Official Andre Iguodala Trade Discussion and Rumors Thread

[#1 pick]

If Josh Smith is overpaid, so is Iggy. Iggy and Smith are both under reasonable deals. Very reasonable. I don't think either one is close to overpaid.

[P2K]

Both Brand and Iguodala played hurt and don't complain or whine about it.

Both of them have great work ethic towards the game.

Both are recognize for their level of impact in the ball game.

Yet Brand rarely gets any criticism for his game. Why?

Already explained...

Elton Brand would get much of what Iguodala is getting if we knew he could be traded. But since he is nowhere near being as tradeable (alongside his play this past season), the target has been taken off of him and squarely placed on Iguodala.

And add on the fact of how Iguodala carries himself sometimes.

I cannot agree with posters here thinking role players like Selofosha, Tony Allen, Matt Barnes, etc could easily replace Iguodala's defense.

So, an All-NBA Defense player cannot replace Iguodala's defense? Did Iguodala all of a sudden develop the defensive prowess of Scottie Pippen and Bill Russell combined?

Mind you, I don't think we should tank unless we expect a strong draft in the following year. Tanking while getting no Lebrons in return is pointless in my opinion. I would prefer we stay competitve and not play Eddie Jordan basketball in the meantime but that's just me.

So players like Derrick Rose, Blake Griffin and Russell Westbrook...no interest whatsoever?

Well, we know how this guy voted in those recent polls.

[freshie2]

If Jrue and ET can become high end players, the franchise may be able to draw. Currently, the Sixers need the type of player that would draw, so that isn't happening. When they had a 'star', it was Iverson, who nobody wanted to play with either. A player like Duncan makes San Antonio attractive, so there is always hope, but takes the right players/coaching/situation to draw people in when you aren't one of the destination cities.

As far as other franchises drawing players in, the Phillies are championship contenders on a regular basis (Sixers are not), and the NFL has a hard cap, so the Eagles will draw players based on having a limited resource (cash) compared to other cities. The NBA is set up for the players to rule the roost, and the Sixers just don't have what it takes at this point...in the Doc era, I think they would have been players in the FA market on a regular basis, but Doc ain't walking through that door.

[Sixerlover]

Can't get on a bench player that much...that is...if he's here in the next three years.

While I agree with what has been said, people are coming down on the fans for their supposed misdirected turn against Iguodala. Well, the same is happening towards these said fans. Why the hostilty? Why the "Oh boy, who will they go after next" stuff? Honestly, I don't see this hatred towards Iguodala outside of a few posters on here. And you cannot look down upon fans that can see through the BS.

Most fans that are on here or call up sports radio and so on point out Iguodala not because he sucks. They know he doesn't. These fans point him out because they know he can't continue to be THE guy on this squad if they want to become elite and are calling on the FO to do something about it.

The exaggerations annoy me. That's all. Things like Broussard comparing him to Sam Young (extreme hyperbole), and fans actually enjoying that is annoying. But it's only with the Sixers in Philly, and they are my favorite of the 4 sports teams. I love the Birds, and Phils but the Sixers are #1 because I love basketball the most, so stuff like that where fans agree with insane comments instead of defending a player rubs me the wrong way. Call it bias I guess. I wouldn't disagree with you.

It's the equivalent of Mort on NFL Live calling Mike Vick a glorified Jason Campbell, and Birds fans agreeing with him. A die hard Eagles fan would go ballistic.

[DetroitPistons]

Would you guys do Iggy for a resigned Prince and #8? i would be willing to throw in daye or jerebko if that is not enough.

[BringBackKorver]

If someone we really like at 8 is there. Throwing in one of those two would help, but even more would be tossing the signed Prince elsewhere for a decent big for us (maybe Darko if Minny takes a big & wants some vet help).

[Foshan]

If Prince's deal ends with Brand's then Prince/Daye/8 gets it done IMO, but yeah, if we could throw in a third team that would actually want Prince for anything would make it more interesting.

[Foshan]

Also as a side note, S&T's can't be done on draft day... so the logistics of that deal would be very difficult.

