Discussing Other Teams' Moves

[verbal8]

Read a rumor from Ric Bucher that a Monta Ellis / Iggy trade is in the works. Don't know if it will have draft night ramifications or what the specifics are but either way that'd be a pretty significant move. Seems like it would leave the Sixers with a logjam in the backcourt with Turner, Louis Williams, and Jrue already there, but who knows how it will play out.

I think they would deal Louis Williams in that scenario. They may only get an expiring contract in return, but a Ellis/Holiday/Turner backcourt could be pretty good. Of if they see Turner as more of a SF, that would explain dealing Iggy and they would probably keep Louis Williams around.

I like the deal from a basketball point of view for Golden State. I think they have enough offense for Iggy to be a core guy for them.

I think the Sixers leave a big hole at SF, and probably have to make another deal. However they increase their salary flexibility, without a huge hit in talent.

[nate33]

I don't see the logic for the Sixers. The Sixers' biggest weakness is that they lack outside shooting. Ellis is a better shooter than Iggy, but not so much when considering position. (One expects a shooting guard to be a better shooter than a SF.)

[fishercob]

I wish you could short stocks on NBA teams. The Marc Jackson hire seems insane to me.

[verbal8]

I wish you could short stocks on NBA teams. The Marc Jackson hire seems insane to me.

If only there was still protrade

[Ruzious]

I don't see the logic for the Sixers. The Sixers' biggest weakness is that they lack outside shooting. Ellis is a better shooter than Iggy, but not so much when considering position. (One expects a shooting guard to be a better shooter than a SF.)

I think it'd be a great good move by Philly and a solid one for GS. Philly needs a prime scorer - as well as better outside shooting. Those are the weaknesses of a team that depends on Iggy and strengths of Ellis. And Ellis should help make Holliday a more effective player.

[nate33]

I don't see the logic for the Sixers. The Sixers' biggest weakness is that they lack outside shooting. Ellis is a better shooter than Iggy, but not so much when considering position. (One expects a shooting guard to be a better shooter than a SF.)

I think it'd be a great good move by Philly and a solid one for GS. Philly needs a prime scorer - as well as better outside shooting. Those are the weaknesses of a team that depends on Iggy and strengths of Ellis. And Ellis should help make Holliday a more effective player.

Yes, but it would be a crushing blow at the other end of the floor. Iggy is their best defender. And the Sixers would suddenly go from having a big backcourt to a small one.

[Ruzious]

I don't see the logic for the Sixers. The Sixers' biggest weakness is that they lack outside shooting. Ellis is a better shooter than Iggy, but not so much when considering position. (One expects a shooting guard to be a better shooter than a SF.)

I think it'd be a great good move by Philly and a solid one for GS. Philly needs a prime scorer - as well as better outside shooting. Those are the weaknesses of a team that depends on Iggy and strengths of Ellis. And Ellis should help make Holliday a more effective player.

Yes, but it would be a crushing blow at the other end of the floor. Iggy is their best defender. And the Sixers would suddenly go from having a big backcourt to a small one.

I don't think they'd be hurting on perimeter defense. Westbrook's very good and big enough to cover shooting guards. Ellis isn't a shrimp and shouldn't hurt them. Against bigger scoring guards, they can use Turner. The improvement in offense I think would easily outweigh the drop in defense.

[verbal8]

I wish you could short stocks on NBA teams. The Marc Jackson hire seems insane to me.

Is there any precedent for immediately hiring someone with no coaching experience as an NBA head coach?

I am glad they didn't hire Cassell away from the Wizards.

[LyricalRico]

^ Was McHale a coach before he essentially hired himself in Minny? I know he was the GM there for a long time, but did he have previous coaching experience?

[gesa2]

I think Del Negro was in San Antonio's front office when he was hired by Chicago a few years ago. Not that that turned out well or anything.

[montestewart]

Bill Russell got the Celtics two titles in three years with no previous coaching experience.

[Wizardspride]

^ Was McHale a coach before he essentially hired himself in Minny? I know he was the GM there for a long time, but did he have previous coaching experience?

Fwiw, McHale didn't hire himself. He was ordered to take the coaching reigns by ownership.

But the answer to your question is "No". McHale had no previous coaching experience.

[LyricalRico]

Just to update the Toronto rumor we were discussing, it appears that the full rumor is:

Flynn+2

for

DeRozan+5

So the Raps would move up for either Williams or a big, and still get a PG out of the deal. Still just a rumor but makes more sense for Toronto with Flynn involved.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I wish you could short stocks on NBA teams. The Marc Jackson hire seems insane to me.

