Official Offseason Thread 2.0

[Stix]

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/29749500

Interesting read...

Parting with Gortat, Frye or Lopez shouldn't be a deal-breaker in this trade scenario. If it's Gortat, acquiring some other asset in return would be necessary, as his value as a player is greater than jumping up 10 spots in a weak draft. Frye and Lopez, though, are who they are and should certainly be on the table. In Frye's case, he was signed to a long-term contract that carries him through 2014-2015. Getting out of that salary commitment might not be the worst thing in the world if Phoenix does intend to undergo a rebuilding process.

A trade like this makes all sorts of sense from Minnesota's standpoint. If they could add either Gortat or Lopez plus pick up Burks or Thompson at No. 13 that's a very good return on the rights to the No. 2 pick. Getting McGee plus Leonard or Burks for the rights to Williams would be even better.

I don't like the idea of giving up Gortat unless we get back more than the #2... he is our biggest asset and is a coveted piece all around the NBA. I remember when we first acquired him, there was talks of management getting calls for Gortat. We should hang onto him, I'm sure we can get a better deal than what the Wolves would give us for him.

I wouldn't mind giving up Lopez or Frye though. If they want 'em they can have 'em. Frye isn't the right fit for the Wolves, so I have my doubts of a trade being made where Frye is traded for the #2. That leaves Sideshow Rob, its just too bad he had a bad year or else his stock would be higher and we would actually have some leverage here, but that's not the case. He sucked donkey nuts last year and it would be close to impossible to sell the Wolves on him.

Negotiations look grim... unless we give up Gortat which is probably our only option if we really want to get #2. As stated before... we'd need more than just the #2. You have to keep adding and subtracting pieces to get the deal to work, and that can get really hairy.

[BurningHeart]

If we're trading Gortat, I need a sure thing coming back. And even then, I'd probably still be pissed.

[thamadkant]

If Wolves want Nash and Gortat..

They have to send...

No.2 + Flynn + Pekovic + A.Randolph + 2012 Top 10 Protected


I dont want to part with Gortat, but with Nash... Wolves will be a playoff team so its not that bad for Nash and Gortat they wont be against the trade, especially if they have talented team mates that they both can be leaders of.


Suns instant rebuild.. and have ASSETS just in case Hornets or another team gets desperate to trade their stars... and if not... Suns just keep them and build a new core ready in 2-3 seasons time.

[BurningHeart]

I swear to God I'll kill myself if that were to happen.

[Kerrsed]

I hate to do this, but here is my first and only complete blow up with Gortat leaving.

Nash to Portland for Miller/Williams/#20/2013 1st.
Miller gets his team option declined and resigns with Portland.

Lopez to Memphis for Mayo straight up.
Memphis sheds a little salary (about $3M difference per year for the next 2 years and get a legit young back-up C for Gasol, which they just free'd up money to re-sign.

Send Gortat to Minnesota for Flynn/Randolph/#2.
This one hurts. Gives the Wolves their C to put next to Love.

Trade Frye/Pietrus/#13 to Denver for Birdman/Mozgof/#22.
They clear space with Pietrus's expiring to help pay Nene, and pick up a PF in Frye that can start, while moving up in the draft.

Draft Williams @ #2.
Draft Tyler @ #20.
Draft D.Morris @ #22.

Brooks/Flynn/Morris
Mayo/Dudley/Williams
Williams/Childress
Randolph/Lawal/Warrick
Birdman/Tyler/Mozgof

[#1 pick]

Could you people STOP putting Nash in trades with the Wolves, its becoming very annoying. The Wolves want a veteran big man for the # 2 pick not a veteran PG.

Yeah he will never wear a Wolves uni. They won't give up #2 for him and we won't trade him without #2 being involved.

I think R. Lopez and Nash for #2 and Flynn is reasonable. No way will I trade Gortat. No way.

[#1 pick]

No way in hell is Minny trading the #2 and not getting Nash. He's their only option they really like. R. Lopez will get you the #2, LOL. Get serious fellas. So many teams can top that in a heartbeat. #2 and Flynn for Nash Lopez is reasonable like I just said.

[#1 pick]

I'm one of the few who feel that we shouldnt trade Nash. However; if the wolves are offering #2, Beasley and Flynn for Nash and the #13 pick. I would do that in a heart beat.

I don't think they'd offer the No. 2 and Beasley. Because essentially, Beasley and Williams are pretty identical players.

Your correct, but you can package #2 and Vince Carter expiring for someone like Al Harford sice the Hawks are in desperate need of salary relief. A lineup of Flynn,Dudley,Beasley,Harford and Gortat

God damn this is garbage. Gtfoh with this trash. Atlanta isn't trading Horford unless Dwight Howard is attached. Smith, no. Not for anything on Phx roster. Maybe Hinrich for Nash but that doesn't make sense for Phx in the slightest.