[Tension]

A resigned Prince Daye and 8th is an insta-yes for me

[Kobblehead]

Given a chance to do it all over again, would you honestly sign Iguodala to that 6 year contract $80,000,000 contract?   

Would you pay that much money on someone who is better off as a fourth to fifth option on offense in a championship caliber team? If you want a defensive specialist, then sign a guy like Tony Allen. If you want someone to be your team's main facilitator, then ask your PG to do that Job. If you want a finisher off the break, then let anyone do it.

Iggy is very versatile and is an efficient player, that explains his high PER numbers and is definitely not a useless player you trade hedo or jrich for. But paying him that much money is, IMO, unnecessary. And that makes him overpaid. It's not because he isn't worth the contract, the issue here is if it's necessary of pay a jack of all trades, master of none (role player as some would call) type of player that much.  He's not overpaid because of his worth. It's more of an issue of proper allocation of the team's salary budget.

It's like instead of doubling the size of your house because of an expanding family, you instead spend it all to a very expensive door that is made of rich mahogany and studded with gold. Yes, it might be worth it. But is it really necessary to have a very expensive door?

Luol Deng might be overpaid. Josh Smith might be overpaid. Joe Johnson might be overpaid. But all of these overpaid players would benefit the team or most of the teams more than Iggy and his fair contract.

Just my two cents. 

Great post.

[dbodner]

It's not because he isn't worth the contract, the issue here is if it's necessary of pay a jack of all trades, master of none (role player as some would call) type of player that much. He's not overpaid because of his worth. It's more of an issue of proper allocation of the team's salary budget.

It's amazing how both points you made, you immediately contradicted yourself.

The issue isn't whether Iguodala's overpaid, or whether he's worth that kind of contract. The question isn't whether an Iguodala level player is worth that contract, nor is the question whether an Iguodala type player is worth that contract (or however else you can phrase it to say the exact same thing). The question is whether he's worth that kind of contract on this team.

Iguodala would unquestionably be worth his contract on the Mavs or the Thunder, teams who are legitimately a piece away and on he'd fit perfectly in with the teams established star, and where he'd be the teams 3rd or 4th highest paid player (a la Lakers, Mavs, Spurs, etc).

If you already have a star you're building around, then you go and give (or trade for) Iguodala his contract, and you don't worry about it at all. When you're trying to obtain that star ? That's when the flexibility hurts and it becomes a legitimate question.

It's not about Iguodala's value or the type of player he is (which is just another way of debating his value). It's about your team and its level of development.

[PhillyFan]

Already explained...

Elton Brand would get much of what Iguodala is getting if we knew he could be traded. But since he is nowhere near being as tradeable (alongside his play this past season), the target has been taken off of him and squarely placed on Iguodala.

And add on the fact of how Iguodala carries himself sometimes.

That's just your opinion. As far as the way he carries himself in front of the media, he never complains or whines about his team or use his injuries as excuses. Just because the player has more trade value than others doesn't mean he should take the blame for the team/front office's failures.

So, an All-NBA Defense player cannot replace Iguodala's defense? Did Iguodala all of a sudden develop the defensive prowess of Scottie Pippen and Bill Russell combined?

When did I suggest he is better than Pippen/Russell combined?

I know you like to twist people's words, but that just came out of nowhere lol

Plus how is swapping Iguodala for Allen going to help this team? Unless you assume teams are just going to be willing to absorb most of Iguodala's contract without throwing bad ones in return. Otherwise, you are just swapping pieces and still not addressing the team's biggest need in a starting center or scorer.

So players like Derrick Rose, Blake Griffin and Russell Westbrook...no interest whatsoever?

Well, we know how this guy voted in those recent polls.

Again, typical of you. Twisting others words to make your point.

Either that, or you just have a tough time reading what others write and paraphrase it

Just because I didn't name other franchise players around the league doesn't mean I have no interest in acquiring them to our team.

All I am saying is the people here who root for a complete rebuild neglect the fact teams tank when they know there is a strong draft coming up. They don't just tank for the sake of it. That's not how you strive for "greatness". If you say we tank for next year's draft I'd understand. Not when you have little chance of drafting a potential franchising changing player.

