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[ewingxmanstarks]

I mention that he lied and Brietbart...I argee with u that's what it is important

[ewingxmanstarks]

Also, he didn't just lie, he went to great lengths to protect his lies...he hired investigators, lawyers, made jokes, staged press confrences, and cable news apperances....His defense that "I wasn't thinking" is a complete lye in itself...the problem is he's was thinking about how to deceive his way out of a mess he created.


Yeah Barney Frank will meet the devil one glorious day for America.

[HarthorneWingo]

One point to interject...Nacy Pelosi said she will oversee the most ethical congress in history....All accounts have John Boehner forcing Chris Lee to resign...Pelosi is now gonna waste money with a prolonged ethics investigation.....unneeded unless the thought is he used tax payer money somehow in his inappropriate behavior...there is absolutely no fair reasoning to one party to a higher standard then they other.

I'm confused as to what you are complaining about here. Weiner did something that was, at worst, creepy. He did not violate any laws according to the knowledge available to us at this time, so he does not think he should resign.

Pelosi wants to make sure that he doesn't get to stay without further inspection, so she calls for an ethics investigation. How is that wrong?

I'll pose the same question to you: Do you call for the resignation of David Vitter and Mark Sanford? Did you call for the resignation of Ensign? Those men did things exponentially worse than Weiner.

GONYK, don't forget Rep. Mark Foley, the republican family values guy who molested those under-age congressional pages.

[GONYK]

It is a rational view that u do have, if a politician is doing his job then it doesn't seem right to deprive the people of that, for something that has frankly little to do with their job responsibility, but when u start giving them leeway in respect to their morality, it does set a bad example, and can led to a slippery slope...I think its much worse that Blago stayed in office tho..I think that set a new low.

I agree, but morality isn't constitutionally or legally required to serve in office. People would just prefer they are moral.

If their constituents care, let the constituents vote them out of office.

I think some of you are missing the point with the Wiener situation. What he did with those women is his and his family's problem. We all have our flaws and he has more than we do.

The problem is that he LIED to his constituants and the whole nation for days. He also tried to push Brietbart under the bus saying that Brietbart lied while HE was lying the whole time. How can a constituant expect to trust Mr. Wiener on REAL issues that he's actually voting for? How can we trust that he has our best interest at heart (which he DEFINITELY does not) when he's been lying to the whole country for a few days in a row?

By the way, is there not anyone more sleazy, slimy, and arrogant that deserves this more besides Barney Frank?

Good riddance BIATCH! Karma is a bitch!

What does lying about a twitter message have to do with having his constituent's best interest at heart? He was lying about a personal matter that has absolutely nothing with his ability to do his job. He wasn't lying about breaking the law or violating the ethics code of Congress. That, I agree, would make him hollow to the people he serves.

You also seem to think that we should be mad just based on principle. If the people who voted him in feel so betrayed by something I think we all can agree is pretty minor in the big scheme of things, then let them vote him out. Why should he resign when people who have committed adultery and engaged in prostitution can still serve their people?

Like I said before, what he did isn't legally wrong. I'm not even sure it can be classified as infidelity, though, I admit I'd be pissed if I caught my girl doing it. It's mainly just creepy.

[HarthorneWingo]

I think some of you are missing the point with the Wiener situation. What he did with those women is his and his family's problem. We all have our flaws and he has more than we do.

The problem is that he LIED to his constituants and the whole nation for days. He also tried to push Brietbart under the bus saying that Brietbart lied while HE was lying the whole time. How can a constituant expect to trust Mr. Wiener on REAL issues that he's actually voting for? How can we trust that he has our best interest at heart (which he DEFINITELY does not) when he's been lying to the whole country for a few days in a row?

He was embarrassed. Give him a break.

If his constituents don't want to vote for him, then they won't. But I think that his constituents, being the social progressives that they are, they will see this as something between a man and his wife (and his therapist) and continue to support him.

You wanna talk about lies? We can talk about lies?

You wanna talk about Nixon (Watergate)?

