Post Game: Thanks for nothing LBJ/Bosh

[Siem]

Oh please...

We TORE into Wade when he was struggling against Chicago. People were clamoring for him to be benched, saying that his decision-making had regressed to J.R. Smith levels, and that his time as an elite player had come to an end. I myself had a sig on here that was bashing Wade for his poor play. I've openly stated that I hope LeBron wins Finals MVP if we win the title.

I'm a HEAT FAN before a fan of any individual player. LeBron is the best player in the league, and has been our best player in the playoff's overall. HOWEVER, it does not change the fact that TONIGHT, in this particular game, he was SELFISH down the stretch.

Wade was the BEST player on the court tonight, by FAR. Yet at the end of the game didn't get the touches he deserved, and the majority of that blame goes on LeBron. I don't know if he wanted to pad his stats, got jealous of Wade's numbers, or what happened. I had flashback's of Kobe Bryant against Detroit in 04'.

I've watched the last 6 minutes twice now and LeBron didn't play the way he normally does. He was hogging the ball a lot. The boxscore says he had 5 TO's, and at least 2 of those came in crunch time.

If Wade, Chalmers, Bibby, etc did this they would be getting bashed as well and rightfully so. We choked a 15 point lead with under 6 minutes left. Obviously the guys that underperformed are going to get blamed big time. This is the Finals, it's winning time. Not time to pad stats.

In defense of LeBron...Chris Bosh was ten times more pathetic for a 2nd game in a row. I felt embarrassed for him. The Mavs have made him look like a D-Leaguer on a 10-day contract. Nowitzki was laughing on the inside when we put Bosh on him at the end.

Theres no problem with some1 tearing into a player after a loss, but the fact people are saying, they wish LBJ wasnt on thier team and he just cost them a championship and all this stupid overreacting nonsense is just ridiclous. He played a part in u guys losing game 2, but Lets be honest Miami wouldnt be in the Finals w/o him. Im not trying to take up for LBJ, but some not all of the Miami fans, but some should think before they post. Look at the first 2 pages, some of it was just over teh top lunacy.

[Miamis3rdRing]

The first couple pages worth of posts came literally seconds and minutes after the game ended. People were furious (Me included) and piling on fast. This is among the most (If not the most) crushing losses in the history of the franchise. One of the biggest Finals collapses in the history of the NBA. Tensions run high after a loss like that, especially considering the magnitude of the game. We lost in this manner 5+ times in the regular season, but nobody cared much because it didn't matter.

LeBron made some very questionable decisions down the stretch, and hadn't played well defensively the whole night. Wade also played stupid when he got the ball 1-2 times, but LeBron clearly dominated the ball towards the end. I'm not even going to talk about the way Bosh has played, I'll puke if I do.

If we win this series everything will be forgotten, but if not I can see this lingering around the franchise and players for a long, long time. It's taken Dallas years to recover from what we did to them in 2006. To some, they still haven't shed the choke label.

We were fortunate that LeBron and Bosh carried the team most of the way against Chicago, otherwise Wade would have been flamed badly if we lost. He already was being flamed during many of the games. Rightfully so, he played horrible for the most part.

Bottom line is, the best players are going to get the blame 99.9% of the time. It'll always be Wade, LeBron, or Bosh. People aren't going to go after the role players. The stars will get all the glory in wins, but also the majority of the blame in losses.

[Flash4thewin]

You're right about Marion having a field day on Miller. Any time we put Miller on Marion, Mike ends up getting humiliated. I don't want to see that matchup the rest of this series.

I too like the idea of putting Wade on Terry more often. His length/strength can bother him, and while Terry does move around off of screens, he's no Ray Allen.

I don't even know who is supposed to be on Jason Kidd, but whoever is needs to get their head out of their a**. While we've done a good job on him at times, there are breakdowns where we start playing him for the drive instead of the pass. He's also been left wide open on 3's too many times for my liking.

This swarming defense of ours seems to have trouble against teams that pass well, and can shoot the ball. Last night's loss reminded me of our choke-job against Orlando and New York earlier in the year. Only this time it was a key Finals game.

I wonder if we can play Miller on Kidd for extended periods of time. That way the Mavs cant exploit Marion on him. I doubt Kidd could really school Miller, not to mention Millers length would cause problems for Kidd and his passing.

[DWadeno3]

You're right about Marion having a field day on Miller. Any time we put Miller on Marion, Mike ends up getting humiliated. I don't want to see that matchup the rest of this series.

I too like the idea of putting Wade on Terry more often. His length/strength can bother him, and while Terry does move around off of screens, he's no Ray Allen.

I don't even know who is supposed to be on Jason Kidd, but whoever is needs to get their head out of their a**. While we've done a good job on him at times, there are breakdowns where we start playing him for the drive instead of the pass. He's also been left wide open on 3's too many times for my liking.

This swarming defense of ours seems to have trouble against teams that pass well, and can shoot the ball. Last night's loss reminded me of our choke-job against Orlando and New York earlier in the year. Only this time it was a key Finals game.