[PhillyFan]

On 2nd though, look at Iguodala's negative influence on Evan! Let's trade him for peanuts!

[P2K]

That's just your opinion.

So, you don't think that if Brand fully recovered (fully as in he gained everything back from his old form) and his contract was more "trade friendly", he wouldn't have a target on his back as big as Iguodala's? Hell, people were bashing on Brand badly his first two years here as is. Every sports radio host were spitting venom at dude.

As far as the way he carries himself in front of the media, he never complains or whines about his team or use his injuries as excuses.

Well, just sayin'. Credible people have said things, that's all. And what about what happened after the playoffs this season?

Just because the player has more trade value than others doesn't mean he should take the blame for the team/front office's failures.

Nobody blames Iguodala for the team's failures or the FO's stupidity. You're making that up.

When did I suggest he is better than Pippen/Russell combined?

I know you like to twist people's words, but that just came out of nowhere lol

Plus how is swapping Iguodala for Allen going to help this team? Unless you assume teams are just going to be willing to absorb most of Iguodala's contract without throwing bad ones in return. Otherwise, you are just swapping pieces and still not addressing the team's biggest need in a starting center or scorer.

The sarcasm went right over your head, but anyway, what I am saying is for this team, there are cheaper options. Now trading for them, that's a whole other thing.

Again, typical of you. Twisting others words to make your point.

Either that, or you just have a tough time reading what others write and paraphrase it

Just because I didn't name other franchise players around the league doesn't mean I have no interest in acquiring them to our team.

All I am saying is the people here who root for a complete rebuild neglect the fact teams tank when they know there is a strong draft coming up. They don't just tank for the sake of it. That's not how you strive for "greatness". If you say we tank for next year's draft I'd understand. Not when you have little chance of drafting a potential franchising changing player.

1.) It's not "tanking" when you're not that good in the first place.

2.) Why should it matter if it will be a strong draft or weak draft? Posters have been saying this and I've let it go but it finally got to me. The year Griffin was picked, I don't remember hearing how he was going to be this can't miss/all world/tank to get him-type of player. The same wasn't said for Kevin Love, Derrick Rose and especially Russell Westbrook. But, going by your logic, nobody should be happy to have the picks to get those players.

3.) Why doesn't it occur to you lot that having a top 5-10 pick is way better than having the 15th-17th pick in any draft? Even if there isn't a player at #5 that is intriguing, you could trade that pick for something legit in a player or for a future first rounder(s)? You can't do that with a much lower pick. Nobody's racing to the phones to trade for the 16th pick to get the next Marreese Speights.

[SJSF]

Brand was this teams only front court player. ANd he actually played well and stayed healthy and stepped up in many games. Iggy is one of a few backcourt players this team has. Evan Turner will replace Iggy so we all feel he should be moved for something else this team needs. Brand is the only guy this team has in the front court.

[PhillyFan]

So, you don't think that if Brand fully recovered (fully as in he gained everything back from his old form) and his contract was more "trade friendly", he wouldn't have a target on his back as big as Iguodala's? Hell, people were bashing on Brand badly his first two years here as is. Every sports radio host were spitting venom at dude.

My opinion? I'd still blame the FO rather than either of these 2 players.

That makes no sense either. Why they bash a guy for suffering 2 major injuries through no fault of his own? If anything, fans target players who are harder to trade. The team's success is on Brand just as much as it is on everyone else on the team. It shouldn't be just on Iguodala.

Well, just sayin'. Credible people have said things, that's all. And what about what happened after the playoffs this season?

That he missed the exit interview when Rod Thorn is fully aware of his reason? Or that he won't answer directly whether he will stay with the team next year because he knows NBA is a business and players can get swapped anytime?

Nobody blames Iguodala for the team's failures or the FO's stupidity. You're making that up.

I am not making that up and people here can attest to it.

I can't go back and search everything you have wrote, but I am 100% sure the anti-Iguodala groupies
here have blamed the team's failures on Iguodala's "inability" to lead this team over the hump, how he is overpaid, and can't do anything significant on the court. Again, on 1 player, and not on any other players on this team.