How about Reagan (Iran Contra)?

How about Bush (WMD in Iraq, military credentials)?

How about John Ensign's lies?

Sarah Palin? GONYK just posted a whole bunch of her lies (which ewingxmanstarks is supposed to allegedly debunk).

[mugzi]

I know you lack as a lawyer a certain sense of decorum and morality since you have a license to practice lies, I mean law, but stop being a partisan hack for a moment and ask yourself if you didnt know the party affiliation of a congressman who not only showed a lack of judgment but also lied about it and refused to resign would he deserve to remain in office?

Yup, thought so. Get off your soap box Wingo you dont have a leg to stand on here I know it, you know it, but your ego might not know it yet.

[mugzi]

Nothing to see here folks, this from CommunistBroadcastStation... Hope n change, you better hope it changes soon, because you give this man four more years you may be like these people this article is talking about.

Chronic unemployment worse than Great Depression
The unemployed have, on average, remained unemployed longer than in the 1930s; Employers wary of job gaps in resumes


(CBS News) There is an unfortunate adage for the unemployed: The longer folks are out of a job, the longer it takes them to find a new one.
CBS News correspondent Ben Tracy reports that the chronically unemployed face the hardest road back to recovery, and that while the jobs picture may be improving statistically on a national level, it is not for them.

Tinong Nwachan, for example, has far too much time on his hands. When CBS News met the former truck driver he had been out of work for two years.

"I don't really tell too many people this but I'm not ashamed or nothing, I'm homeless," Nwachan said.

Summer job bummer: Teen unemployment 24 percent
Nearly 14 million Americans are looking for work
His day job is looking for work at a jobs center in Hollywood. He has plenty of company, including Fabian Lambrecht, who wonders when the economy's improvement will affect them.

"They're saying there are more jobs. I'm just wondering where those jobs are," Lambrecht said.

About 6.2 million Americans, 45.1 percent of all unemployed workers in this country, have been jobless for more than six months - a higher percentage than during the Great Depression.

The bigger the gap on someone's resume, the more questions employers have.

"(Employers) think: 'Oh, well, there must be something really wrong with them because they haven't gotten a job in 6 months, a year, 2 years.' But that's not necessarily the case," said Marjorie Gardner-Cruse with the Hollywood Worksource Center.

The problem of course is the economy, but some industries, especially certain manufacturing jobs, are not ever expected to come back. Experts say unemployed workers need to be prepared to change careers.

"That person has to realize that, discover what field they want to work in, become trained and find a job in that field," said Jerry Nickelsburg, Sr., an economist at UCLA.

Here's another problem: more than 1 million of the long-term unemployed have run out of unemployment benefits, leaving them without the money to get new training, buy new clothes, or even get to job interviews.

"If you have been unemployed for 6 months or more, it takes a much deeper toll - not just on your personal finances and your career prospects - but on your emotional well-being," said Paul Taylor, an executive vice president with the Pew Research Center.

Tinong Nwachan said no matter how hard it's been, he isn't giving up on his search.

"I'm taking everything one day at a time. Eventually I know I'm gonna find something," Nwachan said.

All he says he's hoping for is a job that will take more of his time, and take him off the streets.

[ewingxmanstarks]

Wingo, who do like more the Demunist party or the knicks?

[Nutty Nats Fan]

So has those lies of Palin been debunked yet and proof posted that Obama is more dishonest than her yet?

[mugzi]

Good for him. Score one for free speech.

Jilted ex-boyfriend puts up abortion billboard

AP – Tue, Jun 7, 2011

ALAMOGORDO, N.M. (AP) — A New Mexico man's decision to lash out with a billboard ad saying his ex-girlfriend had an abortion against his wishes has touched off a legal debate over free speech and privacy rights. The sign on Alamogordo's main thoroughfare shows 35-year-old Greg Fultz holding the outline of an infant. The text reads, "This Would Have Been A Picture Of My 2-Month Old Baby If The Mother Had Decided To Not KILL Our Child!"

