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Post#1081 » by Nutty Nats Fan » Mon Jun 6, 2011 12:43 pm

ewingxmanstarks wrote:The problem with discussing politics with someone like u, is that ur uniformed, but very passionate in wanting to win, so because ur not armed with the proper knowledge, all u do is rely on ur biases and widely used talking points, then u point ur finger at someone who has an opinion u don't want to hear, because it doesn't speak to what little u think u know, and call him biased..just like u did with me.

Calling me uninformed, when you couldn't be any further off base. That is funny.

I don't care about winning, just facts. You are making claims Obama is more dishonest than Palin. The burden is on you to prove that with specific examples. You have yet to do that.

I only call someone bias when they form an opinion that is contradictory to what the facts say.

Now will you stop trying to dodge and distract and try to actually prove some of the stuff you claim?
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Post#1082 » by ewingxmanstarks » Mon Jun 6, 2011 12:59 pm

I'll explain that lie, as well as others, and provide concrete proof, to the best of my ability...I want to be thorough with this...so bare with the others that have requested the same from me...Like I told u, I could easily go on the web, find a boat load of Obama lie piece's, click and paste, and say there's ur information....I'm looking produce a more honest compilation...What I'm going to do is provide u with what I have uncovered, through following him, research it, and find proof...then we can have a discussion, as to the merit of my conclusions.. .IS this ok with u? Or do u just want to argue, for the sake of arguing?
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Post#1083 » by ewingxmanstarks » Mon Jun 6, 2011 1:01 pm

No offense, but I feel like I'm talking to my girl
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Post#1084 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Jun 7, 2011 12:55 am

ewingxmanstarks wrote:
GONYK wrote:
ewingxmanstarks wrote:
I can debunk alot, if not all of that....Dishonest tabloid stuff that u may accept for truth....I follow politics closely...any politcan has hit pieces all over the place....click and paste left wing media....I can show u examples of Obama lying and u can see it with ur own eyes...google any politican's name and lies together, and u'll see tons of material.

So debunk it...


I got to go to bed...relax it's not an excuse, but I will, and then I will ask u what u think...later bro



Have you relaxed enough, bro?

Are you now "fresh as a daisy" from your relaxation? 'Cause we're waiting for the bunking to begin.

Bunk away.

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Post#1085 » by ewingxmanstarks » Tue Jun 7, 2011 2:27 am

Lol...Andrew Sulivan's work has more holes than swiss...He is a corrupt bitter blogger.

In truth its not GONYK that I'm force to refute...All he did was copy this losers blog, and paste it...which subsequently caused u to jizz in ur pants, but I will go against the liberal, chip on his shoulder blogger, as best as I can.....When I say I caught Obama lying, its because I follow the news, policy, and am vigilant to what he's doing...Whenever I believe that he has lied I try to be objective, and investigate thoroughly...that way I cultivate my opinion...Nothing against GONYK, but I'm not sure he knew about most of what was even said in that hack job...the biggest out rite lye this guy has perpetuated before, was that stupid theory he had on Trig really being the son of Palins daughter....He didn't have the gaul to add that, to his smear campaign....its not a matter of resting...I'll do it this weekend, because I'll have access to a computer....I do admit, I put my foot in my mouth, because it is tedious, but I said I'll do it and I will.

BTW Wingo, ur such a narcissist...Ur not fighting for the forces of good over evil...Ur just having disscusions on realgm, about politics.....neither one of us are doing gods work over here...there's winners and losers on debate, but that's not what matters...If I liberal chalanges by core belifes with his or her arruments, I'm not affraid of that, and look at it as a chance to grow....U on ther hand act like ur on the front lines of a war....It probably infuences ur train of thought process....that's how I see it.

BTW u know what I was getting at with reconciliation in reference to HC right? I know u do
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Post#1086 » by ewingxmanstarks » Tue Jun 7, 2011 2:30 am

U may think the ends justify the means, but none the less...IMO the biggest deception I've seen.
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Post#1087 » by mugzi » Tue Jun 7, 2011 3:06 am

What hubris from this sniveling little coward and his crocodile tears. "Democrats, the rules dont apply to us."