1.) It's not "tanking" when you're not that good in the first place.

2.) Why should it matter if it will be a strong draft or weak draft? Posters have been saying this and I've let it go but it finally got to me. The year Griffin was picked, I don't remember hearing how he was going to be this can't miss/all world/tank to get him-type of player. The same wasn't said for Kevin Love, Derrick Rose and especially Russell Westbrook. But, going by your logic, nobody should be happy to have the picks to get those players.

3.) Why doesn't it occur to you lot that having a top 5-10 pick is way better than having the 15th-17th pick in any draft? Even if there isn't a player at #5 that is intriguing, you could trade that pick for something legit in a player or for a future first rounder(s)? You can't do that with a much lower pick. Nobody's racing to the phones to trade for the 16th pick to get the next Marreese Speights.

1) When we are recognize by others as a competitive team (been said numerous of times on national tv by different NBA analysts), I guess it means nothing or it only means something when "credible" people have said things against Iguodala lol

2) How does it not matter? You give up wins and potentially even worse attendance in hopes of landing great players. And no, Blake Griffin and Derrick Rose were players that teams tanked for. Just not as much as Lebron. Why are you happy with settling for "solid young players" when you go into the draft hoping to land a star to change your franchise?

3) Because going to a draft with top 5-10 picks with a weak pool means just as much having the 15-17th pick in the draft. You are still less likely to draft a guy to change your franchise. When the draft is weak, even if you are higher up your draft position has less trade value. Unless your goal is to find gems like GIlbert Arenas, Michael Redd, Manu Ginobli, etc who got drafted low/went undetected which happens very rarely.

[tk76]

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[P2K]

My opinion? I'd still blame the FO rather than either of these 2 players.

That makes no sense either. Why they bash a guy for suffering 2 major injuries through no fault of his own? If anything, fans target players who are harder to trade. The team's success is on Brand just as much as it is on everyone else on the team. It shouldn't be just on Iguodala.

I don't understand why this isn't getting through. Yes, fans will get on players. That's part of being a fan. It happens sometimes. Iguodala hasn't been the only one to get criticism, so I don't know you keep thinking that is the case.

That he missed the exit interview when Rod Thorn is fully aware of his reason? Or that he won't answer directly whether he will stay with the team next year because he knows NBA is a business and players can get swapped anytime?

Talking about the exit interview, which is still sketchy to this day.

I am not making that up and people here can attest to it.

I can't go back and search everything you have wrote, but I am 100% sure the anti-Iguodala groupies
here have blamed the team's failures on Iguodala's "inability" to lead this team over the hump, how he is overpaid, and can't do anything significant on the court. Again, on 1 player, and not on any other players on this team.

That is absolutely, 100% BOGUS, INCORRECT and just plain WRONG.

I know I have never said that Iguodala is the reason why this team is the way it is. And I haven't seen anyone else come on here or call sports radio and completely blame Iguodala for the reason why the Sixers are a mediocre ball club. 1.) Because everyone knows Iguodala isn't anywhere near being a franchise player and 2.) these same people have pinned down Snider, Stefanski and Co. as the reason why this team has failed. Again, stop making stuff up.

1) When we are recognize by others as a competitive team (been said numerous of times on national tv by different NBA analysts), I guess it means nothing or it only means something when "credible" people have said things against Iguodala lol

The Sixers are not a good team. Easy to be "competitive" in the East. Still doesn't mean they are good or not in need of a top pick in order to get a potential star/superstar.

2) How does it not matter? You give up wins and potentially even worse attendance in hopes of landing great players. And no, Blake Griffin and Derrick Rose were players that teams tanked for. Just not as much as Lebron.

The Sixers have been mediocre since what...'02? 40 wins have been the norm lately? The attendance has sucked for a good while now, right? So what "wins" and "attendance" are they missing out on?

Griffin and Rose were players teams tanked for? Really? I think you have revisionist history. Did you think the same about John Wall? What about Kyrie Irving in the upcoming draft?

Why are you happy with settling for "solid young players" when you go into the draft hoping to land a star to change your franchise?