Fultz's ex-girlfriend has taken him to court for harassment and violation of privacy. A domestic court official has recommended the billboard be removed.
But Fultz's attorney argues the order violates his client's free speech rights.
"As distasteful and offensive as the sign may be to some, for over 200 years in this country the First Amendment protects distasteful and offensive speech," Todd Holmes said.
The woman's friends say she had a miscarriage, not an abortion, according to a report in the Albuquerque Journal.
Holmes disputes that, saying his case is based on the accuracy of his client's statement.
"My argument is: What Fultz said is the truth," Holmes said.
The woman's lawyer said she had not discussed the pregnancy with her client. But for Ellen Jessen, whether her client had a miscarriage or an abortion is not the point. The central issue is her client's privacy and the fact that the billboard has caused severe emotional distress, Jessen said.
"Her private life is not a matter of public interest," she told the Alamogordo Daily News.
Jessen says her client's ex-boyfriend has crossed the line.
"Nobody is stopping him from talking about father's rights. ... but a person can't invade someone's private life."
For his part, Holmes invoked the U.S. Supreme Court decision from earlier this year concerning the Westboro Baptist Church, which is known for its anti-gay protests at military funerals and other high-profile events. He believes the high court's decision to allow the protests, as hurtful as they are, is grounds for his client to put up the abortion billboard.
"Very unpopular offensive speech," he told the Alamogordo Daily News. "The Supreme Court, in an 8 to 1 decision, said that is protected speech."
Holmes says he is going to fight the order to remove the billboard through a District Court appeal.

[mugzi]

So has those lies of Palin been debunked yet and proof posted that Obama is more dishonest than her yet?

Maybe if you stopped drinking the kool aid and believing everything you read heard or saw on the alphabet media you'd understand that this man is far more dishonest than Palin has ever been. But that would require a little critical thinking and those with your views are devoid of that concept.

See how easy it is to find a blogger with an agenda? Google is your friend. And for the record, if you think someone posting a bunch of half truths and suppositions with a known left wing bias is going to persuade anyone other than your own ilk, you're delusional. We dont care about what the left thinks of Palin, they are obviously intimidated by her, theyve done nothing but relentlessly attack and smear here since 08, but the woman still marches on and has millions of freedom adoring Americans that support her.

I found this on a libertarian blog, and this is 2 years old, O has lied plenty more since then.

For the first hundred days of President Barack Obama's administration, here is a complete list of 100 blunders, mistakes, gaffes, and public policies that threaten our freedom:

100 Blunders in 100 Days:

1. Promising to "publish all non-emergency legislation to the website for five days... before the President signs it," then breaking that promise over and over again.

2. Despite promising to keep lobbyists out of his administration, Obama has broken his word again and again (making 17 exceptions to this promise in his first two weeks).

3. Obama promised to eliminate income taxation for seniors making less than $50,000 a year. He has broken this promise despite numerous opportunities to keep it, including the economic stimulus package and his administration's first budget proposal.

4. The President also boasted during his campaign that "During 2009 and 2010, existing businesses will receive a $3,000 refundable tax credit for each additional full-time employee hired," and has failed to keep his word.

5. Obama made it part of his agenda to "allow withdrawals of 15% up to $10,000 from retirement accounts without penalty (although subject to the normal taxes). This would apply to withdrawals in 2008 (including retroactively) and 2009," but didn't include this measure in the stimulus package or his budget proposal.

6. Obama broke his promise to recognize the Armenian Genocide.

7. Obama did a shameless 180 degree turn on earmarks by sharply criticizing them (and bragging that he would pass legislation without a single one) and then signing a spending bill with literally thousands of them.

8. Obama promised a $4000 tax credit for college tuition, but backpedaled when he signed a much smaller $2,500 college tax credit into law.

9. Obama called presidential "signing statements" (letters of interpretation and recommendations attached to Congressional legislation) unconstitutional... then attached a signing statement of his own to a $410 billion spending bill.