Go ahead anyone, defend this still as a non story and that he shouldnt quit. I wouldnt expect any of you to show an ounce of integrity here, because that's not part of your party's policy.


Weiner admits lying about lewd photo, won't quit


AP – U.S. Congressman Anthony Weiner, D-NY, addresses a news conference in New York, Monday, June 6, 2011. …

By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press – 1 hr 27 mins ago
NEW YORK – A tearful Rep. Anthony Weiner on Monday admitted sending a lewd photo of his underwear-clad crotch to a young woman over Twitter and then lying repeatedly to protect himself. In a flash of defiance, Weiner refused to resign even as Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi called for a House ethics investigation into whether he broke the rules.
The extraordinary confession at a packed Manhattan news conference was a remarkable turn of events for the brash Weiner, who conceded to a "hugely regrettable" lapse in judgment. House Democratic leaders tersely expressed disappointment and embarrassment, reflecting an erosion of support for the 46-year-old New York congressman and casting doubts on whether Weiner could hold onto his House seat let alone turn a once-promising political career into a 2013 bid for mayor.
Weiner insisted he had done nothing wrong and said he would fully cooperate with a House inquiry.
"People who draw conclusions about me are free to do so," Weiner said. "I've worked for the people of my district for 13 years and in politics for 20 years and I hope they see fit to see this in the light that it is."
But in a new twist, the married Weiner also acknowledged that he had engaged in inappropriate contact with six women over the course of three years through social networking sites like Twitter and Facebook and occasionally over the phone. He said he had never met or had a physical relationship with any of the women and was not even sure of their ages. He also said he had never had sex outside of his marriage.
The news conference, unusually blunt even by New York standards, went on nearly half an hour and capped a week of double-entendre, tabloid-headlines and late-night jokesters' snide comments. With eyes welling and voice breaking, Weiner fielded questions from dozens of shouting reporters as the cameras clicked.
Weiner said over and over that he had made "terrible mistakes" and done "a very dumb thing" for which he alone bore responsibility, and he apologized repeatedly to his wife, Huma Abedin, a top aide to Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton.