Because it's a draft. Drafts are there so you could possibly get a player that could change your team's fortunes. And most of those players come from the top 5-10 picks. Is it a guarantee? Of course not. Nothing in life except death is a guarantee. But you cannot ignore drafts. There is nothing wrong with getting "solid young players". They can be used as trade bait later on, maybe.

I bet you wouldn't feel this way if the Sixers did start from scratch after trading AI and got a Durant, Griffin or Rose with a top 5 pick.

3) Because going to a draft with top 5-10 picks with a weak pool means just as much having the 15-17th pick in the draft.

Oh please. Even you don't believe what you are saying. Having a higher pick means getting more in return in a trade, no matter what you say.

You are still less likely to draft a guy to change your franchise. When the draft is weak, even if you are higher up your draft position has less trade value. Unless your goal is to find gems like GIlbert Arenas, Michael Redd, Manu Ginobli, etc who got drafted low/went undetected which happens very rarely.

Again, that is BS. You cannot just avoid the draft like the plague, which you seem to be adamant about. High picks means higher chances of getting good players. Which means higher trade value. Unless I warped into a bizzaro world where lower picks mean higher chances of getting star players. Where trading the 25th pick in the first round can net you Dwight Howard. I must've missed that memo.

[PhillyFan]

I don't understand why this isn't getting through. Yes, fans will get on players. That's part of being a fan. It happens sometimes. Iguodala hasn't been the only one to get criticism, so I don't know you keep thinking that is the case.

So part of being a fan is throwing around baseless accusations on a player? And if you've been reading this forum, Iguodala gets 99.9% of the criticism so stop making things up.

Talking about the exit interview, which is still sketchy to this day.

That's just your opinion.

I am not making that up and people here can attest to it.

That is absolutely, 100% BOGUS, INCORRECT and just plain WRONG.

I know I have never said that Iguodala is the reason why this team is the way it is. And I haven't seen anyone else come on here or call sports radio and completely blame Iguodala for the reason why the Sixers are a mediocre ball club. 1.) Because everyone knows Iguodala isn't anywhere near being a franchise player and 2.) these same people have pinned down Snider, Stefanski and Co. as the reason why this team has failed. Again, stop making stuff up.

LOL, stop making up things to defend yourself. One clear example is SJSF whose posts only consists of constant Iguodala bashing. There's no search function on this forum, but tons of other users jump on Iguodala and blame on the mediocrity when they get the chance.

Stop living in your own fantasy land. LOL

The Sixers are not a good team. Easy to be "competitive" in the East. Still doesn't mean they are good or not in need of a top pick in order to get a potential star/superstar.

That's a lameduck excuse. Our series with Heat, besides Game 2, were close games. If we aren't a good team like you said, we wouldn't have make the playoffs anyway. If you want to make an argument for us needing a top pick? Sure. But don't make us sound like utter garbage.

The Sixers have been mediocre since what...'02? 40 wins have been the norm lately? The attendance has sucked for a good while now, right? So what "wins" and "attendance" are they missing out on?

Griffin and Rose were players teams tanked for? Really? I think you have revisionist history. Did you think the same about John Wall? What about Kyrie Irving in the upcoming draft?

You have issues dude.

Blake Griffin and Derrick Rose were players teams targeted after to change their franchises around. If it's your opinion the teams didn't, fine. But doesn't make it true.

And no logical person would want to pay and watch a tanking season. That's if we are able to land a future franchise player to change it around. Yeah, sure, try to sell your plan to Rod Thorn.

Because it's a draft. Drafts are there so you could possibly get a player that could change your team's fortunes. And most of those players come from the top 5-10 picks. Is it a guarantee? Of course not. Nothing in life except death is a guarantee. But you cannot ignore drafts. There is nothing wrong with getting "solid young players". They can be used as trade bait later on, maybe.

I bet you wouldn't feel this way if the Sixers did start from scratch after trading AI and got a Durant, Griffin or Rose with a top 5 pick.

Exactly. There's no guarantee. So you can't say your plan is any better either. Drafting a bunch of "solid young players" will just return us to the same cycle we've been going through the past several years. You wait for a strong draft and then tank, what's not to get?