10. Obama promised a different tone in Washington D.C. and a move past bitter, partisan rhetoric. It took him less than a week as president to berate Republicans and sully the dignity of his office by picking a very public rhetorical fight with a private citizen, Rush Limbaugh.

11. In his first private meeting with Congressional Republicans, instead of "reaching across the aisle" and seeking earnest dialogue, he smugly told them that he should have his way because "I won."

12. The White House violated the custom of keeping private meetings private by leaking this comment to the press.

13. Taking a page out of the Bush Administration's playbook, Obama applied shrill, frantic, fear-mongering rhetoric to assure passage of his stimulus package.

14. Obama revealed the duplicity of his rhetoric and the arrogance of his character when he took off on a ritzy Valentine's Day vacation in Chicago for the weekend instead of signing the stimulus bill that he said needed to be passed as soon as possible to avert an irreversible economic meltdown.

15. Obama did not criticize Congress for its secrecy and closed-door committee meetings in crafting the stimulus package despite his calls for greater transparency in Washington.

16. Obama's appointment of Hillary Clinton to the office of Secretary of State was unconstitutional.

17. His movement of the United States Census out of the Department of Commerce and under the direct control of the White House was unconstitutional, politically motivated, and a dangerous, undemocratic expansion of executive power.

18. Obama's decision to continue Federal funding for religious organizations that discriminate on the basis of religion is unconstitutional and just plain unseemly for a "liberal" Democrat.

19. One promise Obama has kept is in his distribution of TARP II funds to non-financial institutions, which is contrary to the stated intention of those funds in the legislation passed by Congress, making his action illegal, unconstitutional, and an expansion of unlimited executive power.

20. Despite the buzz surrounding Obama's closing of Gitmo, indefinite detainment and torture are alive and well under Obama's administration with his chilling executive order to continue the practice of "CIA renditions" -secret abductions and transfers of prisoners to other countries where they are detained indefinitely and their interrogations are outsourced to other governments.

21. Backing "the continued imprisonment of enemy combatants in Afghanistan without trial."

22. Asking "the Supreme Court to overrule long-standing law that stops police from initiating questions unless a defendant's lawyer is present, another stark example of the White House seeking to limit rather than expand rights."

23. Limiting "the rights of prisoners to test genetic evidence used to convict them."

24. Despite claiming our environment is in a state of crisis, Obama's extravagant inauguration alone emitted over 500 million pounds of CO2.

25. His lavish inauguration also cost $170 million.

26. After saying "We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times... and then just expect that every country is going to say okay," journalists discovered that Obama cranks the thermostat in the Oval Office.

27. Obama's Earth Day flights burned more than 9,000 gallons of fuel.

28. The Obama Administration ended funding for Washington D.C.'s school voucher program, while suppressing a study that showed it delivered better results at a lower cost.

29. Obama's daughters however, attend a private school in Washington D.C., enjoying the freedom of educational choice that the Obama administration has denied to poor children who live in Washington.

30. Out-of-control deficit spending.

31. Blaming Bush for America's deficits, but then increasing spending.

32. This is after saying on the campaign trail: "There is no doubt that we’ve been living beyond our means and we’re going to have to make some adjustments."

33. Made a big show of challenging his cabinet to cut a measly $100 million from the Federal budget (a .0027% cut in Federal spending).

34. Admitting that this doesn't even represent a spending cut by saying that it will free up more money for Federal spending on other things like health and education.

35. Moving to convert U.S. Federal loans to banking institutions into common stock, effectively nationalizing major portions of the U.S. banking industry.

36. Forcing U.S. banks to accept TARP money, then attaching strings ex post facto.

37. Acting to oust corporate executives like the CEOs of GM and Citigroup.

38. Promising that the U.S. government (i.e. American taxpayers) will guarantee GM's warranty.

39. Every time Obama talks about the economy or signs economic legislation, the stock market tanks.

40. "We can't go back to a bubble and bust economy." President Obama on April 14, while touting the kind of inflationary monetary policies that cause bubble and bust cycles.

