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Re: Do you want Spoelstra as coach? 

Post#101 » by Iputsomepantson » Wed May 25, 2011 10:14 pm

laloo wrote:I am holding off on my apologies to HIF & Spo for the fear of jinxing everything.


Apologies not necessary. HIF wasn't even a proponent of the 2010 offseason plan

HIF wrote:let's hope it does. i've been sick of the 2010 thing for about 20 years now;


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Re: Do you want Spoelstra as coach? 

Post#102 » by andre316 » Wed May 25, 2011 10:48 pm

HIF wrote:Great article for the spo haters - you know who you are:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post?id=7900

Good read, but there have also been articles written on some of the more head-scratching things Spo has done. Just like LeBron, his legacy won't be shaped after one game, one series, maybe even one championship. Hopefully we just continue to win, because then I won't really care how credit is handed out.

BadMofoPimp wrote:Spo gets respect from elsewhere but his own city. Sad.

Respect is earned. I give him credit when it's due, as do most fans, but it takes more than Riley's blessing to be respected.

Bullflip wrote:Bulls fan here. Assuming the Heat beat the Bulls this series (pretty much likely), would you consider Spoelstra better than Thibodeau? Which coach would you rather have? What are the pros and cons of each coach?

Hard to say, Thibs has done his share of boneheaded things, but he's a rookie head coach. Obviously he's proven himself as a defensive guru (through his years as a defensive assistant) to an extent even Spo hasn't, but he's two years behind in terms of head coaching experience, and even then this last year was obviously a lot harder on Spo than on Thibs.

Plus, we obviously have a ridiculously great core, both offensively and defensively, for a coach to work with. No idea how Thibs would handle our roster, or how Spo would manage theirs. I will say I like how Spo is into statistical analysis, how much he works, and how he never gets unsettled, but I hate how stubborn he is about making adjustments and I still doubt his ability to inspire these guys when the situation calls for it.

That said, we have LeBron, Wade, and Bosh. If they do their job, it might not matter that Spo is actually a more average coach than his W-L record would indicate. I continue to have my reservations about the guy, and I still think a coach is the easiest (and most logical) part of a team to replace when you're in win-now mode, but I really won't care about any of that as long as they produce wins and rings.
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Re: Do you want Spoelstra as coach? 

Post#103 » by Heat84__ » Sat Jun 4, 2011 5:49 am

A text from Riley to Spolestra right after game 2: STRIKE 2!
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Re: Do you want Spoelstra as coach? 

Post#104 » by HIF » Sat Jun 4, 2011 8:10 am

Heat84__ wrote:A text from Riley to Spolestra right after game 2: STRIKE 2!


A very troll like statement but what should I expect from a poster who signed up only a month ago.

I think Game 3 is a big game for Spo - not for his job - but when his adjustments lead to a win maybe the frontrunners and bandwagon fans will finally have had their fill.

Opposition fans are bad but in a good way - they are the opposition. Poor home fans are worse but have to be accepted but frontrunners and bandwagoners are the worst and sadly this season our board has been full of them. Whether they try to claim they've been following the Heat for years or not, they are still bandwagoners or frontrunners. If they are still around in the lean times then they'll earn some respect but not until then.
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Re: Do you want Spoelstra as coach? 

Post#105 » by WD » Sat Jun 4, 2011 12:34 pm

You guys need to really let this go, this guy is our coach and with all things considered, he has us in the finals. Do I think he has room for growth yes, do I agree with everything he's done, NO -

do I want him as our coach

YES

He has done absolutely nothing to warrant any change of his position - He just needs to adjust some things.........I am sure he will adjust those things - maybe not in these finals, but I believe he will.
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Post#106 » by Nupe_1911 » Sat Jun 4, 2011 3:33 pm

The team is in the finals. Not really the time to beat up on the coach. Further, the Heat should win notwithstanding questionable decsisions on Spo's part. I will take up my thought's on Spo. after the finals which are still pretty much the same although Spo. has improved in some areas.
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Post#107 » by Vertical Limit » Sat Jun 4, 2011 5:26 pm

Can we lock all fire spoelstra topics please?
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Post#108 » by WD » Sat Jun 4, 2011 5:41 pm

Vertical Limit wrote:Can we lock all fire spoelstra topics please?

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Post#109 » by Nupe_1911 » Sat Jun 4, 2011 11:59 pm

Vertical Limit wrote:Can we lock all fire spoelstra topics please?


Nah. The thread is fine and Spo. is not blame free.
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Post#110 » by Heat84__ » Sun Jun 5, 2011 7:48 am

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Heat84__ wrote:A text from Riley to Spolestra right after game 2: STRIKE 2!


A very troll like statement but what should I expect from a poster who signed up only a month ago.

I think Game 3 is a big game for Spo - not for his job - but when his adjustments lead to a win maybe the frontrunners and bandwagon fans will finally have had their fill.

