Bobcats Picks Discussion (#9, #19, #39)

ohara · Post #381 » by **ohara** » Wed Jun 1, 2011 1:31 am

Badd_Intentions wrote:Heres a question, Assuming we go big at 9 and at 19 Jimmer, Brooks, and Hamilton are on the board who do we take??

Hamilton, then Brooks, and then Jimmer. That is my order of preference.

Post #382 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Jun 1, 2011 1:37 am

ohara wrote:
Badd_Intentions wrote:Heres a question, Assuming we go big at 9 and at 19 Jimmer, Brooks, and Hamilton are on the board who do we take??

Hamilton, then Brooks, and then Jimmer. That is my order of preference.

Badd_Intentions · Post #383 » by **Badd_Intentions** » Wed Jun 1, 2011 2:15 am

I have been coveting Hamilton at 19 as well but have the feeling he will go in the 14-16 range. Would be nuts if we got Thompson and Hamilton lol. Hopefully that combo would pan out better than the Felton/May EwwNC combo

Post #384 » by **fatlever** » Wed Jun 1, 2011 2:24 am

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Valanciunas report from Lithuania is inaccurate. There is no set buyout amount yet. Negotiations ongoing. Both parties still holding firm.

Kembastockton · Post #385 » by **Kembastockton** » Wed Jun 1, 2011 4:29 am

Bassman wrote:
hotrod wrote:Not really going by the numbers, just used them to support my point. Brooks passes the eye test with me. The guy can flat out ball.

Great point Hotrod. Some guys may not be in ideal situations, but they just produce. I think Brooks has those qualities. Probably not the right pick at 9 unless he absolutely wows us and is rising into late lottery status. But I think he will be a player in the league. He could emulate other guys who were picked lower because of school/competition variables but became stars (Wade, Arenas), or be a guy who could flat out score in college but struggled in the NBA (a la Morris Almond).

Dwade was the number 5 pick of his draft.

Kembastockton · Post #386 » by **Kembastockton** » Wed Jun 1, 2011 4:41 am

bobcats3wallace wrote:
Badd_Intentions wrote:Heres a question, Assuming we go big at 9 and at 19 Jimmer, Brooks, and Hamilton are on the board who do we take??

Hamilton without a doubt! IF we could pull off getting Hamilton at 19 then I guess i could maybe live with Bioyumbo at 9...that's how happy I would be with Hamilton at 19.

I could live with that as well. But personally I would rather load up on perimeter players this year in preparation of the abundance of bigs that will be availabe next year.

SWedd523 · Post #387 » by **SWedd523** » Wed Jun 1, 2011 5:20 am

The abundance of bigs actually (likely) comes in two years. Next years draft only has one 6'10''+ player in the lottery.

The rising high school senior class has 6 in the top 14, a few of which I think are going to be fantastic NBA players. I had to go back to 2006 (Oden, Wright, Hawes, Lopez bros) before I found a class with so much height/size at the top of the list

Andre Drummond (6'10'') is going to be a fantastic NBA player. 6'10" 275lb as a 17 year old?! Watch some of his vids. He even brings the ball up the floor on breaks

DaJuan Coleman (6'10") is the non-psycho version of Cousins

Isaiah Austin (7'0") plays like Bargnani but with the ability to block shots and rebound.

and the white boys

Post #388 » by **Diop** » Wed Jun 1, 2011 5:55 am

And we still don't know what will happen with the Draft entry age under the new CBA.

Apparently the owners want to raise it.

Jaruff · Post #389 » by **Jaruff** » Wed Jun 1, 2011 6:26 am

Sachmo wrote:And we still don't know what will happen with the Draft entry age under the new CBA.

Apparently the owners want to raise it.

I doubt that will happen. I think it stays the same or they revert to the old system of letting HS players in.

Personally, I'd love to see the draft extended to 3-5 rounds and do it the way baseball does; the player can go back to college or start college if he's in HS. That way teams can stockpile the rights to young talent and player's aren't left in the cold when they make the mistake of turning pro too early.

ohara · Post #390 » by **ohara** » Wed Jun 1, 2011 12:15 pm

I heard discussion on Rivals Radio a couple weeks ago about some options being discussed on HS players. One option was to allow kids to go straight into the NBA if they opted, but it was do or die at that point. If they opted to go to college, then make it MANDATORY they attend at least 2 years. No more "one and done".

I like that option. Gives a kid with the real goods the ability to try to reach his dream if he is stimply not college material. Makes those that do go to college have to go at least 2 years so they hone their skills better. And that would be good for both the NBA as well as college. Get to see great players in college at least a couple of years.

doc.end · Post #391 » by **doc.end** » Wed Jun 1, 2011 3:18 pm

Rich4114 wrote:I would pass on this guy, we can't waste a pick on another guy who can't put the ball through the hoop. It's too bad he wasn't like 6'11". This guy's ceiling is Okafor it seems.

He doesn't play below the rim as Okafor at all.

ohara · Post #392 » by **ohara** » Wed Jun 1, 2011 9:45 pm

You know, I may be wrong, and have been many times before. But I have a funny feeling that Kemba Walker is on the board at #9, and off the board at #10. Just a feeling.

Bassman · Post #393 » by **Bassman** » Thu Jun 2, 2011 1:49 am

ohara wrote:You know, I may be wrong, and have been many times before. But I have a funny feeling that Kemba Walker is on the board at #9, and off the board at #10. Just a feeling.

I hope your feeling is a slight moment of indigestion. We do not need another midget PG, and while I think Kemba can contribute I think he's likely a change of pace reserve more than a starter (kinda how I feel about DJ).