Steph Curry's going to feel the same way about the tenth time he hears "Momma, there goes that man", or "Hand down, man down".

[LyricalRico]

Amid increasing signals that the Philadelphia 76ers are finally prepared to deal Andre Iguodala after years of trade speculation, another potential swap has surfaced that would send the swingman to the Los Angeles Clippers for center Chris Kaman, sources with knowledge of the discussions told ESPN.com.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6641932

I think this makes more sense for Philly than acquiring Ellis. They need a center more than they need an undersized scoring guard. If they could somehow work the deal to also get Aminu, it would be a solid deal for them IMO.

But given LAC's longstanding anti-salary stance, I'm not sure they go for it. And other articles/tweets have said don't hold your breath. But it's out there, so figured I'd post.

[Ruzious]

I wish you could short stocks on NBA teams. The Marc Jackson hire seems insane to me.

Steph Curry's going to feel the same way about the tenth time he hears "Momma, there goes that man", or "Hand down, man down".

I laughed. I like Jackson, but I also question the fit for Curry - since he's such a different type of PG than Jackson was.

[Severn Hoos]

Just to update the Toronto rumor we were discussing, it appears that the full rumor is:

Flynn+2

for

DeRozan+5

So the Raps would move up for either Williams or a big, and still get a PG out of the deal. Still just a rumor but makes more sense for Toronto with Flynn involved.

So Minny drops 3 spots in this year's draft to undo their mistake from 2 years ago? Yep, makes a lot of sense there. (For the record, I wasn't overly upset over the '09 trade with Minny, but if I had kept the pick, I think I would have taken DeRozan - not Curry. Or Flynn or Rubio, for that matter. But I digress.)

It reminds me of the drafts from '92-94, when the Wolves picked ahead of the Bullets 3 years in a row and arguably got each one wrong:

1992: Laettner (#3) over Googs (#6)
1993: JR Rider (#5) over Cheaney (#6)
1994: Donyell Marshall (#4) over Juwan Howard (#5)

Not that the Bullets' picks were all-world, but there's some serious drama in the Wolves' picks, so I'd definitely take each of the Bullets picks. And of course the Wolves did finally end up with Googs, and he was an All-Star for them, so at least that worked out for them in the end.

[closg00]

INDIANAPOLIS -- Indiana Pacers players want interim coach Frank Vogel to get the full-time gig.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6646035

I think that it is absolutely horrible the way the Pacers have been leaving Vogel dangling in the wind. Vogel stepped-in and turned the team around getting them to the playoffs. The players really like Vogel.

[LyricalRico]

They did reveal a lean toward front-line help Thursday when Suns General Manager Lance Blanks and coach Alvin Gentry talked shop after the team's first meaningful workout, one of a few in the two weeks leading up to the June 23 draft, in which the Suns have the 13th overall pick.

"I think up front we need to get better and a little more physical," Blanks said. "On the perimeter, we have a surplus of threes (small forwards) but the off-guard position is something we'd like to inject. After that, it's a little bit of a free for all in terms of who the player might be and what the situation might be on draft night."

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/ar ... -line.html

The Suns can probably find a SG at #13 (probably Burks or Thompson), but they are going to have to make a trade for a big IMO. Blatche for Pietrus+Lawal works for me, but I'd probably start the bidding at Pietrus and a protected future first to see if they go for it.

[closg00]

They did reveal a lean toward front-line help Thursday when Suns General Manager Lance Blanks and coach Alvin Gentry talked shop after the team's first meaningful workout, one of a few in the two weeks leading up to the June 23 draft, in which the Suns have the 13th overall pick.

"I think up front we need to get better and a little more physical," Blanks said. "On the perimeter, we have a surplus of threes (small forwards) but the off-guard position is something we'd like to inject. After that, it's a little bit of a free for all in terms of who the player might be and what the situation might be on draft night."

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/ar ... -line.html

The Suns can probably find a SG at #13 (probably Burks or Thompson), but they are going to have to make a trade for a big IMO. Blatche for Pietrus+Lawal works for me, but I'd probably start the bidding at Pietrus and a protected future first to see if they go for it.

The Suns might make a a good trading partner, they only have one pick this year and the owners are very tight-fisted right now....but they have to get front court help somehow. Perhaps they bite on a Blatche deal, but I doubt we trade him after the new contract and Teds "Big Three" comment.