Official Andre Iguodala Trade Discussion and Rumors Thread

[SJSF]

One of 10 guys in the league to have better than 3:1 A/TO. Only guy over 6'4". Ditto of the 15 guys over 2.75:1.

Paul, Calderon, Kidd, Rondo, Nash, Augustin, Fisher, Lowry, Maynor, Iguodala, Conley, Williams, Miller, Felton, Lawson.

15 "ball stabilizers"

He's also the only person over 6'4" to average 6+ APG besides that Lebron guy.

To make any statement with Iggy and LeBron in the same sentence is a violation.

[SJSF]

GS wont' deal Wright for Iggy. Why would they. Iggy is way overpaid for what he does. And they won't take on salary unless they unload one. Ellis and Curry are 2 ball handlers and with Iggy there would be 3 ball handlers. Ellis is the go to scorer the Sixers actually need. ET at the sf would make for a solid backcourt.

[SJSF]

RE: Ellis

Golden State is trading him because he can't play shooting guard. Him and Holiday in the same backcourt would be swiss cheese.

Anyway, Ellis dominates the ball more than Iguodala. (His usage rate was 7 points higher than iguodala's this year)

If you are going to trade Iguodala for another high salary guard, at least do it for a shooter instead of a volume scorer like Ellis.

The guy took 20 shots a game and averaged 24 points. Gee is that really bad? And shot 36% from 3pt land. They are all the stats you need. And 79% from FT. 45% overall FG.

[Kobblehead]

If we trade for Ellis, one or both of Lou Williams and Turner will have to be dealt.

[Ruhiel]

If we trade for Ellis, one or both of Lou Williams and Turner will have to be dealt.

that would be a crazy backcourt. Baron Davis + monta all over again.

[sixerswillrule]

One of 10 guys in the league to have better than 3:1 A/TO. Only guy over 6'4". Ditto of the 15 guys over 2.75:1.

Paul, Calderon, Kidd, Rondo, Nash, Augustin, Fisher, Lowry, Maynor, Iguodala, Conley, Williams, Miller, Felton, Lawson.

15 "ball stabilizers"

He's also the only person over 6'4" to average 6+ APG besides that Lebron guy.

Which goes to show you how good of a decision maker he is because he doesn't have the ball skills of any of those guys. I feel as if you're not getting this.

I don't even consider Iguodala a ball handler because he can't do anything with the rock. He's more of a ball securer.

Making good decisions with the ball = ball skills
Making good decisions with the rock (i.e. leading to points) = doing something with the rock
Having one of the best assist to turnover ratios in the league and one of the best in NBA history for a 6'6" and over player = being a very good ball handler and playmaker.

[tgo2223]

Iggy does not have a very good handle. He has excellent ball security. His stats prove that he has excellent ball security but the ball handling are from the eye test.

We all can clearly see that iggy doesnt even have turners ball handling ability but turner doesnt have anywhere near the ball security that iggy has. Its two completely different things

[sixerswillrule]

And I'm saying that it's not right to equate the lack of fancy handles ("the eye test") with not being a good ball handler. If you turn the ball over a lot when you handle the ball, then you're not a very good ball handler. Ball security is part of it. Being a good ball handler means you make good decisions, you limit your mistakes, and you make plays. That's what Iguodala does. How effective you are is what matters, not how pretty it looks.

[Kobblehead]

Iggy does not have a very good handle. He has excellent ball security. His stats prove that he has excellent ball security but the ball handling are from the eye test.

We all can clearly see that iggy doesnt even have turners ball handling ability but turner doesnt have anywhere near the ball security that iggy has. Its two completely different things

Thank you.

[ZarcMumoff]

Hot Sauce is a good ball handler.

[sixerswillrule]

I don't even consider Iguodala a ball handler because he can't do anything with the rock. He's more of a ball securer.

Making good decisions with the rock (i.e. leading to points) = doing something with the rock

[PhilasFinest]

Hot Sauce is a good ball handler.

[Kobblehead]

Iguodala has elite court vision and he's a very good decision maker. That's why he racks up assists. That doesn't have anything to do with his handle. I don't understand why this is even being debated. He's arguably the worst isolation wing in the NBA among starting players. That's a direct indicator of the level of handle (or lack there of) he possesses.

[ZarcMumoff]

Iguodala has elite court vision and he's a very good decision maker. That's why he racks up assists. That doesn't have anything to do with his handle. I don't understand why this is even being debated. He's arguably the worst isolation wing in the NBA among starting players. That's a direct indicator of the level of handle (or lack there of) he possesses.

Hyperbole.

[sixerswillrule]

He's arguably the worst isolation wing in the NBA among starting players.

More ridiculous hyperbole just like the quote above.

And I repeat:

it's not right to equate the lack of fancy handles ("the eye test") with not being a good ball handler. If you turn the ball over a lot when you handle the ball, then you're not a very good ball handler. Ball security is part of it. Being a good ball handler means you make good decisions, you limit your mistakes, and you make plays. That's what Iguodala does. How effective you are is what matters, not how pretty it looks.

[Kobblehead]

Iguodala has elite court vision and he's a very good decision maker. That's why he racks up assists. That doesn't have anything to do with his handle. I don't understand why this is even being debated. He's arguably the worst isolation wing in the NBA among starting players. That's a direct indicator of the level of handle (or lack there of) he possesses.

Hyperbole.

I guess you missed the use of "arguably" as a disclaimer.

[sixerswillrule]

Iguodala has elite court vision and he's a very good decision maker. That's why he racks up assists. That doesn't have anything to do with his handle. I don't understand why this is even being debated. He's arguably the worst isolation wing in the NBA among starting players. That's a direct indicator of the level of handle (or lack there of) he possesses.

Hyperbole.

I guess you missed the use of "arguably" as a disclaimer.

No, it's still ridiculous hyperbole.

[ZarcMumoff]

Iguodala has elite court vision and he's a very good decision maker. That's why he racks up assists. That doesn't have anything to do with his handle. I don't understand why this is even being debated. He's arguably the worst isolation wing in the NBA among starting players. That's a direct indicator of the level of handle (or lack there of) he possesses.

Hyperbole.

I guess you missed the use of "arguably" as a disclaimer.

Once again, hyperbole.

[Kobblehead]

And I repeat:

And once again, being a ball securer and being a ball handler are two different things. A ball handler breaks down defenders and creates off the dribble. A ball securer limits his mistakes.

[sixerswillrule]

Saying that Iguodala is not a good ball-handler because he lacks visibly impressive handles is like saying Kevin Martin is not a good shooter because his form is ugly.