Why did we trade him
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If Deron would have ever shown some loyalty they would never have made the trade.
If Deron would have ever indicated that he wanted to stay they would never have made the trade.
I'm sure there was a lot more behind the scene stuff that clearly indicated that he was going to bolt, or they never would have made the trade.
besides Deron always seemed like a D-bag me first a--hole.
I'm happy as a clam to see both Deron and the black hole named Boozer off my favorite team.
I LOVE the way they handled it and got value before he turned the Jazz into the Nuggets/Cavs.
Perfect.
If Deron would have ever indicated that he wanted to stay they would never have made the trade.
I'm sure there was a lot more behind the scene stuff that clearly indicated that he was going to bolt, or they never would have made the trade.
besides Deron always seemed like a D-bag me first a--hole.
I'm happy as a clam to see both Deron and the black hole named Boozer off my favorite team.
I LOVE the way they handled it and got value before he turned the Jazz into the Nuggets/Cavs.
Perfect.
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Deron periodically threw out that he was going to leave his options open for free agency again and showed no desire to extend. How many times did he make the comment about seeing who the team was going to surround him with before making a commitment.
Now add on "the decision" followed by Melo and you absolutely see Deron doing the same thing. He is also doing the same thing in New Jersey that he was doing here. I love that they put the team first and made a move while there was so much in value coming back in return. Sorry to the Deron lovers but this is why the team is able to survive in a small market--they make the best decision for the team, not cave into the star player and their demands only to STILL see them walk to a better situation for them. I understand players doing what is best for them--but so must the teams since the players generally don't care about the team.
Now add on "the decision" followed by Melo and you absolutely see Deron doing the same thing. He is also doing the same thing in New Jersey that he was doing here. I love that they put the team first and made a move while there was so much in value coming back in return. Sorry to the Deron lovers but this is why the team is able to survive in a small market--they make the best decision for the team, not cave into the star player and their demands only to STILL see them walk to a better situation for them. I understand players doing what is best for them--but so must the teams since the players generally don't care about the team.
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this coming from a person with a sundiata sig... lol. let it go man.
the answer to your question is simple Favors and #3 > deron
the answer to your question is simple Favors and #3 > deron
Bye Bye Sloan, Good Riddance Deron. Hello new Era in Jazz Basketball.
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idajazz wrote:If Deron would have ever shown some loyalty they would never have made the trade.
If Deron would have ever indicated that he wanted to stay they would never have made the trade.
I'm sure there was a lot more behind the scene stuff that clearly indicated that he was going to bolt, or they never would have made the trade.
besides Deron always seemed like a D-bag me first a--hole.
I'm happy as a clam to see both Deron and the black hole named Boozer off my favorite team.
I LOVE the way they handled it and got value before he turned the Jazz into the Nuggets/Cavs.
Perfect.
I dont see it that way at all. Deron made Salt Lake City his home in the offseason. He actively recruited for Salt Lake City and the Jazz. He established charity games and fan functions here. He was a great ambassador for the Jazz, A-hole personality or no. He never pulled a Boozer and disappeared for months on end with no communication.
As for the "keep options open" stuff, what player doesnt do that??? What player says, 2 years before his contract is up, "yeah where do I sign? Show me where to sign!!!"
Deron always said he wanted to play his whole career here. He also said he just wanted to win. It became apparent to both he and Sloan, and anyone with a brain, that we weren't going to win with the bed we had to sleep in that our management had made for us. That's why Sloan is not here. That's why Williams was traded. Remember, people are happy as clams when we are winning, and not happy when we arent. Last year's team was going no where. And we only had a 27-14 record early because of WILLIAMS.
Love him or hate him, our problems are not Deron Williams' fault.
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I will also say....if Williams was to blame, and not management....Sloan would have stayed with the team and we would have just traded Williams. Sloan WALKED OUT ON THE JAZZ, and so did Johnson. That tells you something is wrong with the organization.
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DWill_daShizzle wrote:I dont see it that way at all. Deron made Salt Lake City his home in the offseason. He actively recruited for Salt Lake City and the Jazz. He established charity games and fan functions here. He was a great ambassador for the Jazz, A-hole personality or no. He never pulled a Boozer and disappeared for months on end with no communication.
I think people are quickly forgetting how much effort Deron put into being a part of the community.
Again, I'm trying to be optimistic about the team moving forward and I hope this new direction works out, but as I said before, barring a championship, I'm going to forever question whether they made the right decision.