41. "The Obama administration is signaling to Congress that the president could support taxing some employee health benefits, as several influential lawmakers and many economists favor, to help pay for overhauling the health care system. The proposal is politically problematic for President Obama, however, since it is similar to one he denounced in the presidential campaign as ‘the largest middle-class tax increase in history."

42. Increasing the timetable for withdrawal from Iraq beyond his campaign promises and leaving 50,000 troops in Iraq after the "withdrawal."

43. Deploying 17,000 more troops to Afghanistan, then several thousand more on top of that.

44. Obama calling on European leaders at G20 to provide more troops for the war in Afghanistan: "Europe should not simply expect the United States to shoulder that burden alone. This is a joint problem it requires a joint effort."

45. Using Bush-era war rhetoric and tactics.

46. Officially changing the name of America's vast, expensive, and endless overseas wars to "Overseas Contingency Operation."

47. "President Barack Obama asked Congress on Thursday for $83.4 billion for U.S. military and diplomatic operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, pressing for special troop funding that he opposed two years ago when he was senator and George W. Bush was president. This would push the costs of the two wars to almost $1 trillion since Sept. 11, 2001."

48. "President Obama’s plan to require private insurance carriers to reimburse the Department of Veterans Affairs for the treatment of troops injured in service has infuriated veterans groups who say the government is morally obligated to pay for service-related medical care."

49. Appointing Tim Geithner to the office of Secretary of the Treasury, even though he was a part of the problem with the economic status quo and evaded his taxes for years.

50. Selected Annette Nazareth for the position of Deputy Treasury Secretary, who withdrew after a month long probe into her taxes.

51. Appointed Tom Daschle to the Department of Health and Human Services, who had to resign his nomination for the position because of tax evasion.

52. "Barack Obama has been embroiled in a cronyism row after reports that he intends to make Louis Susman, one of his biggest fundraisers, the new US ambassador in London. The selection of Mr. Susman, a lawyer and banker from the president’s hometown of Chicago, rather than an experienced diplomat, raises new questions about Mr Obama’s commitment to the special relationship with Britain."

53. Appointed Nancy Killefer for Chief Performance Officer, but she had to step down because she didn't pay her taxes either!

54. Samantha Power resigned from the Obama campaign f0r calling Hillary Clinton a "monster," but was later hired by the Obama Administration for a position on the National Security Council.

55. Appointed Rahm Emmanuel as Chief of Staff, who failed to report five years of free rent at a US Congressman's property in accordance with IRS policy and congressional ethics rules.

56. Adolfo Carrion, Director of White House Office of Urban Affairs, "pocketed thousands of dollars in campaign cash from city developers whose projects he approved or funded with taxpayers' money."

57. Appointed Janet Napolitano to the office of Secretary of Homeland Security, who was clueless enough to falsely claim that the 9-11 terrorists came into America through Canada.

58. “The willingness of a small percentage of military personnel to join extremist groups during the 1990s because they were disgruntled, disillusioned or suffering from the psychological effects of war is being replicated today.” — Department of Homeland Security intelligence report

59. Transparency: "Administration Permits Only One Question, No Follow-Ups About Extremism Report"

60. Appointing Attorney General Eric Holder, who said "Though this nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot, in things racial we have always been and continue to be, in too many ways, essentially a nation of cowards."

61. AIG's second biggest campaign donation beneficiary: Barack Obama, who acted angry about the results of a bailout he helped to craft as U.S. Senator.

62. "For months, the Obama administration and members of Congress have known that insurance giant AIG was getting ready to pay huge bonuses while living off government bailouts. It wasn’t until the money was flowing and news was trickling out to the public that official Washington rose up in anger and vowed to yank the money back."

63. Giving Henrietta Hughes a house instead of downsizing the government to free up productive capital that could be used by businesses to employ her so that she can afford her own living arrangements while providing value to other Americans.