[Revived]

^^Are you a Timberwolves fan?

[#1 pick]

^^Are you a Timberwolves fan?

Hawks fan.

Why? I don't understand what's wrong with that trade. Flynn has good potential. I don't see a potentially very good PG but a potential good one. Williams can be an elite PnR player. He's really a PnR dynamo. No way anyone but Nash or Gortat will rattle Minny cage. Gortat shouldn't be traded. solid center who can potentially be a good center. He's a hell of a talent and if PHX trade him, they are (Please Use More Appropriate Word). Nash is a very good player but he's old, only has one or two years left. Phx needs to rebuild, they aren't good enough to contend with him or even make the playoff as well. What other offer will top this one?

[TASTIC]

There's no chance MIN does that Gortat deal Kerrsed...none

[BobbieL]

You don't trade Williams for nash - that defeats the purpose of dealing for Williams

Now, if the Twolves want Dudley and Lopez - you answer the call

If the Twolves want Frye and the 13th pick- you answer the call

I don't think the Twolves will make this trade but the Twolves have enough young forwards - they do need experience. I think Lopez and the 13th pick is the basis - its just whether the Suns part with the JYD to get this thing done

As for Johnny Flynn and Randolph for Nash -- umm, never.

[Calvin Klein]

Brooks/Flynn/Morris
Mayo/Dudley/Williams
Williams/Childress
Randolph/Lawal/Warrick
Birdman/Tyler/Mozgof

oh no.

[Frank Lee]

There's no chance MIN does that Gortat deal Kerrsed...none

And no chance Memphis does either.... Come on Kerrsed... Lowpez ? The same big man who had back surgery and lost 1/3 of his vertical jump... ? The same Lowpez who went from 20-25 minutes per game to a forced 10-15 in a pseudo starting role ?

Lowpez is fodder at the best... one on one trading will only yield a player who is equally disappointing to his team. We cant expect 2010 value for him, until he proves otherwise.

Nuts on that Denver deal too.


Furthermore, I dont see how Lopez would have any benefit in Minny right now.... they have Darko, Peko, and Tolliver... all more preferable to 'The AnchorMan' .

Nope... I think the wolves are fishing for Nash and Gortat.

If Kahn could pull that off w/o giving up Love and Beasley,(his rumored intention) they would be doing cartwheels up there.

Add a SG like JR Smith on the MLE... what ?

Nash, Smith, Beasley, Love, Gortat... with Rubio, Ridnour, Milicic, Tolliver, ARand, Webster, etc on the bench.... Thats a 'take notice' ball club... and really, a better squad than what we could field. What if they could convince Hill to go too ? Holy smokes.

They'd be howling. Their arena would be packed and rowdy. I can see the benefit even if Nash is a rental. It instantly recharges their fan base giving them relevancy. They'd still have a slight chance Nash stays... or certainly a decent one to sign and trade him (bird rights ?) I believe some people may be overlooking Nash's future value as a trade piece. May be wrong though.... where's my un-assembled grill?


I have to think a Brooks deal has already been struck. Or at least 'like' to think.

[Fo-Real]

Hey guys, this whole T Wolves trade partner isnt going to work. Unless they have some hard on for Frye, and or Peitrus, and or Lopez, this isnt going to work. If we give them Nash, there is no way we can get fair value in return, because no one values him more than us. Getting another tiny Pg. back compleetly goes against the new defensive movement and i really dont want 2 tiny ass pgs. on the team in Brooks and Flynn. If the deal surrounds Gortat, what the hell can they give us back that will then fill the new and before him old gaping hole at C. ? They have been very smart about thier trades lately and surely arent giving up Rubio, Beasly, or Love. I really doubt the #2 pick is even in play here and if so it would mean us giving up Gortat or Nash and probably our 13 pick. If it did involve the pick, we arent going to get the #2 and a good player, thats too much for them, so its something like Gortat or Nash for the #2, thats it!! Khan is playing chess, and our front office is playing checkers, we will lose on this one. Forget about Minny!!

[JohnVancouver]

Good point! I thought there was no way in hell we could dump Hedo-

as was pointed out, last year every 'untradeable' contract was .... traded

[JohnVancouver]

Really hard to trade with Minny due to salaries and players - which sounds stupid, I know. What I mean by that is whatever we send them that they want weakens us tremendously and vice versa, and they have so many cheapo salaries it's hard to get what everyone wants/needs and have the money match up

And - if you do sent them Nash and get Love back, if he's saying he won't resign there - you run the risk of being exactly the same team we are now, 40-45 wins, 1st round exit maybe or meh lottery pick.