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Having traded away many of Utah's legitimate assets the previous season for salary relief, the Jazz were in no position to build a contending team, even with Williams in tow. Given the package NJ was willing to offer, and given the high likelihood that Deron could leave after next season with no compensation to the Jazz, and given that they may not have the opportunity to trade him in the interim due to an impending lockout, it actually would have been irresponsible for management not to make the trade they did.
The move was made as the result of shrewd analysis of the reality of the situation. The Jazz now stand poised to build a team which may contend for the next ten years. I'll always be a fan of D-Will; he's an amazing player and a fierce competitor, but the trade was the right move at the right time for the Jazz.
The move was made as the result of shrewd analysis of the reality of the situation. The Jazz now stand poised to build a team which may contend for the next ten years. I'll always be a fan of D-Will; he's an amazing player and a fierce competitor, but the trade was the right move at the right time for the Jazz.
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HappyProle wrote:DWill_daShizzle wrote:I dont see it that way at all. Deron made Salt Lake City his home in the offseason. He actively recruited for Salt Lake City and the Jazz. He established charity games and fan functions here. He was a great ambassador for the Jazz, A-hole personality or no. He never pulled a Boozer and disappeared for months on end with no communication.
I think people are quickly forgetting how much effort Deron put into being a part of the community.
Again, I'm trying to be optimistic about the team moving forward and I hope this new direction works out, but as I said before, barring a championship, I'm going to forever question whether they made the right decision.
No kidding. People have bad memories. That, or they need scapegoats for their problems....
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kamazilla wrote:Having traded away many of Utah's legitimate assets the previous season for salary relief, the Jazz were in no position to build a contending team, even with Williams in tow. Given the package NJ was willing to offer, and given the high likelihood that Deron could leave after next season with no compensation to the Jazz, and given that they may not have the opportunity to trade him in the interim due to an impending lockout, it actually would have been irresponsible for management not to make the trade they did.
The move was made as the result of shrewd analysis of the reality of the situation. The Jazz now stand poised to build a team which may contend for the next ten years. I'll always be a fan of D-Will; he's an amazing player and a fierce competitor, but the trade was the right move at the right time for the Jazz.
I agree. The move needed to be made. It just sucks because we could have avoided the mistakes that made trading Deron Williams necessary.
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#1 Sign of a Rookie Owner/Manager
--Fails to manage and difuse personnel situations before they reach the volcanic stage, and
--Fails to accept full responsibility for said failure and instead blames the parties involved.
I am 100% confident that Sloan was madder at Greg Miller than Deron Williams, and his resignation was a vote of "no cofidence" in the new owner. Deron is definately a punk for the way he acted toward Sloan in the Chicago game, but this whole thing could have been avoided.
That being said, the trade may have been worth it, in terms of benefiting the Jazz.
--Fails to manage and difuse personnel situations before they reach the volcanic stage, and
--Fails to accept full responsibility for said failure and instead blames the parties involved.
I am 100% confident that Sloan was madder at Greg Miller than Deron Williams, and his resignation was a vote of "no cofidence" in the new owner. Deron is definately a punk for the way he acted toward Sloan in the Chicago game, but this whole thing could have been avoided.
That being said, the trade may have been worth it, in terms of benefiting the Jazz.
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finnegan wrote:#1 Sign of a Rookie Owner/Manager
--Fails to manage and difuse personnel situations before they reach the volcanic stage, and
--Fails to accept full responsibility for said failure and instead blames the parties involved.
I am 100% confident that Sloan was madder at Greg Miller than Deron Williams, and his resignation was a vote of "no cofidence" in the new owner. Deron is definately a punk for the way he acted toward Sloan in the Chicago game, but this whole thing could have been avoided.
That being said, the trade may have been worth it, in terms of benefiting the Jazz.
I think you and Shizzle have nailed what probably happened: mismanagement led to a situation where they almost had to trade him. Their previous management mistakes painted the franchise into a corner from which the only escape was to essentially tear everything up and start over.
So I guess if there's anything to regret it's not that the Jazz traded Deron when they did, but that it got to the point where that was the only real option.

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HappyProle wrote:So I guess if there's anything to regret it's not that the Jazz traded Deron when they did, but that it got to the point where that was the only real option.
That pretty well describes the world of mortals, when it comes to relationships gone bad.
We are emotional creatures with high capacity for good and beauty, but when people get angry that changes everything. The sad part is that all of us have a very difficult time forgiving and/or a difficult time in accepting responsibility for our contribution to the problem.
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I was a big fan of Deron and loved his game. I was pissed when we traded him but at the same time understood the decision. Deron was gone... no doubt in my mind. We made a tough but good call, and I'm really liking the deal we got.
Now the interesting question is rating the trade if Deron was certain to re-sign. I think it all banks on these picks and Favors. We need a super stud like Deron to arrive... Favors might be that in a couple years. I know at least he will be solid.... but I don't know if solid is enough to trade the best PG in the game when healthy.
Now the interesting question is rating the trade if Deron was certain to re-sign. I think it all banks on these picks and Favors. We need a super stud like Deron to arrive... Favors might be that in a couple years. I know at least he will be solid.... but I don't know if solid is enough to trade the best PG in the game when healthy.
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Why are you talking about a Netman? What's the point?
Dude's gone and thread should have been locked after post number 2.
Dude's gone and thread should have been locked after post number 2.

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If the organization is as incompetent as some critics say, they weren't gonna be shrewd enough to get the players needed to win a championship with Deron. 45+ wins per year with the resulting low draft picks, and the assets we had then all pointed to continuing the era of mediocrity. At least this trade gives us a chance. Best to move on, even if the trade wasn't "worth it" in the abstract.