"My wife is a remarkable woman. She's not responsible for any of this," he said. "I apologize to her very deeply."
Abedin did not attend his news conference, but Weiner said they would not be separating over the scandal.
Among the women Weiner contacted, Meagan Broussard, told ABC News that Weiner "friended" her on Facebook after she commented on one of his speeches posted online on April 20. They exchanged more than 100 messages, and Weiner constantly tried to steer the conversation toward sex.
"I don't think he's a bad guy. I think he's got issues just like everybody else," Broussard, 26, said in an interview aired Monday night.
During Weiner's news conference, the lawmaker confirmed that Broussard was one of the women with which he had exchanged messages.
The scandal began more than a week ago when a conservative website reported that a photo of a man's crotch had been sent from Weiner's Twitter account to a college student in Seattle.
For days, Weiner claimed that he hadn't sent the photo and that he was the victim of a hacker. But he caused guffaws when he said that he couldn't say with "certitude" that the underwear shot was not a picture of him.
The scandal escalated Monday when the website, BigGovernment.com, run by conservative activist Andrew Breitbart, posted photos purportedly from a second woman who said she received shirtless shots of the congressman. The site said the pictures were in a cache of intimate online photographs, chats and email exchanges the woman claimed to have. The website did not identify the woman.
One photo showed Weiner on a couch with two cats nearby. The website said Weiner sent the photo using the anthonyweiner(at)aol.com account with the subject line "Me and the pussys."
Also, the celebrity website RadarOnline.com said a woman claimed to have 200 sexually explicit messages from Weiner through a Facebook account that Weiner no longer uses. It was not clear whether the woman who claimed to have the new photo was the person who claimed to have received the text messages.
At Monday's news conference, Weiner said he sent the underpants photo as a joke and called it a "hugely regrettable mistake."
"I haven't told the truth and have done things I deeply regret," he said. "I brought pain to people I care about."
Genette Cordova, 21, the intended recipient of the crotch photograph, is a college student in Washington state. Weiner said he and Cordova had exchanged a few messages before he sent the photo May 27, which he said was intended to be "a joke."
In a strange twist, Breitbart attended Weiner's news conference and spoke to reporters before Weiner appeared. He claimed to have another photo of Weiner which he described as "X-rated" but would not say if he planned to release it.
"I would like an apology from him. I'm here for some vindication," Breitbart said. Weiner did apologize to Breitbart.
Weiner said he used his home computer and personal Blackberry, not government computers, in his exchanges with the women. But that may not protect him from House rules that say a member "shall conduct himself at all times in a manner that shall reflect creditably on the House."
On numerous occasions, the House ethics committee has cited that general rule in finding that lawmaker violated standards of conduct.
In her brief statement, Pelosi said she was "deeply disappointed and saddened about this situation." She mentioned Weiner's wife, his family, staff and constituents, but pointedly did not mention the congressman.
New York's senior senator, Chuck Schumer, said in a statement that he was "deeply pained and saddened by today's news. By fully explaining himself, apologizing to all he hurt and taking full responsibility for his wrongful actions, Anthony did the right thing. He remains a talented and committed public servant, and I pray he and his family can get through these difficult times."
Weiner succeeded Schumer in the House district that includes parts of Brooklyn and Queens.
The picture showing Weiner shirtless was reminiscent of a photo of former Rep. Chris Lee, a New York Republican who abruptly resigned from office earlier this year after a shirtless photo he sent a woman on Craigslist became public. A Democrat, Kathy Hochul, was sworn in to replace Lee last week after winning a special election May 24.
Weiner gained a national profile during the debate over President Barack Obama's health care plan when he outspokenly professed support for a government-run "single-payer" program for everyone and later a "public option" to compete with private health insurance. He got the notice of liberals even though both proposals failed to make it into law.
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Associated Press writer Andrew Miga and Matthew Lee in Washington and Chris Hawley in New York contributed to this report.
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Post#1088 » by ewingxmanstarks » Tue Jun 7, 2011 3:14 am

Its good that he's not quitting...longer he stays, the more damage he does to the democrat party, and the Obama agenda.
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Post#1089 » by mugzi » Tue Jun 7, 2011 3:24 am

Youd think, but these guys are like old mob dons who avoid any real culpability. At least he cant run NYC into the ground as mayor.
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Post#1090 » by GONYK » Tue Jun 7, 2011 3:25 am

mugzi wrote:What hubris from this sniveling little coward and his crocodile tears. "Democrats, the rules dont apply to us."

Go ahead anyone, defend this still as a non story and that he shouldnt quit. I wouldnt expect any of you to show an ounce of integrity here, because that's not part of your party's policy.


Weiner admits lying about lewd photo, won't quit

Mugzi, I have never really attempted to discuss these matters with you before, but I will now. I hope you take note that I am addressing you with civility and respect. I didn't call you out before, nor do I have any intention of doing so going forward. I promise to keep insults and insinuations out of this discussion.

Now, for me personally, I wouldn't call it a non-story. It clearly is a story now. I would say that I just don't care. If a man chooses to exchange lewd photos of himself to consensually accepting adults, it does not matter to me.

Anthony Weiner was elected by the NY populace to influence policy in a direction that they agree with, and to me, he has done that. He has fulfilled the duties of being elected.

Why does a man have to be chaste to be a politician?

Now, in all fairness, I know the Republican from NY 26 was put out due to his craigslist scandal, but to be completely honest, I don't care about that either. I don't think he should have lost his job over that. Unfortunately, from what I have observed, the right is the party of "family values". This kind of thing should cause more ire to the constituents on the right, because they elect people often times with their morality as a factor.