64. Warmly greeting, smiling at, and shaking hands with Venezuela's brutal, autocratic dictator- Hugo Chávez.

65. Bowing to Saudi King Abdullah. U.S. Presidents do not bow before foreign monarchs.

66. Then a White House aide poorly and awkwardly lied about it: "It wasn’t a bow. He grasped his hand with two hands, and he’s taller than King Abdullah."

67. At their first meeting, U.K. Prime Minister Gordon Brown's gift to Obama: "an ornamental pen holder made from the timbers of the Victorian anti-slave ship HMS Gannet," and "a framed commission for HMS Resolute and a first edition of the seven-volume biography of Churchill by Sir Martin Gilbert." Obama's gift to Brown: a box set of 25 classic American DVDs... that don't work on European DVD players.

68. Used "England" to denote the U.K. -a gaffe that people from Scotland, Ireland, and Wales don't appreciate and chalk up to American ignorance and parochialism.

69. Repeatedly reminding House Republicans that none of them voted for the stimulus package. He's really going to regret that during the 2010 midterm elections when they'll be the ones reminding America.

70. "The White House says the president is unaware of the tea parties-" either they're lying or the President is clueless. Pick one.

71. "Mr Obama is an accomplished orator but is becoming known in America as the "teleprompt president" over his reliance on the machine when he gives a speech."

72. This has lead to numerous gaffes such as Obama thanking himself for being invited to speak with the Irish Prime Minister, as well as...

73. The bizarre spectacle of the President "arguing with" a teleprompter during a recent speech.

74. "I’ve been practicing bowling. I bowled a 129. It was like the Special Olympics or something." -Obama on The Tonight Show

75. Choosing purebred dog, "Bo" for the White House family's "first dog" instead of adopting a dog from a shelter like Obama promised.

76. Gaffe: "I didn’t want to get into a Nancy Reagan thing about, you know, doing any seances." -President Obama

77. False: "More than 90% of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States." -President Obama

78. What? "If we do everything right, if we do it with absolute certainty, if we stand up there and we really make the tough decisions, there’s still a 30% chance we’re going to get it wrong." -Vice President Biden

79. Clueless: "You know, I’m embarrassed. Do you know the Web site number? I should have it in front of me and I don’t. I’m actually embarrassed." -Vice President Biden, who should be.

80. Scary: Obama to Rep. Peter DeFazio, one of the Democratic congressman who voted against the stimulus package, "Don’t think we’re not keeping score, brother."

81. Airforce 1 panics New York City residents with extremely low flight plan for photo op and no public announcement.

82. Obama's perpetual campaign. The only thing our President has ever really led in his life was his campaign... instead of actually governing, he's been sticking to what he knows for the past 100 days- campaigning.

83. Obama's perpetual campaign failing.

84. Brushing off, laughing at, and dismissing a serious and valid question about the legalization of Marijuana and its impact on our economy.

85. SCHIP.

86. The regressive cigarette tax that falls mostly on lower income households to fund SCHIP.

87. Buying into and perpetuating the swine flu hysteria.

88. Allowing the Department of Homeland Security to take the lead in managing the swine flu. It should be the responsibility of the Department of Health and Human Services. Flu epidemics are not national security issues- they're health issues. Conflating the two is a dangerous precedent that puts too much power into the hands of the DHS.

89. Making a big flashy deal out of releasing the President's and Vice President's income tax returns (Oooohh- transparency!), which every President has done for years now.

90. Being totally shown up by the Bushes- according to their respective tax returns, the Obamas gave 6.5% of their 2008 income to charity while the Bushes gave 23% of theirs to charity in 2007. Embarrassing.

91. Supporting and signing The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (Stimulus Package)

92. The health provisions in the stimulus bill.

93. Actually believing and preaching to others that consumption, not production, drives economic growth.

94. Obama's war on small business.

95. Bragging about his tax cut for 95% of Americans and not realizing (or conveniently not addressing) the fact that if it's funded with deficits and debt, it isn't really a tax cut because taxpayers will have to pay off the debt eventually (with interest) and the tax cut is offset by the rising prices of inflation.

