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2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II

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Re: 2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II 

Post#341 » by Rapsfan07 » Sat Jun 4, 2011 4:55 am

TankCity32 wrote:Are there any teams in the 8-12 range that would trade their pick for Bayless and/or Bargnani?


Nobody in the 8-12 is going to be better than Bargs or Bayless. I'm very sure of that. If it's not a 2012 pick, I don't wanna talk about moving either of them for picks.
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Re: 2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II 

Post#342 » by witnessraps » Sat Jun 4, 2011 5:06 am

Rapsfan07 wrote:
TankCity32 wrote:Are there any teams in the 8-12 range that would trade their pick for Bayless and/or Bargnani?


Nobody in the 8-12 is going to be better than Bargs or Bayless. I'm very sure of that. If it's not a 2012 pick, I don't wanna talk about moving either of them for picks.


I don't think that's true at all. We could get a very solid young player to grow with this team and get rid of bustnani.
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Re: 2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II 

Post#343 » by Rapsfan07 » Sat Jun 4, 2011 5:33 am

Indeed wrote:
I don't think Minny likes that trade. Who are they getting back? Calderon?
To Toronto: Flynn + Rights to #2 (Kanter) - get Flynn and Kanter
To Portland: Barbosa + Kleiza + Rights to #5 (Kemba Walker) - get Barbosa and Walker
To Minnesota: Andre Miller + Nicolas Batum - get vet PG and capable starter in Batum


I like it. How about this:
To Toronto Flynn + Rights to #2 (Derrixk Williams) + Andre Miller
To Portland Barbosa + Rights to #5 (Kemba Walker) + Kleiza
To Minnesota Jose Calderon + Batum
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Re: 2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II 

Post#344 » by Doctorb23 » Sat Jun 4, 2011 4:42 pm

my apologies if this idea has been discussed already.

but what about Kendrick Perkins as a trade target?

reasons: probably Kanter won't fall to us. we get the big bodied center we have wanted next to Bargnani. he really didn't seem to fit with OKC, and might be available.

James and Amir Johnson for Perkins works on the ESPN trade checker. Amir would be able to run the floor with OKC, and James has the length they seem to like and passing skills to run the floor and get the ball to the other scorers while Durant is onthe bench. also, harden seems to be coming into his own so maybe we have to take back a Daequan cook or Nate Robinson, or maybe we find a way to get Sefolosha or something along those lines.

would this be worth it? we should be set for years at the 4/5 with bargs/perk/davis. we draft Walker or Knight. whomever our next coach is hopefully can handle Perk, who seems like he could create some headaches now and again.

next year Harrison Barnes?
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Re: 2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II 

Post#345 » by Stubby » Sat Jun 4, 2011 6:48 pm

Doctorb23 wrote:my apologies if this idea has been discussed already.

but what about Kendrick Perkins as a trade target?

reasons: probably Kanter won't fall to us. we get the big bodied center we have wanted next to Bargnani. he really didn't seem to fit with OKC, and might be available.

James and Amir Johnson for Perkins works on the ESPN trade checker. Amir would be able to run the floor with OKC, and James has the length they seem to like and passing skills to run the floor and get the ball to the other scorers while Durant is onthe bench. also, harden seems to be coming into his own so maybe we have to take back a Daequan cook or Nate Robinson, or maybe we find a way to get Sefolosha or something along those lines.

would this be worth it? we should be set for years at the 4/5 with bargs/perk/davis. we draft Walker or Knight. whomever our next coach is hopefully can handle Perk, who seems like he could create some headaches now and again.

next year Harrison Barnes?


This makes almost too much sense. I like both Amir and James, but acquiring Perkins allows us to fill a need at C, but also maximizes Bargnani's value as he is able to move to his natural PF position. Let's face it, Bargnani at this time will not net us much in a trade as his value around the league mustn't be high. Why not at least try him at PF full time for a season and then re-evaluate the situation after the season? If the trade could be expanded to include Sefolosha, we would be filling another need for a perimeter defender. OKC likes Sefolosha, but Harden is ready and needs to start.