I don't believe the left has that same edict. You can draw whatever conclusions you like about me specifically or the left in general based on that, but it is what it is. I personally don't think a man needs to be faithful to his wife to be a good policy maker. That does not mean that I am unfaithful or in any way intentionally immoral in my own life, because I am not.
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Post#1091 » by mugzi » Tue Jun 7, 2011 3:32 am

I appreciate you presenting your perspective civilly. Yes, I dislike everything this man stands for and that was way before this happened. My point is simple and it comes down to equity. If a GOP congressman has to quit over the same issue, then so should Weiner and his vas deferens. But apparently there's a vast difference between the standards one party has to adhere to and the other.

Its black and white, theres no gray area here.
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Post#1092 » by GONYK » Tue Jun 7, 2011 3:39 am

mugzi wrote:I appreciate you presenting your perspective civilly. Yes, I dislike everything this man stands for and that was way before this happened. My point is simple and it comes down to equity. If a GOP congressman has to quit over the same issue, then so should Weiner and his vas deferens. But apparently there's a vast difference between the standards one party has to adhere to and the other.

Its black and white, theres no gray area here.

I understand what you are saying, and I agree in principle. Just to examine though, who pressured him to resign?

From what I remember of the story, the man resigned on his own no? While admirable to say that he holds himself to that standard, would it be fair to say that he would have been pressured to do so by members of both parties?

Just to have a comparable case, John Ensign committed acts much much worse than Anthony Weiner, yet he also refused to resign until an ethics probe was about to force him out.

What are your opinions on that? I'm not calling you out here, only looking for your viewpoint.
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Post#1093 » by mugzi » Tue Jun 7, 2011 3:45 am

Politicians although sometimes some of the vilest people humanity produces, have an obligation as stewards of government to live a life that appears free of contemptible behavior. And I dont care if its a republican or a democrat, you get caught doing something thats immoral, unethical or illegal you resign or are removed from office asap.

Now Im not God, no one has the right to regulate personal behavior imo, but when you hold an office of great power and responsibility, you take an oath to not engage in conduct unbecoming of your position. And acting like a sex crazed adulterer, lying about it and doing a mea culpa is unacceptable, no exceptions.
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Post#1094 » by GONYK » Tue Jun 7, 2011 3:49 am

mugzi wrote:Politicians although sometimes some of the vilest people humanity produces, have an obligation as stewards of government to live a life that appears free of contemptible behavior. And I dont care if its a republican or a democrat, you get caught doing something thats immoral, unethical or illegal you resign or are removed from office asap.

Now Im not God, no one has the right to regulate personal behavior imo, but when you hold an office of great power and responsibility, you take an oath to not engage in conduct unbecoming of your position. And acting like a sex crazed adulterer, lying about it and doing a mea culpa is unacceptable, no exceptions.

Alright, just for clarification then since you spoke in generalities, would it be fair to say that you believe Ensign, who didn't resign until he was about to forced out, Sanford who committed adultery and Vitter, who engaged in prostitution, should also resign?
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Post#1095 » by ewingxmanstarks » Tue Jun 7, 2011 4:21 am

One point to interject...Nacy Pelosi said she will oversee the most ethical congress in history....All accounts have John Boehner forcing Chris Lee to resign...Pelosi is now gonna waste money with a prolonged ethics investigation.....unneeded unless the thought is he used tax payer money somehow in his inappropriate behavior...there is absolutely no fair reasoning to one party to a higher standard then they other.
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Post#1096 » by GONYK » Tue Jun 7, 2011 4:25 am

ewingxmanstarks wrote:One point to interject...Nacy Pelosi said she will oversee the most ethical congress in history....All accounts have John Boehner forcing Chris Lee to resign...Pelosi is now gonna waste money with a prolonged ethics investigation.....unneeded unless the thought is he used tax payer money somehow in his inappropriate behavior...there is absolutely no fair reasoning to one party to a higher standard then they other.