96. Echoing Bernanke and Geithner's line that the economy needs more credit, while running trillion dollar deficits that hog up the credit market.

97. Timothy Geithner getting owned by Congressman Michelle Bachmann during his testimony in Congress.

98. Blatantly and unambiguously supporting policies that take from poor and middle class Americans to give to wealthy businesses and corporate executives.

99. Justifying these policies by saying that these businesses support poor Americans by giving them jobs and that they are simply "too big to fail."

100. Not realizing how suspiciously similar his argument sounds to "trickle-down," supply-side, Reaganomics.

[ewingxmanstarks]

beatdown!!!!!!!!!! Mugzi had 100 lies that a blogger blooged..WOW

[GONYK]

To be fair, the article that I posted and the article mugzi posted are different in nature. The one he posted is much more of a hit piece. I'm not saying that because it is about Obama, I'm saying it because of the content that is actually being listed.

I understand the point that mugzi was trying to make, that anyone can google a blog and find something to make someone look bad, but at the same time, there is a qualitative difference between listing Palin lying about something that amounts to a major ethics violation and Obama being "the Teleprompter President" or how much CO2 his inauguration produced.

[Pharmcat]

with regards to #65, is it ok to kiss and hold their hands instead like the previous prez did?

[ewingxmanstarks]

So has those lies of Palin been debunked yet and proof posted that Obama is more dishonest than her yet?

I read the Palin garbadge.....lies, exaggerations, and taken out of context..

Im not trying to be holier than thou, but when i call someone out for lying, I'm sure, or as close to sure as I can be that they are lying....

I told the other numskull (Wingo) that I would debunk the Palin lies this weekend, I'll also post the Obama lies too...

There r so many lies that Obama told, that I can spit off the top of my head, its ridiculus, but I want to do my best to provide proof....like I did last time btw.....So u'll get it...I doubt u will have an open mind...I say that because of last time, and ur confrontational approach to what I have to say even before I say it...

[MF Doom]

I read the Palin garbadge.....lies, exaggerations, and taken out of context..

Im not trying to be holier than thou, but when i call someone out for lying, I'm sure, or as close to sure as I can be that they are lying....

I told the other numskull (Wingo) that I would debunk the Palin lies this weekend, I'll also post the Obama lies too...

There r so many lies that Obama told, that I can spit off the top of my head, its ridiculus, but I want to do my best to provide proof....like I did last time btw.....So u'll get it...I doubt u will have an open mind...I say that because of last time, and ur confrontational approach to what I have to say even before I say it...

You been saying that for a couple of days.

[ewingxmanstarks]

To be fair, the article that I posted and the article mugzi posted are different in nature. The one he posted is much more of a hit piece. I'm not saying that because it is about Obama, I'm saying it because of the content that is actually being listed.

I understand the point that mugzi was trying to make, that anyone can google a blog and find something to make someone look bad, but at the same time, there is a qualitative difference between listing Palin lying about something that amounts to a major ethics violation and Obama being "the Teleprompter President" or how much CO2 his inauguration produced.

so u stand behined everything in that blog u posted?

[ewingxmanstarks]

The blog on Palin is such a joke....

Like I said I'm going to produce an honest compilation of what I perceive as deception by Obama.

Its kind of childish to come at me with condensation before I share my views...Why do u guys stick up for Obama, before hearing me out? Is he your hero?

[MF Doom]

People know Obama ain't ****. Some people just don't agree with Republican views.

[ewingxmanstarks]

Doom I can accept that not everyone shares my views, and dissension amongs the people is healthy in a democracy, but hearing what each side has to say makes for meaningful debate..

When me and GONYK are in a debate about two politicians, and wants to contradict a broad point....Posting someone else's lengthy statements to contradict my point, and all of start clapping, that's when the debate isn't authentic, and that's when biases by those that are following the debate are clear as day.


Be honest, all u guys that were screaming beatdown...did u even read the entire blog posted??