Or Nash and Gortat and 13 for Flynn, Pekovich and Beasley, 2 and 20 - wolves get a big man and a mentor for Rubio who is stil a highly efficient PG and the two of them will put fans in seats. They take a PF with the 13 beucse we want Beasley and the 2, which is going to be Williams. So they get hind tit

But what else works? Not much

Minny is ahead in some regards and we can deal the #2 or take Williams, use the 13 for Biyombo or Tyler or Singleton or Markieff/Marcus ... or Burks if avail ... and the 20 for Reggie Jackson or DMorris

Deal Brooks ....


but Sweet Yeshua bar Yosef, what a can of worms. You'd have burning effigies outside the arena in PHX and the execs woudl need to travel under armed guard

But if anyone is up for a deal it's kahn, and maybe us


lastly - how does the trading of picks work - is the guaranteed salary just added in?

[jlove_26]

Really hard to trade with Minny due to salaries and players - which sounds stupid, I know. What I mean by that is whatever we send them that they want weakens us tremendously and vice versa, and they have so many cheapo salaries it's hard to get what everyone wants/needs and have the money match up

And - if you do sent them Nash and get Love back, if he's saying he won't resign there - you run the risk of being exactly the same team we are now, 40-45 wins, 1st round exit maybe or meh lottery pick.

Or Nash and Gortat and 13 for Flynn, Pekovich and Beasley, 2 and 20 - wolves get a big man and a mentor for Rubio who is stil a highly efficient PG and the two of them will put fans in seats. They take a PF with the 13 beucse we want Beasley and the 2, which is going to be Williams. So they get hind tit

But what else works? Not much

Minny is ahead in some regards and we can deal the #2 or take Williams, use the 13 for Biyombo or Tyler or Singleton or Markieff/Marcus ... or Burks if avail ... and the 20 for Reggie Jackson or DMorris
Deal Brooks ....


but Sweet Yeshua bar Yosef, what a can of worms. You'd have burning effigies outside the arena in PHX and the execs woudl need to travel under armed guard

But if anyone is up for a deal it's kahn, and maybe us


lastly - how does the trading of picks work - is the guaranteed salary just added in?

If something happens and we can get the #2 and #20 (preferably without having to give up #13)

I would either trade with Cavs (for #4 and Hickson or #4 and #8 if they can pull the deal with Pistons) or take D Williams (preferably I'd rather deal for either Cavs trades)

If we take Williams, then at #13 take either Fredette or Biyombo (one has to be there)

At #20 (if we take Fredette) we go after a big........Tyler (1st choice) or Singleton (2nd choice)
At #20 (if we take Biyombo) we go after a PG.........Shumpert (1st choice) or R Jackson (2nd choice)

[Frank Lee]

To show interest in Flynn diminishes the value of Brooks (to us) and thus any leverage/bluff/intention we may have in retaining him. Or may be it causes low ball offers to Aaron ?

This is a confusing rumor, but perhaps part of a bigger plan where a Brooks deal is contingent on acquiring Flynn ?

I doubt Minny would deal Beasley and #2... essentially, Williams and Beasley are redundant... But put Nash and Gortat on Minny and they become instantly entertaining and likely the hottest ticket in town. Tv games, season tickets, merchandise... toss in Rubio and its crazy up there. And if they start winning? Sheesh, Kahn will look wrath-ish. Especially if it helps keep Love in town. Winning does a lot for attitudes.

For that they have to give up value as just the opposite happens to us. The #2, Flynn, and ??? No sir, the over all impact says pony up our choice of Bigs (sans Love) and another pick somewhere..... and we shouldnt have to give #13. Or is it just Love and Flynn, no pick?

This is a genius marketing move by Kahn, and it will not dilute his talent base even if Nash is one and done. They already have too many young bigs... I do not look for this rumor to die, unless it mushrooms into reality and Babby flat out has to deny it to soothe Nash. Make this deal, and it is surly the first of a couple for us..

Think of it... If we were to get a future 1st from Minny, then trade #2 for #4 and another future 1st from Cleveland.... we could walk with #4, 2 future 1sts, and a couple of decent players for Nash and theGortat. Not a bad way to begin a rebuild. Sad but not bad. Feasible or fantasy ?




Something is cooking in Babby-land. Is it a full course meal... or just a'la carte ?

[Qwigglez]

If Wolves want Nash and Gortat..

They have to send...

No.2 + Flynn + Pekovic + A.Randolph + 2012 Top 10 Protected


I dont want to part with Gortat, but with Nash... Wolves will be a playoff team so its not that bad for Nash and Gortat they wont be against the trade, especially if they have talented team mates that they both can be leaders of.


Suns instant rebuild.. and have ASSETS just in case Hornets or another team gets desperate to trade their stars... and if not... Suns just keep them and build a new core ready in 2-3 seasons time.

You can't trade this year's pick and next years, it has to be every other year.
If the Suns did that trade, the front office would get torn a new butthole. We'd be worst than the Timberwolves were last year.