I'm confused as to what you are complaining about here. Weiner did something that was, at worst, creepy. He did not violate any laws according to the knowledge available to us at this time, so he does not think he should resign.

Pelosi wants to make sure that he doesn't get to stay without further inspection, so she calls for an ethics investigation. How is that wrong?

I'll pose the same question to you: Do you call for the resignation of David Vitter and Mark Sanford? Did you call for the resignation of Ensign? Those men did things exponentially worse than Weiner.
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Post#1097 » by ewingxmanstarks » Tue Jun 7, 2011 4:49 am

It used to be that Rebublican or Democrate the bar has been set long ago....It used to be when a politician was caught in a mess...then the honorable thing to do was to accept that he broke a bond, and was unworthy of office....now u have them say I didn't break the law...it speaks to a dilution of values expected of these politicans...they need to be held more accountable, not less scrutinized.

In respect to Pelosi, she should do what Boehner did and force Wiener out, if she wants to run the most ethical congress....Like I said unless there is suppision of misuse of tax dollars, an ethics investigation is a waste of tax payer money, because if he didn't break the law, the worst that could happen is censure him...Charlie Rangle lived through that, it was a joke.

Wether ur Republican or Democrat, u don't live up to the high standards u r supposed to live up to as a representative of government than u should do the right thing and leave office...that goes for Vitter and standford as well.
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Post#1098 » by GONYK » Tue Jun 7, 2011 5:04 am

ewingxmanstarks wrote:It used to be that Rebublican or Democrate the bar has been set long ago....It used to be when a politician was caught in a mess...then the honorable thing to do was to accept that he broke a bond, and was unworthy of office....now u have them say I didn't break the law...it speaks to a dilution of values expected of these politicans...they need to be held more accountable, not less scrutinized.

In respect to Pelosi, she should do what Boehner did and force Wiener out, if she wants to run the most ethical congress....Like I said unless there is suppision of misuse of tax dollars, an ethics investigation is a waste of tax payer money, because if he didn't break the law, the worst that could happen is censure him...Charlie Rangle lived through that, it was a joke.

Wether ur Republican or Democrat, u don't live up to the high standards u r supposed to live up to as a representative of government than u should do the right thing and leave office...that goes for Vitter and standford as well.


You may be right, that it used to be that way. The fact is though, that it isn't anymore. That goes for both sides. There are men who have done things much, much, much, much worse and who are still serving their constituents. If you would like to stand on principle, thats fine, but it is not the reality of the times.

I can relate and bemoan a lowering of moral standards with you, but its useless. I would rather a man who does his job, be allowed to continue doing it, and not get forced out over exchanging lewd tweets.

If his actions can be proven to have involved taxpayer money or whatever, that is a different story. Otherwise, we have too few leaders to lose one over this.

I mean, David Vitter ran for re-election and won. So if the will of the people isn't to have him removed, why should he remove himself? Just because? Just on principle?
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Post#1099 » by ewingxmanstarks » Tue Jun 7, 2011 5:18 am

It is a rational view that u do have, if a politician is doing his job then it doesn't seem right to deprive the people of that, for something that has frankly little to do with their job responsibility, but when u start giving them leeway in respect to their morality, it does set a bad example, and can led to a slippery slope...I think its much worse that Blago stayed in office tho..I think that set a new low.
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Post#1100 » by lliiknicksiill33 » Tue Jun 7, 2011 5:20 am

I think some of you are missing the point with the Wiener situation. What he did with those women is his and his family's problem. We all have our flaws and he has more than we do.

The problem is that he LIED to his constituants and the whole nation for days. He also tried to push Brietbart under the bus saying that Brietbart lied while HE was lying the whole time. How can a constituant expect to trust Mr. Wiener on REAL issues that he's actually voting for? How can we trust that he has our best interest at heart (which he DEFINITELY does not) when he's been lying to the whole country for a few days in a row?

By the way, is there not anyone more sleazy, slimy, and arrogant that deserves this more besides Barney Frank?

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