Oh please. Even you don't believe what you are saying. Having a higher pick means getting more in return in a trade, no matter what you say

I think you are the one having trouble facing reality.

Again, that is BS. You cannot just avoid the draft like the plague, which you seem to be adamant about. High picks means higher chances of getting good players. Which means higher trade value. Unless I warped into a bizzaro world where lower picks mean higher chances of getting star players. Where trading the 25th pick in the first round can net you Dwight Howard. I must've missed that memo.

I don't throw away my assets knowing the return is likely to be low in a weak draft. It's call making a sound investment.

A top 5 pick in Kenyon Martin's draft (one of the worst in the last decade) compare to a top 5 pick in Lebron's draft is completely different. Value is relative and that is another point you fail to comprehend.

[P2K]

So part of being a fan is throwing around baseless accusations on a player? And if you've been reading this forum, Iguodala gets 99.9% of the criticism so stop making things up.

Accusations? About his shooting? Accusations of not being a star player? Accusations of not being the greatest finisher? How are those "accusations"?

That's just your opinion.

Damn right it's my opinion and many other people's opinion. Because the situation never made sense from jump street. Stop being so naive. Or being naive in order to defend your boy.

LOL, stop making up things to defend yourself. One clear example is SJSF whose posts only consists of constant Iguodala bashing. There's no search function on this forum, but tons of other users jump on Iguodala and blame on the mediocrity when they get the chance.

Stop living in your own fantasy land. LOL

SJSF is a nutcase when it comes to his Iguodala bashing. Everyone knows this. He doesn't count. But even if you do, that's one person. That doesn't help your case one bit.

And there is a huge difference in thinking Iguodala shouldn't be the main guy on this team and blaming him for the reason why this franchise is mediocre as it is. Your thinking is screwed up when it comes to this conclusion you came to.

That's a lameduck excuse. Our series with Heat, besides Game 2, were close games. If we aren't a good team like you said, we wouldn't have make the playoffs anyway. If you want to make an argument for us needing a top pick? Sure. But don't make us sound like utter garbage.

A good team is Atlanta. The Sixers aren't a good team. How can you say we're a good team, but then say we need a top pick? A top pick which you detest? Miami didn't take the Sixers seriously. Look how they played against Boston, Chicago and now Dallas. Totally different team.

You have issues dude.

Blake Griffin and Derrick Rose were players teams targeted after to change their franchises around. If it's your opinion the teams didn't, fine. But doesn't make it true.

So teams didn't target after Wall, Turner and now Irving and Derrick Williams to change their franchises' fortunes?

And no logical person would want to pay and watch a tanking season. That's if we are able to land a future franchise player to change it around. Yeah, sure, try to sell your plan to Rod Thorn.

Nobody is paying to watching a team stuck in mediocrity, either.

Exactly. There's no guarantee. So you can't say your plan is any better either.

It makes more damn sense, though.

Unbelievable how someone can think like you do. Because the Sixers aren't promised a superstar, they should never, ever, EVER think about getting a top 5 pick. What kind of logic is that?

And you talk about MY plan. What about yours? Only being bad when there is a Lebron-type in the draft. There is no guarantee that player becomes a star. Lebron could've easily been a total bust. So why go after my thinking when yours is no guarantee, either?

Drafting a bunch of "solid young players" will just return us to the same cycle we've been going through the past several years. You wait for a strong draft and then tank, what's not to get?

Glad you didn't talk to Danny Ainge before he made his moves to get Garnett and Allen.

I think you are the one having trouble facing reality.

Are you serious?

So you are telling each and every one of us that a top 5 pick (strong or weak draft) is on level with a middle of the draft pick or lower?

I don't throw away my assets knowing the return is likely to be low in a weak draft. It's call making a sound investment.

A top 5 pick in Kenyon Martin's draft (one of the worst in the last decade) compare to a top 5 pick in Lebron's draft is completely different. Value is relative and that is another point you fail to comprehend.

No, what you fail to comprehend is that a team with a lower pick...a playoff team maybe...that needs that final piece would value plenty a top 5 pick, even in an average/weak draft.

You really are out of your depth here. Your logic is like...mush.