That leaves us with:

Perks/Bargs/Davis
Demar/ Sefolosha/ Bayless/ #5 (knight or Walker) or keep our current pgs and get another big like Biyombo who we could then ease into the NBA as he continues to learn how to play the game from a couple other defensively oriented bigs.

Those are some solid pieces moving forward. Drafting one of the good SFs next year, or trading for a SF rounds the roster out. I think the culture of this roster would match well with Colangelo's recent interest in a defensively competent head coach. Plus you get a balanced roster with meshing talent. I think we're then only a dynamic SF away from competing while we grow internally.
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Re: 2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II 

Post#346 » by drew_28 » Sat Jun 4, 2011 7:59 pm

I don't think Oak city gives up on Perkins this quickly...they gave up a pretty good player in Jeff Green to get him...

As much as i'd like to have Bargs play his natural position...I would much rather have Davis play major minutes next year...hopefully as our day 1 starter... as of right now Demar and Davis are the core pieces of this team...Bargs had his shot...hell he had more than a fair chance to show us what he can (and can't) do...

he doesn't really fit with where this team is going.

Now if we are talking something like Bargs and James Johnson for Perkins (and whatever big contract we need to offset salary) that is something i'd be on board with.
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Re: 2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II 

Post#347 » by Doctorb23 » Sun Jun 5, 2011 3:42 am

i just don't think we should be tossing aside a 20 ppg forward for nothing. look at what Memphis did with their pairing at the 4/5 this season and playoffs. Why don't we try to put Bargnani in a position to succeed rather than trade him for 40 cents onthe dollar. at least he isn't tanking and forcing a trade (Vince) and there several years before he walks as a free agent (Bosh). We can't toss aside every player on our team that isn't perfect and well rounded. that is why I think if we lose out on Kanter then Perk is a reasonable target. I don't think we have a realistic shot at Chandler or Gasol. I would be happy with Bynum but how do we get him and still have Bargnani on our team?
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Re: 2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II 

Post#348 » by torsport » Sun Jun 5, 2011 12:32 pm

Toronto Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +2.3 ppg, +1.0 rpg, and +2.4 apg.
Incoming Players
Stephen Curry
23 year old , 6-3, 185 lb G from Davidson
18.6 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 5.8 apg in 33.6 minutes
David West
30.5 year old , 6-9, 240 lb F from Xavier
18.9 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 2.3 apg in 35.0 minutes
Aaron Gray

Golden State Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -1.7 ppg, +5.6 rpg, and -1.5 apg.
Incoming Players
Jerryd Bayless
22.5 year old , 6-3, 200 lb G from Arizona
9.2 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 3.7 apg in 21.1 minutes
Ed Davis
22 year old , 6-10, 225 lb PF from North Carolina
7.7 ppg, 7.1 rpg, 0.6 apg in 24.6 minutes

New Orleans Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -0.6 ppg, -6.5 rpg, and -0.9 apg.
Incoming Players
Andrea Bargnani
25.5 year old , 7-0, 250 lb C-F from Pallacanestro Treviso (Italy)
21.4 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 1.8 apg in 35.7 minutes
Outgoing Players
David West
30.5 year old , 6-9, 240 lb F from Xavier
18.9 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 2.3 apg in 35.0 minutes
Aaron Gray
26 year old , 7-0, 270 lb C from Pittsburgh
3.1 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 0.4 apg in 12.9 minutes


Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... z1OP7Ltv1d

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PG Curry/Calderon
SG Derozan/Weems
SF JJ/Kleiza
PF West/Amir
C Draft best big avail (Kanter, Veesly, Bismack)/Gray
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Re: 2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II 

Post#349 » by drew_28 » Sun Jun 5, 2011 7:18 pm

Doctorb23 wrote:i just don't think we should be tossing aside a 20 ppg forward for nothing. look at what Memphis did with their pairing at the 4/5 this season and playoffs. Why don't we try to put Bargnani in a position to succeed rather than trade him for 40 cents onthe dollar. at least he isn't tanking and forcing a trade (Vince) and there several years before he walks as a free agent (Bosh). We can't toss aside every player on our team that isn't perfect and well rounded. that is why I think if we lose out on Kanter then Perk is a reasonable target. I don't think we have a realistic shot at Chandler or Gasol. I would be happy with Bynum but how do we get him and still have Bargnani on our team?



