OMG... LeBron only 8 pts in an NBA Finals game

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Re: OMG... LeBron only 8 pts in an NBA Finals game 

Post#221 » by Tommy Udo 6 » Wed Jun 8, 2011 6:31 am

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Elias: Dirk Nowitzki has outscored LeBron James 44-9 in the fourth quarter in the Finals.



9 pts in 4 games in the 4th quarter. wow.


Against the Bulls, LeBron was guarded by Deng, who never got a rest from his coach. By the 4th quarter, Deng would be exhausted & LeBron would get his reputation as being a great 4th quarter player.

Thibs had other players to put on LeBron, but thibs does not make changes & the Bulls paid the price.

Deng made LeBron look so good in the 4th that even Scottie Pippen was impressed.
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Re: OMG... LeBron only 8 pts in an NBA Finals game 

Post#222 » by LuckedO » Wed Jun 8, 2011 6:37 am

Rerisen wrote:Well you should put stock there. I think you are over analyzing a small sample size in the playoffs. Even in the playoffs, most years teams don't play the #1 and #2 defense back to back.


Small? He's made it all the way to the finals. We're looking at 19 games here, that's a big deal! Bottom line is he averaged 11+ FTA in his prior 5 postseason appearances, despite facing numerous defensive powerhouses. This year he's down to 7.8. I don't see how that doesn't speak volumes to how his game has changed.

Then how the heck did his finishing % stay the same as the last two years and he's only averaged just under 1 less attempt at the rim


Like toodles pointed out, the % of his total paint attempts this season dropped nearly 10% compared to last season as far as 2pt FGA are concerned, so the difference isn't as minor as you're making it out to be. He gets inside significantly less than before. And again, I have to point at the many weak defensive teams one faces during the regular season. It's easy to penetrate against them, which is why I don't believe regular season numbers paint an accurate picture of LeBron's ability this season. Playoffs are far more telling because of the much improved D, and you can't ignore that LeBron's FTA have gone DOWN compared to the regular season this year, which is something that NEVER happened in Cleveland.

Yes, his inside scoring is down about 5% as a percentage of his total shots. Maybe he's not the best in the league at it anymore, but he's still close. Doesn't make him a shell of what he once was.


The real issue to me is how difficult it is for him to get inside, not necessarily his diminished ability to finish. He can still use to his strength to muscle in points, but he can't use his strength to just get inside from the perimeter. You need quickness for that, and LeBron simply doesn't possess that anymore.

Just think some of these posts are going overboard with some of the hyperbole.


It's the eye-test factor. If you are a BIG LeBron fan, then it's just hard to not notice how much his body has fallen off. IMO it's not hyperbole. I'm simply reacting to what I see on the court. I urge people to watch some game-highlights of Cavs-LeBron after a Miami game. It's like watching 2 completely different players.

Saying he can't drive at all anymore


Against top-level defensive teams, it's nearly an impossibility for him to get inside. I'm guaranteeing you that in these playoffs, 75%+ of his made field goals have come from the perimeter. If the defense is good, then jumpers are his only hope.
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Re: OMG... LeBron only 8 pts in an NBA Finals game 

Post#223 » by INKtastic » Wed Jun 8, 2011 6:52 am

The MVPlaya wrote:You know what's funny? Seeing all the people that will be eating there words after Game 5. One thing you have to admit about LeBron is, he always comes back strong after a bad game. I think some people simply look too deep into things, trying to come up with a reason to fit your agenda. He had a bad game, that's it. G5 LeBron will have a 30-8-8 type game, book it. I'm not even a LeBron fan, but you'd be crazy to doubt LeBron James. He's still the best in the league.


This was the game after a bad game (17 points on 6-4 shooting, nearly cost his team game 3).
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Re: OMG... LeBron only 8 pts in an NBA Finals game 

Post#224 » by Rerisen » Wed Jun 8, 2011 6:53 am

LuckedO wrote:Against top-level defensive teams, it's nearly an impossibility for him to get inside. I'm guaranteeing you that in these playoffs, 75%+ of his made field goals have come from the perimeter. If the defense is good, then jumpers are his only hope.


If this was true, I would expect to see a bigger hit in his efficiency. Because losing your most efficient offense should hurt a lot. As if he earned about 8 points a game inside during the year, and can't get any outside of transition now, it should be more noticeable.

But I don't think the hit to his efficiency (.575 TS% in the playoffs) suggests anything other than the good defenses he's played doing their job. Most of that was the Chicago series where he was at .569 TS%.

Most stars even see their scoring take a hit in the tougher post season competition. Wade's was down at a very similar degree so far, even though he is supposedly slicing and dicing inside as well as ever, like LBJ can't do.

I.e. Rose, Kobe, Durant, Westbrook, all these guys efficiency was down in the playoffs.
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Re: OMG... LeBron only 8 pts in an NBA Finals game 

Post#225 » by thecrowning » Wed Jun 8, 2011 6:57 am

Its pretty pointless to argue for and against Lebron's physical game at this point, when obviously, his mental game is showing such weakness.

