years with the Jazz, he played in at least 72 games, including over 80 games 3 times. He has always been a guy that's in shape and ready to go.

Do you guys remember Sam Perkins? He played well into his 30's as a great role player. His role was to come off the bench, and be a deadly 3 point shooter, and he was only 6'9. I see no reason Memo can't continue to play that kind of role.

I'm with you here, Memo could be a very valuable piece to a championship run, do i think the jazz are capableof that run? not really but as dingo said, think sam perkins, robert horry, even now with peja... every team needs someone like that, someone who stretches the court opens up lanes and hits open shots.

Memo is more than capable to play that back up 4\5 position... of all the rumors i've heard about Memo are garbage, his expiring contract is worth more than i'm seeing offers for.

[QuantumMacgyver]

To the original poster - our team needs from my opinion.. a center to back up Jefferson who can play defense and rebound, and a wing player that can shoot and get to the basket (a replacement for Raja Bell/CJ miles/replace AK if we lose him)

If we get anything out of Okur this year.. it'll be a good year for him.. (we're not expecting anything) but I hope he comes back, shocks everyone and contributes.

How about Marvin Williams and 2011 2nd round pick for Okur?

Well ??????????

Wait? Are you serious? We accept in a heart beat.

[Fido]

To the original poster - our team needs from my opinion.. a center to back up Jefferson who can play defense and rebound, and a wing player that can shoot and get to the basket (a replacement for Raja Bell/CJ miles/replace AK if we lose him)

If we get anything out of Okur this year.. it'll be a good year for him.. (we're not expecting anything) but I hope he comes back, shocks everyone and contributes.

How about Marvin Williams and 2011 2nd round pick for Okur?

Well ??????????

The lack of response probably means nobody is interested.

Never mind--looks like someone is interested.

[retiredcoach]

Done is the wrong word to describe Okur.

He's not Done as much as he is not likely to ever return to the level of play he was capable of before the injury.

The Jazz have spent over $10 mil on his recovery already. They should not spend another $10 mil to find out Okur is only 75% as effective, if that.

Bigs have hard time recovering from achilles injuries and returning to their pre-injury level of play. If the Jazz have an opportunity to trade him they should take it. But I doubt anyone is going to be willing to pay $10 plus million to see if Okur can help them.

At least he's only got one year left on his contract, but he gets to collect the entire $10 mil no matter how much or how little he plays or how well he performs.

[Fido]

Coach--I agree with your post generally--but in the case of the proposed Marvin Williams deal in this thread, I don't think it is worth taking his 3 years $24 mill+ contract (his 10-11 numbers were eerily similar to CJ Miles) and a 2nd rounder in a weak draft in exchange for 1 year $10 mill of Memo.

[retiredcoach]

by Fido on Tue May 31, 2011 10:23 am
Coach--I agree with your post generally--but in the case of the proposed Marvin Williams deal in this thread, I don't think it is worth taking his 3 years $24 mill+ contract (his 10-11 numbers were eerily similar to CJ Miles) and a 2nd rounder in a weak draft in exchange for 1 year $10 mill of Memo.

Fido I didn't look at that particular trade. I don't know if that would be a good deal. I'd have to look at the stats and film.

I was just commenting that Okur probably isn't going to play up to his $10 mil price and he's going to more than likely disappoint the fans too. If a decent trade comes along, it's probably a good idea to take it.

Personally, I hope he makes a full recovery, but I wouldn't bet on it.

[toyguc]

I don't really understand why people are saying Memo is done. Sure, his best days are probably behind him, but he is not done.

He just turned 32, and he never relied on athleticism, quickness or leaping ability. With his style of game, he can come back from his injuries. Don't forget, prior to his achilles injury, he was an iron man for the Jazz. In his first 6 years with the Jazz, he played in at least 72 games, including over 80 games 3 times. He has always been a guy that's in shape and ready to go.

Do you guys remember Sam Perkins? He played well into his 30's as a great role player. His role was to come off the bench, and be a deadly 3 point shooter, and he was only 6'9. I see no reason Memo can't continue to play that kind of role.

+1

[carrottop12]

He just turned 32, and he never relied on athleticism, quickness or leaping ability. With his style of game, he can come back from his injuries. Don't forget, prior to his achilles injury, he was an iron man for the Jazz.

I think you are severely underestimating the athleticism it takes to be in the NBA. You are correct that Memo wasn't ever a big time athlete, but he certainly relied on his athleticism to run the floor, relied on the strength in his legs to play in the post and rebound, and relied on his mobility to get around in the half court, and play the pick and roll.

You can't ignore the history of guys who have had this injury, the truth is they almost never return, and the ones who do aren't 30+ when they get hurt.

Elton Brand who is the best success story of guys coming back from the injury went from a 20 and 9 guy in 2007, to a 13 and 6 guy when he finally played another full season. Granted Brand had a shoulder injury that also figured in, but he also returned to the league to full strength at age 30, he was also able to play 30 minutes a night as a starter.

Okur didn't suffer the injury until he was 30, and he's going to be attempting to reenter the league at age 32. Okur also has other lingering injuries, specifically his back which only gets worse with age. At the best Memo is going to be a back up, and as our roster stands today he's the 4th big in our rotation behind Jefferson, Favors and Millsap, that's assuming we don't get another big in the draft. With the increased minutes for Favors, my guess is Okur is likely looking at 20 minutes per game as an absolute best, that's assuming he comes back completely healthy.

Elton Brand's 30 minutes upon return meant he lost about a quarter of his minutes, if Memo were to get 20 which I think would be the max would mean he's lost a third of his minutes. If he is a 15 minutes a night guy, he's lost half of his minutes. Brand dropped of 33% from his prior production after the injury, though he only lost 25% of his minutes, that would essentially make Okur a 9 and 4.5 guy if he only loses 33% of his minutes. But as I've already shown, getting a third of his minutes would mean he would have to play more minutes than will likely be available for him. If that's the case, you looking at an even bigger decrease in his stats.

Its not at all out of the realm of possibility that Memo has worse stats than 9/5 either. Honestly I think 9/5 would be absolutely best case scenario, and that is assuming he's able to come back as well as Brand did who was 2 years younger upon return.

Personally, I think he's done, I wouldn't be surprised if he gives it another go, but if we ever get 20 more games out of him I'd be shocked.

[hoops4life]

I am fine with Okur coming in off the bench for 20 minutes a night.