The question isn't if he can play at the 4...i'm sure he can...the question is what is the best move going forward for this team, and how can we address the needs. If we want Perkins as a C...i don't think Amir and JJ will do it. I think it will take more.

As for moving forward into the future...personally i'd rather roll with Amir, Ed Davis, and Perkins and maybe Evans to round out the bigs...we can more than make up for Bargs 20ppg...
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Re: 2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II 

Post#350 » by serafina » Sun Jun 5, 2011 9:05 pm

drew_28 wrote:I don't think Oak city gives up on Perkins this quickly...they gave up a pretty good player in Jeff Green to get him...

As much as i'd like to have Bargs play his natural position...I would much rather have Davis play major minutes next year...hopefully as our day 1 starter... as of right now Demar and Davis are the core pieces of this team...Bargs had his shot...hell he had more than a fair chance to show us what he can (and can't) do...

he doesn't really fit with where this team is going.

Now if we are talking something like Bargs and James Johnson for Perkins (and whatever big contract we need to offset salary) that is something i'd be on board with.


Perkins is so overrated in this forum. Great defender for sure, but this year he scored 6 PPG and having 8 RPG. He always is in fouls trouble. I never would trade Bargnani and JJ for him. Boston knew that he was asking too much money for his real value.
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Re: 2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II 

Post#351 » by HomieOmey » Sun Jun 5, 2011 9:55 pm

The funny thing is, Oklahoma knew the same thing about Jeff Green. Boston will probably happily offer him the full MLE, but it's not like he's shown he's clearly worth more. Most expected him to get paid $8-10 mill this summer, but he's definitely shown he's not worth that either.

The sad part is, Oklahoma has the same basic front court most Toronto fans would drool over while DD and Bayless are still incredibly far from being anything close to the offensive punch of Durant and Westbrook, yet people think we have a chance at contending without finding ourselves a better starting big than any one of a)Amir B)Bargnani or C) Ed Davis??
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Re: 2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II 

Post#352 » by Headliner » Sun Jun 5, 2011 10:02 pm

Andrea for Mcdyess (Ungaurenteed, he'll retire) + Splitter

or

Bargnani for Korver + Asik

Both cut Bargnani's salary off the books for the 2012 free agency, allowing us to land another high lotto pick, and sign a star player (or at least try to). Giving us only 30 mill on the cap. If we manage to move Calderon for scraps, we would really be rolling.
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Post#353 » by HomieOmey » Sun Jun 5, 2011 10:11 pm

No thanks. The slight chance Bargnani shows any improvement, no matter how slight, makes keeping him a much smarter idea than getting a small prize like Splitter or Asik. Unless we're saving money immediately while getting a decent prospect (even if packaging him with a player like Bayless) I don't see the point in giving him away. We're in no rush to be really good, so might as well give him one last chance with a new coach. A deal for Splitter will always be available.
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Re: 2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II 

Post#354 » by Headliner » Sun Jun 5, 2011 11:48 pm

HomieOmey wrote:No thanks. The slight chance Bargnani shows any improvement, no matter how slight, makes keeping him a much smarter idea than getting a small prize like Splitter or Asik. Unless we're saving money immediately while getting a decent prospect (even if packaging him with a player like Bayless) I don't see the point in giving him away. We're in no rush to be really good, so might as well give him one last chance with a new coach. A deal for Splitter will always be available.



You would be saving money.
You'd save 5 mill next year in the splitter deal and 10 mill in 2012/2013/2014
It would allow us to sign a guy to a big contract this year and next year.