I wonder if we can play Miller on Kidd for extended periods of time. That way the Mavs cant exploit Marion on him. I doubt Kidd could really school Miller, not to mention Millers length would cause problems for Kidd and his passing.

I've been thinking about this as well. All Kidd really does is shoot or post up. Miller could bother him with his length and on the rare occasions when Kidd really penetrates, Mike should be quick enough to stick with him. LeBron on the other end has the athleticism and strength to bother Marion a lot more down low.
Another thing we need to do is keep their guys out of the paint. Especially Marion has had a field day of tipping balls out or grabbing loose balls to score so far.

[Chosen01]

ON offense its really not that hard, take advantage of Marion and Kidd/Terry on the post with LeBron and Wade, those are easy points/double teams at least for Wade.LeBron still needs to work on his post game hes come a long way from previous years but he still looks awkward and his foot work still needs work this offseason.

[Joseph17]

James Jones hurt his toe (Tore a ligament I think) hasn't played since Game 2 of the Bulls series. He says that he is fine and ready to play if call upon, but I doubt it. We desperately need accurate 3-point shooting to weaken the Mavs zone.

Miller's rebounding was huge against Chicago, and we'll need much of the same against Dallas.

Props for being unbiased in that Wade/LeBron celebrating topic over on the GB.

I saw a DNP CD next to his name so I thought he was healthy. If he is really healthy, I would put him in over Miller despite Miller being a better rebounder. As for being unbiased, I always try to put my emotions aside when I'm comparing players or judging a situation. Would I have been pissed off if it was one of my favorite players celebrating in the same situation? If the answer is no, I can't be pissed at Lebron and Wade for doing that as much as I dislike them.

[Siem]

The first couple pages worth of posts came literally seconds and minutes after the game ended. People were furious (Me included) and piling on fast. This is among the most (If not the most) crushing losses in the history of the franchise. One of the biggest Finals collapses in the history of the NBA. Tensions run high after a loss like that, especially considering the magnitude of the game. We lost in this manner 5+ times in the regular season, but nobody cared much because it didn't matter.

LeBron made some very questionable decisions down the stretch, and hadn't played well defensively the whole night. Wade also played stupid when he got the ball 1-2 times, but LeBron clearly dominated the ball towards the end. I'm not even going to talk about the way Bosh has played, I'll puke if I do.

If we win this series everything will be forgotten, but if not I can see this lingering around the franchise and players for a long, long time. It's taken Dallas years to recover from what we did to them in 2006. To some, they still haven't shed the choke label.

your absolutely right.. I think you guys come out strong in Game 3 and take back homecourt advantage.
We were fortunate that LeBron and Bosh carried the team most of the way against Chicago, otherwise Wade would have been flamed badly if we lost. He already was being flamed during many of the games. Rightfully so, he played horrible for the most part.

Bottom line is, the best players are going to get the blame 99.9% of the time. It'll always be Wade, LeBron, or Bosh. People aren't going to go after the role players. The stars will get all the glory in wins, but also the majority of the blame in losses.

[Respect My Mind]

Its actually Mike Miller's fault. You guys spend all year watching the Heat and still dont know anything about Wade. He was way gassed by the 5 minute mark of the 4th. Had Miller played better, Wade could have gotten some rest at the beggining of the 4th like he normally does.

LBJ played bad but thats because Dallas played really good D. Bosh is nothing but a scared jump shooter. He's good, but if his jumper is not on he will struggle on offense.

[DefenseWins]

This is far from Millers fault lol....

Watching the Heat all year you'd see Miller has been injured most of the time and was irrelevant until the Chicago series.

He only played 14 minutes too. What should you expect from a guy playing 14 minutes who is banged up... 20 points? There have been times Miller didn't even play. Spo figured in a FINALS game they wouldn't want to come back I guess and just put in Wade. Miller also entered the game when 24 seconds left. Which made no sense.

Spo should have made Wade rest from the beginning of the 4th IMO. I was wondering what the hell is Wade doing out there. Then he got the ball way too late. It was just mistakes all over offensively and defensively. There are other people on the bench during a lead like that. It was just dumb from the whole team including the coach, relaxing like that thinking they can just coast. The 8 man rotation isn't going to work against this team IMO. Need some JJ, who knows Eddie House?, shoot even Juwan. Somebody else has to come up and step up. The 8 man rotation also might not work since Miller is also getting exploited too. I also think BIg Z should start and Joel off the bench... he isn't being as affective as he use to be from starting. He is better off against other teams benches.

[TheAnkh]

I don't think Wade was gassed at all. It was just a matter of not getting him the ball anymore until it was too late, and then not getting it to him in the right spots. I doubt the Heat make the same mistakes again so I am confident for game 3.

[HIF]

I don't think Wade was gassed at all. It was just a matter of not getting him the ball anymore until it was too late, and then not getting it to him in the right spots. I doubt the Heat make the same mistakes again so I am confident for game 3.

