Official Andre Iguodala Trade Discussion and Rumors Thread

[Ruhiel]

There was a point a few years back when I hoped AI would be traded to Minny and get paired with KG. I felt like he had done as much in Philly as he could, and both the player and the team needed to go in a different direction because things had soured here after a few years of mediocre records. And I wanted to see AI paired with an elite big while he was still in his prime.

I think we are at about that point with Iguodala. It is clear that Iguodala won't lead this team as constructed very far. And I also think that after years of being miscast a lot of fans no longer appreciate what he brings on offense, defense and leading the break. So I'm hoping he brings back good value for the Sixers... and I hope he gets to shine as a complementary star on an elite team like he should/could. That would be best for both parties at this stage.

[BringBackKorver]

Iggy is one dimensional.

Really? One of the most versatile players in the league is one dimensional now?

[Skates]

There was a point a few years back when I hoped AI would be traded to Minny and get paired with KG. I felt like he had done as much in Philly as he could, and both the player and the team needed to go in a different direction because things had soured here after a few years of mediocre records. And I wanted to see AI paired with an elite big while he was still in his prime.

I think we are at about that point with Iguodala. It is clear that Iguodala won't lead this team as constructed very far. And I also think that after years of being miscast a lot of fans no longer appreciate what he brings on offense, defense and leading the break. So I'm hoping he brings back good value for the Sixers... and I hope he gets to shine as a complementary star on an elite team like he should/could. That would be best for both parties at this stage.

+1

You hit it right on the head. Iggy is an excellent player and decent guy who the organization oversold and surrounded with crappy players and mediocre coaches. He has reached that stage in Philadelphia where the fans want to eat him alive for not being LeBron. It is time to move him, not to trash him.

BTW, I always thought KG and AI would be a great combo since KG excels in the first 46 minutes and despite his greatness is really a complementary player at heart. AI could have been the alpha he needed and gotten the ball down the stretch of games.

[Sixersftw]

sums it up nicely. I agree wholeheartedly with Tk76 and skates.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I just think that if we move Iguodala it needs to be for equal value. If we get equal value for him at say the center position than we still need to replace his perimeter defense with another wing defender. Regardless...moving him will cause a shakeup on this team. I doubt he even gets moved unless it's on draft night.

[Gsraider]

I just think that if we move Iguodala it needs to be for equal value. If we get equal value for him at say the center position than we still need to replace his perimeter defense with another wing defender. Regardless...moving him will cause a shakeup on this team.

Totally agree. I would never dump him for salary relief or for an aging veteran or something along those lines. I would be OK if Philly got equal value (or at least somewhat close to it) at the C or SG positions. A trade for someone like Kaman does little for me.

[tgo2223]

DIrk, KIdd, Terry, and Marion > Iggy

Chandler on defense is as important as Iggy on defense.

Im not a iggy fan by any means but Right now the onlt 2 players on the mavs better than iggy is Dirk and Chandler.

[Sixerlover]

There was a point a few years back when I hoped AI would be traded to Minny and get paired with KG. I felt like he had done as much in Philly as he could, and both the player and the team needed to go in a different direction because things had soured here after a few years of mediocre records. And I wanted to see AI paired with an elite big while he was still in his prime.

I think we are at about that point with Iguodala. It is clear that Iguodala won't lead this team as constructed very far. And I also think that after years of being miscast a lot of fans no longer appreciate what he brings on offense, defense and leading the break. So I'm hoping he brings back good value for the Sixers... and I hope he gets to shine as a complementary star on an elite team like he should/could. That would be best for both parties at this stage.

+1

You hit it right on the head. Iggy is an excellent player and decent guy who the organization oversold and surrounded with crappy players and mediocre coaches. He has reached that stage in Philadelphia where the fans want to eat him alive for not being LeBron. It is time to move him, not to trash him.

BTW, I always thought KG and AI would be a great combo since KG excels in the first 46 minutes and despite his greatness is really a complementary player at heart. AI could have been the alpha he needed and gotten the ball down the stretch of games.

Agree with both quoted posts.

[P2K]

So tk put Iguodala on level with Iverson. Meanwhile, Skates makes Iguodala to be a victim. Unbelievable.

For tk, nobody here discredits Iguodala for what he brings to the court. Sixers fans appreciate his skills and defensive prowess. But 1.) You cannot say the fans do not appreciate what he brings to this team. It's just that the fans realize that he cannot be who he is as the main guy on this team. The fans don't hate the guy. They are just smart for knowing the situation for what it really is. And 2.) I know you didn't mean it as you did, but to put Iguodala in the same space as Allen Iverson. Not just in terms of talent, but what Iguodala has done for this franchise (which is nada really) trully pales in comparison to what AI did for the Sixers.