In the Korver/Asik deal you save 10 mill in 2012/2013/2014
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Re: 2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II 

Post#355 » by serafina » Mon Jun 6, 2011 12:12 am

Headliner wrote:
HomieOmey wrote:No thanks. The slight chance Bargnani shows any improvement, no matter how slight, makes keeping him a much smarter idea than getting a small prize like Splitter or Asik. Unless we're saving money immediately while getting a decent prospect (even if packaging him with a player like Bayless) I don't see the point in giving him away. We're in no rush to be really good, so might as well give him one last chance with a new coach. A deal for Splitter will always be available.



You would be saving money.
You'd save 5 mill next year in the splitter deal and 10 mill in 2012/2013/2014
It would allow us to sign a guy to a big contract this year and next year.

In the Korver/Asik deal you save 10 mill in 2012/2013/2014


The Splitter/Mc Dyess trade for Andrea is terrible. You would add another PF and a former player to the roster without having a good center. If you use Andrea in a trade you must obtain a defensive true center. Asik/Korver maybe works. Asik is a real center but I do not know if he is good enough to start. Korver is a good 3 points shooter and the Raptors need to improve so much on it.
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Re: 2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II 

Post#356 » by Laowai » Mon Jun 6, 2011 1:34 am

Basically 2 trades and free agent.

1. Jose for Flynn & Ridnour
Flynn is a project and in likely his contract would be allowed to expire after next year but who knows.
Ridnour OK back-up PG
We gain 3 million in cap space

OK for Minny Jose is slightly overp0aid but look at his assists and he can groom Rubio.


2. The 1st four players gone in the draft will be Flynn, Knight, Williams and Kanter.
While I would like to get Jonas not popular on the board.
Kemba I think will be no better than Bayless.
Our greatest need is a quality C and the only available as free agents are C or D class.
Trade 5th and Amir for Gortat and Phoenix 2nd
Yes it is a big price to pay but Gortat is in my estimation a top 5 C in the league.
He is 26 and yes his offense may be worse than in Phoenix because of Nash but he is efficient defensively and can be offensively more than adequate out to 15 ft.

3. We have loosened up cap space with Jose trade we could go after Chandler for SF/SG

PG Bayless, Flynn, Ridnour, Barbosa
SG DD, Barbosa, Chandler
SF Chandler,JJ, Klieza
PF Bargs, Davis, Dorsy
C Gortat, Bargs, Dorsy

A decent team still very young and the reality we only gave up one player Amir.
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Re: 2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II 

Post#357 » by NH » Mon Jun 6, 2011 3:11 am

anyone see a Bargnani for for S&T Jeff Green? Heard they need a stretch 4...
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Re: 2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II 

Post#358 » by Victorious1 » Mon Jun 6, 2011 3:17 am

What do you guys think of Trying to acquire Paul George as our starting SF? Do you think he has enough upside and what would you give up? Would you give up our #5 pick?

Bayless
Derozan, Barbosa
Paul George
Ed Davis
FA Defensive C

That's pretty athletic with good potential D
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Re: 2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II 

Post#359 » by witnessraps » Mon Jun 6, 2011 3:44 am

HomieOmey wrote:No thanks. The slight chance Bargnani shows any improvement, no matter how slight, makes keeping him a much smarter idea than getting a small prize like Splitter or Asik. Unless we're saving money immediately while getting a decent prospect (even if packaging him with a player like Bayless) I don't see the point in giving him away. We're in no rush to be really good, so might as well give him one last chance with a new coach. A deal for Splitter will always be available.


addition by subtraction.
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Re: 2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II 

Post#360 » by sweetcity » Mon Jun 6, 2011 4:06 am

Trade 1

Bucks Receive

#5 + Ridnour

Raps Receive

Brandon Jennings + Martell Webster

T Wolves Receive

Jose Calderon

Trade 2

Kings Receive

Bargani + Bayless + Alibi

Raps Receive

#7 +Garcia + Whiteside

Raps Lineup

Brandon Jennings - (Anthony Carter etc free agent vet)
DeMar DeRozen - Martell Webster -F Garcia
James Johnson - #7 Kawhi Leonard
Ed Davis - Amir Johnson
Sign DaAndre Jordan - Hassan Whiteside

Frontcourt lacks some scoring, picking up Sullinger in 2012 might be nice.

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