Jaruff · Post #394 » by **Jaruff** » Thu Jun 2, 2011 4:19 am

ohara wrote:You know, I may be wrong, and have been many times before. But I have a funny feeling that Kemba Walker is on the board at #9, and off the board at #10. Just a feeling.

I have to agree with you. If he's available, I think we'll take him. I'm not saying it's the best pick for our team but I think MJ snaps at the opportunity to get someone like that. If it happens, I bet DJ is moved on draft night.

dmutombo321 · Post #395 » by **dmutombo321** » Thu Jun 2, 2011 4:29 am

I'm in the camp that doesnt want any part of Walker. With DJ already at the point, he would be redundant. He may well end up being the BPA at #9 but in this draft, that isnt saying much.

My hope is that we get lucky and have someone like Vesley or Valanciunus drop to us. Otherwise, we should just take Morris or Burks at 9 and then take whoever of Hamilton, Marshon Brooks or Jimmer is still on the board at 19.

Bizz · Post #396 » by **Bizz** » Thu Jun 2, 2011 11:15 am

I also have a feeling Walker will still be on board at #9. But for me its more of a wish than anything else. I can't understand why most of you guys hate us picking him at #9. Are there 9 better players? NO! Jonas Valanciunas is a project big just like Darko, Biendris and Tzikashvili. He may pan out and become a solid NBA C but he also may not. But what I know and am 100% sure is that he will not be a star in this league.

And we need stars. Who else is around 9th pick. Burks I like him and will not be disappointed if we pick him. But a defensive minded SG that can't shoot we have that in Henderson.

Vesely is nice but he won't be there at 9 and I think he will end up as a solid 3rd option on a contender, borderline allstar.

Marcus Morris Hell No!

Leonard solid a defensive minded SF with some offenseive skills. He can become an allstar type of player and I'm begining to warm up for him. But I still see Kemba as the better player.

Motiejunas a role player at best

Biyombo is the only player I would consider drafting over Walker. He is relativly unknown but he has the potential to be one of the best defensive bigs in the NBA. Every team could use a player like him. And while I belive he has more chances of becoming Taj Gibson than Ben Wallace in this draft I would be happy with Taj.

Singelton I like but at 9 is a reach and a future role player.

Therfore I would be estatic if we land Walker at 9. To me he is 3-5th best player in the draft. With an outside chance of being the best. Who else that could be available at 9 has that potential?

ohara · Post #397 » by **ohara** » Thu Jun 2, 2011 12:04 pm

Kemba is actually 1 inch taller than DJ, 6'0 to 6'1. But the 2 main reasons I think he is a Bobcat if still on the board at #9:
1. Silas said he wants this team to be much more up tempo and a running team. DJ can run, but not as fast as Kemba. Kemba can fly up the court.
2. MJ likes "swag". Kemba has it, and DJ does not. It is not a usually a bad think if you dont have it, but it is if your owner is MJ who had more swag than anyone else.

Maybe I am wrong and he does not fall to Charlotte. But Rubio coming to play in Minny takes away their thoughts on getting a PG from the Draft. Just one more spot for him to drop.

Snidely FC · Post #398 » by **Snidely FC** » Thu Jun 2, 2011 1:25 pm

agree that Kemba might be BPA talentwise at 9 BUT here's why I don't want him: opportunity cost. Kemba does have swag and if fo takes him he will be our star BUT I DON"T WANT HIM TO BE OUR STAR. I want Stephen Curry or Chris Paul or some stud from '12 '13. FO takes Kemba this yr they give him time like SAC did with Tyreke Evans to be the man and two three yrs go by and MJ realizes that for all Kemba's swag he's just not good enough to be our star. No give me a team piece this yr at 9 and save the gunpowder for someone we are SURE can be our transformational guy.

Post #399 » by **BigSlam** » Thu Jun 2, 2011 1:38 pm

ohara wrote:Kemba is actually 1 inch taller than DJ, 6'0 to 6'1. But the 2 main reasons I think he is a Bobcat if still on the board at #9:
1. Silas said he wants this team to be much more up tempo and a running team. DJ can run, but not as fast as Kemba. Kemba can fly up the court.
2. MJ likes "swag". Kemba has it, and DJ does not. It is not a usually a bad think if you dont have it, but it is if your owner is MJ who had more swag than anyone else.

Maybe I am wrong and he does not fall to Charlotte. But Rubio coming to play in Minny takes away their thoughts on getting a PG from the Draft. Just one more spot for him to drop.

1. IF Walker is quicker than DJ (and I don't think he is) it would actually be a bad thing. We've seen DJ lead the break time and time again and his team mates can't keep up with him or react quick enough so he ends up having to hold the ball up. If Walker is as fast or faster then that problem will continue to exist - and considering Walker isn't a very good actual point guard, probably be magnified.

2. I agree with this - Walker does have swag..............and it's appealing. But like I have said: so does Felton and so does TJ Ford and it didn't do them a lick of good - in fact, it probably held them back IMO.

ohara · Post #400 » by **ohara** » Thu Jun 2, 2011 3:26 pm

I get what you are saying Slam, and maybe your are right. But I think that Kemba is just a much better version of DJ. And if we get Kemba, I think DJ is gone in a trade for another pick. I think the FO would really like a 3 pt shooter and a big. I can see them salavating for Marshon Books and Vucevic with picks at #19 and another pick around #20-#23 where they trade away DJ and #39.

Kemba, Brooks and Vucevic would be a very nice draft. A souped up DJ, a scorer and a big who can all 3 get some quality playing time as Rookies. That would add something to the youth we are building around and they would be fun to watch.