Skates, you say excellent player. I hope you meant excellent player for what he is. You bring up Iguodala being a decent guy. Is that where we are going now? Really?

Yes, crappy players and mediocre coaches were here the whole time because the FO didn't do what they were supposed to do, which was to start from scratch. They should have rebuilt from the foundation up and they should have recognized that Iguodala was a complimentary player and not someone you push to be the face of the team. I'm sure there were casual fans that thought Andre could be more than what he is. But the rest of us knew what he was. Iguodala is NOT being eaten alive. Maybe he is being viewed upon for being the face of mediocrity. I would agree to that. But not for any other reason. I don't see why calling Iguodala for what he is equates to trashing him.

Let's be 100% here. Iguodala is getting flack for how much he is paid because most don't think he deserves that much pay. But not only would all of this be a non-issue, but Iguodala would hardly be talked about except for compliments if he was along side a superstar player and also a legit 2nd scorer.

Elton Brand would get much of what Iguodala is getting if we knew he could be traded. But since he is nowhere near being as tradeable (alongside his play this past season), the target has been taken off of him and squarely placed on Iguodala.

My opinion, I'm tired of the coach being the face of the team. That means the team is not good enough for anything.

[tk76]

http://basketball.realgm.com/article/21 ... ando_Magic

Sources say the Magic inquired about a few different players. After the loss to the Hawks, Orlando's need for a perimeter presence, on both defense and offense, couldn’t have been move obvious. Upgrading the perimeter is a top priority for Orlando this summer.
Andre Iguodala is at the top of that list.

The interesting thing about the Iguodala rumor is that the trade doesn’t include Jameer Nelson, the one Magic player not named Howard that has value.

Hedo Turkoglu is the player the deal is rumored to be centered around.

At a glance, it really doesn’t make sense for the Sixers. In fact, it’s nuts when you look at the per year dollar amount of Turkoglu’s contract. But if you look at it a little further you’ll see that the Sixers stand to save around $22 million in the long run, maybe more depending on the new CBA, if they make deal that moves the length of Iguodala’s contract.

It actually could work, which gives the rumor a little life.



Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/article/21 ... z1OHV0Pljo

[tk76]

P2K, if you read my statement as saying that Iguodala and Iverson are similar players then you missed the point. I said both players reached a point where the team was not going to win with them and a majority of Sixers fans had turned against them.

How is that in any way incorrect, and how does that in any way put them on the same level?

Philly fans have turned on:

Mike Schmidt
Ron Jawarski
Randall Cunningham
Charles Barkley
AI
Lindross
Abreau
Iguodala

Those players have very little in common beyond the fact that they went from fan favorites to scapegoats once their teams started struggling. Almost all ended up being traded.

Its very hard for a team to keep a player around once the fanbase has turned sour on them, whether it is justified or not. Mike Schmidt was the only one that stuck around and the fans eventually came around after the team won a World Series.

[MeCarlos24]

P2K, if you read my statement as saying that Iguodala and Iverson are similar players then you missed the point. I said both players reached a point where the team was not going to win with them and a majority of Sixers fans had turned against them.

How is that in any way incorrect, and how does that in any way put them on the same level?

Philly fans have turned on:

Mike Schmidt
Ron Jawarski
Randall Cunningham
Charles Barkley
AI
Lindross
Abreau
Iguodala

Those players have very little in common beyond the fact that they went from fan favorites to scapegoats once their teams started struggling. Almost all ended up being traded.

Its very hard for a team to keep a player around once the fanbase has turned sour on them, whether it is justified or not. Mike Schmidt was the only one that stuck around and the fans eventually came around after the team won a World Series.

#5?

[Numb3rs]

I just think that if we move Iguodala it needs to be for equal value. If we get equal value for him at say the center position than we still need to replace his perimeter defense with another wing defender. Regardless...moving him will cause a shakeup on this team.

Totally agree. I would never dump him for salary relief or for an aging veteran or something along those lines. I would be OK if Philly got equal value (or at least somewhat close to it) at the C or SG positions. A trade for someone like Kaman does little for me.

The reality is as long as we're the ones "selling" Iguodala, we're not going to get equal value back. Simple fact. Thats how trades work. A team is only going to take on Iguodala if they believe that his value is greater players/picks that they give up to aquire him. And considering the economic climate of the NBA, his contract only reduces his value at this point. I know it's been said over and over again but the Iverson and Carter trades are the textbook examples of these sort of situations.