Opposition fans are bad but in a good way - they are the opposition. Poor home fans are worse but have to be accepted but frontrunners and bandwagoners are the worst and sadly this season our board has been full of them. Whether they try to claim they've been following the Heat for years or not, they are still bandwagoners or frontrunners. If they are still around in the lean times then they'll earn some respect but not until then.
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Its not the collapse I blame him for(he called timeout like 3 times during it to tell them to stop **** around afterall). Its the final play. He didn't set the defense up properly. Haslem should've been on Dirk. Or even Wade or Lebron.

But then again, the Heat inexplicably went away from the defensive assignments that were so successful in game 1. So maybe he is to blame for the collapse.
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Post#111 » by HIF » Sun Jun 5, 2011 8:46 am

Dirk would have shot over UD, Bosh got his positioning wrong and didn't foul but let's face it - it shouldn't have come down to the last shot.
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Post#112 » by CeCeySay » Sun Jun 5, 2011 12:51 pm

It just seems like the foul to give isn't something we use in the final seconds of a game. I vividly remember last year rd 1, game 4 when PP hit that game winner at the buzzer & we had a foul to give & didn't use. Maybe Spo thought Dirk would throw the ball up as a shot attempt for 2 FT. We definitely shoulda fouled, then put UD to deny Dirk the ball. Dirk can shoot over him, but UD has been doing a great job denying him the ball. All things considered, keep Spo, c'mon.
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Post#113 » by Nupe_1911 » Sun Jun 5, 2011 1:52 pm

HIF wrote:Dirk would have shot over UD, Bosh got his positioning wrong and didn't foul but let's face it - it shouldn't have come down to the last shot.


I actually agree with you. Bosh played acceptable man to man defense but bit on a dribble shot fake / hesitation dribble which caused him to be out of position. 99% of players would have fallen for that fake because almost everyone expects Dirk to shoot a pull up jumper off his spin or semi-spin.

The better question is why no hard double or why was the help d so late. I don't think failing to take the foul in this circumstance is a big deal either. It is such an overblown tactic.

Blaming Bosh for the loss is just a cop out, imo.
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Post#114 » by HIF » Sun Jun 5, 2011 2:13 pm

CeCeySay wrote:It just seems like the foul to give isn't something we use in the final seconds of a game. I vividly remember last year rd 1, game 4 when PP hit that game winner at the buzzer & we had a foul to give & didn't use. Maybe Spo thought Dirk would throw the ball up as a shot attempt for 2 FT. We definitely shoulda fouled, then put UD to deny Dirk the ball. Dirk can shoot over him, but UD has been doing a great job denying him the ball. All things considered, keep Spo, c'mon.


Spo did tell them to use the foul. bosh was the best choice because of his size and correct vertical defense which denies the foul. I'd have had Joel in instead of UD for the last ditch lay up defense and because he is so much better than anyone at help D.
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Post#115 » by GreenHat » Sun Jun 5, 2011 2:26 pm

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CeCeySay wrote:It just seems like the foul to give isn't something we use in the final seconds of a game. I vividly remember last year rd 1, game 4 when PP hit that game winner at the buzzer & we had a foul to give & didn't use. Maybe Spo thought Dirk would throw the ball up as a shot attempt for 2 FT. We definitely shoulda fouled, then put UD to deny Dirk the ball. Dirk can shoot over him, but UD has been doing a great job denying him the ball. All things considered, keep Spo, c'mon.


Spo did tell them to use the foul. bosh was the best choice because of his size and correct vertical defense which denies the foul. I'd have had Joel in instead of UD for the last ditch lay up defense and because he is so much better than anyone at help D.


Are you sure he told him to give the foul?

From his press conference Spo seemed defensive when called out on it. They asked him why he didn't make the call to give the foul and he said something like "its easy to second guess" but the problem is thats not really second guessing, most people wanted to give the foul before the play.

Now the coaching staff was yelling "foul!" after Dirk went by Bosh but by then it was too late to give the foul because Dirk can get the act of shooting.

I can see picking Bosh over UD to put on Dirk but I still think Lebron is the guy you have to put on him there. Its a lot harder for Dirk to drive by Lebron than anyone else and Lebron can still get up high to contest a shot. Plus Lebron doesn't really foul a lot and he doesn't bite on fakes as much as the other options. Yeah Dirk might be able to shoot over him easier but thats the risk I would take on the last shot of a tie game.

I do agree with your suggestion of Joel in there though. He should have been.
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Post#116 » by HIF » Sun Jun 5, 2011 2:45 pm

Bosh said that they told him during the timeout.

Bron on dirk was an alternative but he was better on JET surely.
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Post#117 » by CeCeySay » Sun Jun 5, 2011 3:18 pm

Whatever happened to these 2-3 pick and rolls we're keeping in our back pocket? No matter how hard they double & trap our pick n roll, 2-3 pick n roll with Bron & Wade is indefensible. I'm sure we can run that with Wade coming off a screen multiple times in a row successfully.
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Post#118 » by CeCeySay » Mon Jun 6, 2011 1:00 pm

There goes that 2-3 screen n roll we needed, helped set up that Bosh GW baseline shot. Hope to see more of that late in games, because u can't guard it, u have to try n cheat it, which will leave guys open. Good job.

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