I am not a LBJ hater, in fact i follow him all along, but currently left to feel a little being conned. lol.
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Re: OMG... LeBron only 8 pts in an NBA Finals game 

Post#226 » by INKtastic » Wed Jun 8, 2011 6:58 am

LeBron's problem isn't physical. He was just fine in game 3 vs Boston last year only to play like tonight in game 5. He didn't lose his athleticism in a couple of days. He was just fine a couple of weeks ago against Chicago. He's disgracing himself and the game when he comes out and plays like he doesn't care in games as important as these. Being "tired" in the NBA finals is the most absurd excuse I've ever heard. This is what tired looks like

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Re: OMG... LeBron only 8 pts in an NBA Finals game 

Post#227 » by Rerisen » Wed Jun 8, 2011 6:59 am

To whatever extent LeBron's weight is contributing to any athletic slowdown, he might consider shedding some for next year. Guys like MJ and Kobe experimented with getting stronger vs being lighter at various points in their later years to short up various aspects of their game where they wanted to be better for a particular year.
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Re: OMG... LeBron only 8 pts in an NBA Finals game 

Post#228 » by Baseline Runner » Wed Jun 8, 2011 7:16 am

StarsandStripes wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYe8B--jrbs[/youtube]


Actually if you listened to him he said he will not win one, not two, not three, not four, not five, not six, not seven, then he says he really believes it. So basically he said he won't win any amount of championships.
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Re: OMG... LeBron only 8 pts in an NBA Finals game 

Post#229 » by SSSFreak » Wed Jun 8, 2011 7:24 am

I blame the elbow.
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Re: OMG... LeBron only 8 pts in an NBA Finals game 

Post#230 » by BossHoggin » Wed Jun 8, 2011 7:27 am

LeBron is either having a mental problem or a physical problem. His hurt elbow and Delonte made him passive last year, so what's up this time?

Where is the real LeBron?

Wade and Bosh are doing great in his absence.
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Re: OMG... LeBron only 8 pts in an NBA Finals game 

Post#231 » by Pancho_Pantera » Wed Jun 8, 2011 7:29 am

There HAS to be something wrong with him. Injury, someone banging his mom, her gf banging the team, SOMETHING.

I am so disappoint in his performance so far. I still have the Heat winning but I think this series will forever ruin his legacy. This is his time to let everyone know that he is the next Michael Jordan and he is not delivering.

Oh well, hopefully we see another promising rookie some day.
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Re: OMG... LeBron only 8 pts in an NBA Finals game 

Post#232 » by City of Trees » Wed Jun 8, 2011 7:33 am

BossHoggin wrote:LeBron is either having a mental problem or a physical problem. His hurt elbow and Delonte made him passive last year, so what's up this time?

Where is the real LeBron?




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Re: OMG... LeBron only 8 pts in an NBA Finals game 

Post#233 » by Mk0 » Wed Jun 8, 2011 7:40 am

He is too big to play like he used to. Being a step slow is a big deal. If you are gonna bulk up you have to compensate your game and post the **** up.

It is a shame to watch someone so physically gifted lack fundamental skills.
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Re: OMG... LeBron only 8 pts in an NBA Finals 

Post#234 » by HighRyzer83 » Wed Jun 8, 2011 7:55 am

Tyrone Messby wrote:I mean...he's weak. It takes an alpha to be the man in the Finals. LeBron isn't that guy. It was almost sad watching him defer so much in the 4th.

The problem is not that he's not an alpha, its that he pretends to be.
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Re: OMG... LeBron only 8 pts in an NBA Finals game 

Post#235 » by italianleather » Wed Jun 8, 2011 8:38 am

Rerisen wrote:I.e. Rose, Kobe, Durant, Westbrook, all these guys efficiency was down in the playoffs.


Might be a shock to you. Ever since 05-06, Kobe has been scoring at the same efficiency (TS%) in the playoffs as the regular season.

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Re: OMG... LeBron only 8 pts in an NBA Finals game 

Post#236 » by lukekarts » Wed Jun 8, 2011 8:44 am

Pancho_Pantera wrote:There HAS to be something wrong with him. Injury, someone banging his mom, her gf banging the team, SOMETHING.

I am so disappoint in his performance so far. I still have the Heat winning but I think this series will forever ruin his legacy. This is his time to let everyone know that he is the next Michael Jordan and he is not delivering.

Oh well, hopefully we see another promising rookie some day.


The next Michael Jordan is delivering in the Finals, again. Just the public seem to be picking the wrong person.
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Re: OMG... LeBron only 8 pts in an NBA Finals game 

Post#237 » by schematics » Wed Jun 8, 2011 8:48 am

INKtastic wrote:LeBron's problem isn't physical. He was just fine in game 3 vs Boston last year only to play like tonight in game 5. He didn't lose his athleticism in a couple of days. He was just fine a couple of weeks ago against Chicago. He's disgracing himself and the game when he comes out and plays like he doesn't care in games as important as these. Being "tired" in the NBA finals is the most absurd excuse I've ever heard. This is what tired looks like

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WHen it's the NBA finals, you push way past tired and dig for every ounce of energy you can find.



^This is what i have been saying n also why i dismiss the crap talk about lakers losing in 2nd round due to fatigue. It's nonsense esp when most of these guys are on PEDS anyway. You dig down or go home!
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Re: OMG... LeBron only 8 pts in an NBA Finals game 

Post#238 » by big_ticket » Wed Jun 8, 2011 8:53 am

another hate thread on bron,nothing new
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Re: OMG... LeBron only 8 pts in an NBA Finals game 

Post#239 » by 9abovetherim » Wed Jun 8, 2011 8:54 am

SSSFreak wrote:I blame the elbow.

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Re: OMG... LeBron only 8 pts in an NBA Finals game 

Post#240 » by schematics » Wed Jun 8, 2011 8:55 am

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dcash4 wrote:
Elias: Dirk Nowitzki has outscored LeBron James 44-9 in the fourth quarter in the Finals.



9 pts in 4 games in the 4th quarter. wow.


Against the Bulls, LeBron was guarded by Deng, who never got a rest from his coach. By the 4th quarter, Deng would be exhausted & LeBron would get his reputation as being a great 4th quarter player.

Thibs had other players to put on LeBron, but thibs does not make changes & the Bulls paid the price.

Deng made LeBron look so good in the 4th that even Scottie Pippen was impressed.


:lol: I see what you did here...

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