Lucky for us there are teams who could use Iguodala. and tk's post is the perfect example. The Magic need a change and they are also motivated by the fact that Dwight could be on his way out if they don't improve. If they believe Iguodala is a piece that can make a difference, they will have to offer a package which the Sixers FO believes is of equal or greater value than Iguodala. Unfortunately such a package would probably have to include Turkoglu but he does offer financial savings plus Orlando do also has some young players they would probably have to include (Reddick, Ortan, Anderson, Clark).

[freshie2]

I'm still a fan of Iguodala, but I think he's the piece that seems to have the most value and could bring back pieces to improve the club. 'Fans' turn on any player, and Philly is good at that, but I don't think this is a matter of 'turning', it is just the best means to improve the club.

Not a big fan of his, but he brings a scoring punch that may be a nice fit for the club...any thoughts on basing a deal for Iguodala around Beasley?? Other pieces need to come into play, but he'd be a long scorer that would fit nicely (on the offensive end) next to Jrue/ET.

[SJSF]

Fans get tired of not winning and they then want change with the organization. Schmidt was the only one that won a championship. And when they won they stopped being upset with him. So cross him off the list. Lindros was never booed. But his family was hated for obvious reasons. Barkley never booed. And AI wasn't either. The fans of Philly loved AI for what he brought to the table. Abreu was probably the most hated. He was a lot like Iggy.

[freshie2]

Disagree on the Abreu comparison...I don't think Iguodala has empty stats like Abreu, he's more a misfit piece at this point. If they could get a #1 scorer to pair with him, they would be fine...it is more he brings the most value to improve the club.

[SJSF]

http://basketball.realgm.com/article/213969/Questions_And_Rumors_Of_The_Orlando_Magic

Sources say the Magic inquired about a few different players. After the loss to the Hawks, Orlando's need for a perimeter presence, on both defense and offense, couldn’t have been move obvious. Upgrading the perimeter is a top priority for Orlando this summer.
Andre Iguodala is at the top of that list.

The interesting thing about the Iguodala rumor is that the trade doesn’t include Jameer Nelson, the one Magic player not named Howard that has value.

Hedo Turkoglu is the player the deal is rumored to be centered around.

At a glance, it really doesn’t make sense for the Sixers. In fact, it’s nuts when you look at the per year dollar amount of Turkoglu’s contract. But if you look at it a little further you’ll see that the Sixers stand to save around $22 million in the long run, maybe more depending on the new CBA, if they make deal that moves the length of Iguodala’s contract.

It actually could work, which gives the rumor a little life.



Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/article/21 ... z1OHV0Pljo

Isn't Hedo's contract in his last year a players option. So they won't save 22m. His last year is 12m.

[tk76]

From what I found, there is a 6M team but out clause for the final season. Not exactly the greatest savings to pay a guy 6M not to play.

[Gsraider]

The reality is as long as we're the ones "selling" Iguodala, we're not going to get equal value back. Simple fact. Thats how trades work. A team is only going to take on Iguodala if they believe that his value is greater players/picks that they give up to aquire him. And considering the economic climate of the NBA, his contract only reduces his value at this point. I know it's been said over and over again but the Iverson and Carter trades are the textbook examples of these sort of situations.

While I understand your point completely, I'm not sure the AI or VC trades are even remotely comparable. In the case of AI, E. Snider came out on national TV and said that the team would be trading AI at a time when it was well known that he was disgruntled. In Toronto, it was made well known that VC had no interest in staying there and re-signing. With Iguodala, Philly was rumored last year to be turning teams away that inquired about Iguodala and had very little interest in trading him. Now, there is some speculation that Iguodala does not want to come back, based on his missed exit interview and somewhat cloudy responses to whether or not he wants to return. Regardless, this is hardly a situation where Iguodala has made it well known that he wants to leave or one that Philly is desperate to trade him. Honestly, while I expect him to be traded, I wouldn'tq be remotely shocked if he returns next year either. With that as a backdrop, a willingness to trade him is completely different to desperately trying to move him. In the end, I suspect that you're right in that Philly will struggle to get equal value, but I would hope that they could get something approaching it. Any moves to simply dump salary or get $.50 on the dollar would be completely unacceptable in my opinion and a complete failure on the part of Thorn. If that is what they can get, they should keep him and then listen again come the next trade deadline in February.

[Negrodamus]

If we trade Iggy for Hedo, I'll **** myself.

I will be beyond pissed if that happens.