Mehmet Okur

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Re: Mehmet Okur 

Post#21 » by retiredcoach » Wed Jun 1, 2011 10:04 pm

by hoops4life on Wed Jun 01, 2011 1:38 pm
I am fine with Okur coming in off the bench for 20 minutes a night.


At $10.5 million a year?

For that price the Jazz can get two pretty good veterans, or two really good top draft picks. Same dollars much bigger contribution. Harris cost less than Okur and he's a top ten PG with experience.

What's Okur going to do with 20 minutes a game, scare other players?

$10.5 million a year is 35 minutes a night with 16 pts and 6 or 7 rebounds consistently. Not going to happen.
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Re: Mehmet Okur 

Post#22 » by carrottop12 » Wed Jun 1, 2011 10:33 pm

I hope Mehmet Okur doesn't turn into an Eric Maynor type trade where we move the 12 with Okur to get back some crap ass return money saving deal.

I doubt the Jazz would do that because they aren't projected to be in the lux tax, but again it's not my 10 million.
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Re: Mehmet Okur 

Post#23 » by hoops4life » Wed Jun 1, 2011 11:49 pm

retiredcoach wrote:
by hoops4life on Wed Jun 01, 2011 1:38 pm
I am fine with Okur coming in off the bench for 20 minutes a night.


At $10.5 million a year?

For that price the Jazz can get two pretty good veterans, or two really good top draft picks. Same dollars much bigger contribution. Harris cost less than Okur and he's a top ten PG with experience.

What's Okur going to do with 20 minutes a game, scare other players?

$10.5 million a year is 35 minutes a night with 16 pts and 6 or 7 rebounds consistently. Not going to happen.


I was talking about him coming back for 20 minutes a night or being out injured the rest of the season. I would be happy with the 20 minutes. I would love to have him back to his old self but that most likely isn't going to happen. At this point the $10.5 million is a sunk cost pretty much. It is an expiring deal. We need a veteran presences. We need a three point shooter.

I never said that I think he is a better player than Harris. I would argue that Harris is not a top 10 pg. There are quite a few I would rather have than him. In no order: Rondo, Paul, Williams, Wall, Rose, Westbrook, Evans, Nash, Kidd, and Billups. The last three are a little older but still valuable.

Sure... I would rather have to healthy veteran both at roughly $5.5 million each. What veteran is going to take $5.5 million to come play here? Nobody is lining up to take a discount and play for the Jazz. Have you seen the non-rookie players that make that range? They aren't exactly world beaters.

You could actually pay more than two rookies with that salary. But do you really want that many more rookies? I think that two last season and two this one is enough. Five this off season probably isn't the best idea.

I am sorry for trying to have a sunny disposition.
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Re: Mehmet Okur 

Post#24 » by Amish Mafioso » Thu Jun 2, 2011 1:36 am

Yeah, I think anyone hoping for Memo to return as a significant contributor is going to be very disappointed. His value will be as an expiring contract this year, period IMO.
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Re: Mehmet Okur 

Post#25 » by retiredcoach » Thu Jun 2, 2011 2:30 am

by hoops4life on Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:49 pm

I was talking about him coming back for 20 minutes a night or being out injured the rest of the season. I would be happy with the 20 minutes. I would love to have him back to his old self but that most likely isn't going to happen. At this point the $10.5 million is a sunk cost pretty much. It is an expiring deal. We need a veteran presences. We need a three point shooter.


Yep, the Jazz need a few veterans and some 3 pt shooting. The Jazz have the 3pt shooting in Hayward. Okur won't add much to the Jazz except size. If he can't be traded, then I agree with you that 20 minutes a night is better than nothing, but he'll hold the Jazz back, not move them forward. Okur's expiring contract might have value to some teams, and if he does make it all the way back, they've got a good player they can resign. For the Jazz it doesn't look good economically or for the remodeling.

I never said that I think he is a better player than Harris. I would argue that Harris is not a top 10 pg. There are quite a few I would rather have than him. In no order: Rondo, Paul, Williams, Wall, Rose, Westbrook, Evans, Nash, Kidd, and Billups. The last three are a little older but still valuable.


I didn't imply you said he was a better player than Harris. He's just paid more so it's a value comparison. With the careers of Nash, Billups and Kidd coming to an end, Harris is moves squarely into the top 10. Most NBA player rankings have him sitting between 10 and 12 now. He hasn't played more than a handful of games with the Jazz and already some fans want to trade him. Replaced by who. Wall, Rose, Williams Rondo and Paul ain't coming here so they aren't in the picture. He's the best point guard Utah can get for now. The rookies like Knight aren't likely to be a whole lot better and might not hang around after they actually become good like one D-Will.

Sure... I would rather have to healthy veteran both at roughly $5.5 million each. What veteran is going to take $5.5 million to come play here? Nobody is lining up to take a discount and play for the Jazz. Have you seen the non-rookie players that make that range? They aren't exactly world beaters.


There are roughly 430 NBA roster players. Of those around 350 make less than $5.5 mil a year. How many of them want to play in Utah, I don't know. I've looked closely at the salaries of various players and the Jazz could pick up one excellent player or two pretty good players or better for that pay. Everyone wanted to keep Kyle Korver. He makes $5 mil.

You could actually pay more than two rookies with that salary. But do you really want that many more rookies? I think that two last season and two this one is enough. Five this off season probably isn't the best idea.


If the choice is one half speed Okur or two high potential rookies, the rookies might be better. I'm not in favor of adding a bunch of rookies, and neither am I in favor of keeping Okur.

I am sorry for trying to have a sunny disposition.


My comments had nothing to do with your sunny disposition. I'm glad you have one. I was commenting on economics and small market teams.
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Re: Mehmet Okur 

Post#26 » by Ern III » Fri Jun 3, 2011 1:23 am

Like many others, I suspected his re-signing was a bad move and imprudent. He was almost statuesque by NBA standards, on an already bad defensive team, before he began being troubled by the achilles he eventually tore. We've no choice now but to cross fingers and hope he can contribute. At least until the deadline.

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