+1

[Nupe_1911]

I don't think Wade was gassed at all. It was just a matter of not getting him the ball anymore until it was too late, and then not getting it to him in the right spots. I doubt the Heat make the same mistakes again so I am confident for game 3.

Wade looked tired to me. If you watch the last few minutes of the 4th you will notice a few occasions where the Heat are trying to get Wade the ball but Wade simply can not shed Kidd. Kidd normally can not keep up with Wade so I am guessing Wade was winded.

[Chosen01]

Kidd did a great job denying Wade once, but other than that it Wade didn't get the ball until 5 sec, and I don't think it was because he was tired.

Thats why theres 4-7 games to be played the finals, they'll figure it.

[Respect My Mind]

Kidd did a great job denying Wade once, but other than that it Wade didn't get the ball until 5 sec, and I don't think it was because he was tired.

Thats why theres 4-7 games to be played the finals, they'll figure it.

There's way too much idol worship around here from guys who have NO CLUE what its like to play basketball at a high level.

If you cant see that Wade was tired then its just because you think of him like some genetically engineerd hero robot. That's why this is completely Mike Miller's fault. Wade should not play an entire 4th quarter because when it was winning time he was dead tired. Hell, he was huffin and puffin during his half time interview. The lack of a good back-up sg/sf is why Wade couldnt get the rest he NEEDED. Wade is not a 42 minute player. Miller needs to play 20 miuntes without breaking his leg/hand/sholder/ankle/knee/elbow/neck/foot. What a waste of 5 million.

[TheAnkh]

I watched the end of game 2 again. He does not look tired. If anything, it looks like he stops trying as hard to get the ball but not from some sudden lack of energy. My theory is still that LeBron saw it as stat pad time and Wade acquiesced to it as he and the rest of the team has all season. Not okay. Secondly, believing Wade, a freak athlete, can play 42 minutes a game is not idol worship. He certainly can't do it to the extent LeBron can, but then again its not exactly a fair comparison either seeing as how Wade's role on offense and generally his assignment on defense requires a lot more movement. But all that is besides the point which is that its not idol worship to think an athlete in his prime can play 40+ minutes a game in the NBA finals. Thats absurd.

[DefenseWins]

I watched the end of game 2 again. He does not look tired. If anything, it looks like he stops trying as hard to get the ball but not from some sudden lack of energy. My theory is still that LeBron saw it as stat pad time and Wade acquiesced to it as he and the rest of the team has all season. Not okay. Secondly, believing Wade, a freak athlete, can play 42 minutes a game is not idol worship. He certainly can't do it to the extent LeBron can, but then again its not exactly a fair comparison either seeing as how Wade's role on offense and generally his assignment on defense requires a lot more movement. But all that is besides the point which is that its not idol worship to think an athlete in his prime can play 40+ minutes a game in the NBA finals. Thats absurd.

For some reason people think I'm hating on LeBron if I say such a thing. If you've watched this team all season, it was stat pad time. It would have been fine if he made a shot but they all stopped on BOTH ends of the floor. I don't see them doing this again. But they shouldn't have done it in the Finals. Either way, they will bounce back. Longest series for the Heat possibly.

[TheAnkh]

I watched the end of game 2 again. He does not look tired. If anything, it looks like he stops trying as hard to get the ball but not from some sudden lack of energy. My theory is still that LeBron saw it as stat pad time and Wade acquiesced to it as he and the rest of the team has all season. Not okay. Secondly, believing Wade, a freak athlete, can play 42 minutes a game is not idol worship. He certainly can't do it to the extent LeBron can, but then again its not exactly a fair comparison either seeing as how Wade's role on offense and generally his assignment on defense requires a lot more movement. But all that is besides the point which is that its not idol worship to think an athlete in his prime can play 40+ minutes a game in the NBA finals. Thats absurd.

For some reason people think I'm hating on LeBron if I say such a thing. If you've watched this team all season, it was stat pad time. It would have been fine if he made a shot but they all stopped on BOTH ends of the floor. I don't see them doing this again. But they shouldn't have done it in the Finals. Either way, they will bounce back. Longest series for the Heat possibly.

I've been called a LeBron hater before (and incidentally a Wade homer). I don't think pointing out the obvious is hate though. Anyone who has watched the Heat all season cannot say they haven't noticed LeBron hogging here or there at the end of games, or holding onto the ball in the back court when he knows the defense will foul at the end of games, or running to the ft line to shoot technicals, etc. to get some extra points. I don't even care that he wants to stat pad anymore, its something I've come to accept of him as a player, its just a) doing it during the finals and b) with so much time left, was silliness on his and the whole team's part. The game was far from over, and the "team captain" Wade who lead the charge in a similar comeback should have known that and took charge.

[cavsfan58]

lol @ all the people who called the series over when the mavs one ONCE

[Tim_Hardawayy]

lol @ all the people who called the series over when the mavs one ONCE

Not me

[WD]

lol @ all the people who called the series over when the mavs one ONCE

It may be over if we win game 4 -