Report: GSW discussing Ellis trade with LA

[Jajwanda]

Apparently the Lakers are also in discussions for Monta. What would be an offer you guys would come up with, I think Shannon Brown and one of the bigs would go for some kind of compensation from G.S.

Odom- Is it enough? Do we get stronger with an Ellis-Gasol P and R, replacing Odom with K-Mart off the bench and maybe another veteran.

Gasol- Perhaps we can get Lee+Ellis for Gasol+Brown which would be the strongest defensive roster we can have and would really take the offense back to 07-08 levels.

Bynum- Lee+Ellis for Bynum+Brown would make the Lakers UNSTOPPABLE on offense. Simply unstoppable. It would weaken the Lakers D and the Lakers would need to find a tough big man with some offensive game to replace Bynum somewhere.

[dockingsched]

here ya go since u reported it first. actual reports and not just random ideas are ok for new threads.

[dockingsched]

ESPN reported that a Monta Ellis-for-Andre Iguodala deal has been discussed - an idea that has been considered for the better part of two years.

League sources said the Warriors also have discussed Ellis, among a variety of other players, in trade talks with Atlanta, Chicago, Memphis, Orlando and the Lakers

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... s.warriors

[Kilroy]

Apparently the Lakers are also in discussions for Monta. What would be an offer you guys would come up with, I think Shannon Brown and one of the bigs would go for some kind of compensation from G.S.

Odom- Is it enough? Do we get stronger with an Ellis-Gasol P and R, replacing Odom with K-Mart off the bench and maybe another veteran.

Gasol- Perhaps we can get Lee+Ellis for Gasol+Brown which would be the strongest defensive roster we can have and would really take the offense back to 07-08 levels.

Bynum- Lee+Ellis for Bynum+Brown would make the Lakers UNSTOPPABLE on offense. Simply unstoppable. It would weaken the Lakers D and the Lakers would need to find a tough big man with some offensive game to replace Bynum somewhere.

The Lakers are always mentioned in trades... It drives up stock...

I might think about Gasol/Brown for Lee/Ellis... Lee and Ellis are both good players but Lee has a pretty hefty contract... We lose a little inside but pick up a lot on the perimeter...

I get the feeling though, that the Lakers are committed to the Pau/Bynum front court unless they can land Dwight...

[Desiderium]

i would die in happiness if that happened. i know it sounds crazy but it would be tough getting rid of any of our bigs...even if it is for monta ellis. unless u can somehow get lee with it. i'd keep bynum tho, if i had to choose, between lamar and pau. i would assume they prefer pau.

[Slava]

Prefer not to deal with Jerry West, he'd always get the better end of the deal.

[RocketPower23]

^Then again, since we are dealing with Jerry West, perhaps Laker brass could "persuade" Jerry to take on a package built around Luke Walton....

[dockingsched]

bynum/artest for ellis/lee is what i'd do.

m. jackson and west want defense and size, there ya go. lakers get more athletic.

[Desiderium]

bynum/artest for ellis/lee is what i'd do.

m. jackson and west want defense and size, there ya go. lakers get more athletic.

idk man...players with the size and talent of bynum are rare nowadays...pau/artest for ellis/lee sounds better to me. assuming bynum stays healthy tho..there's always that big IF

[Slava]

^Like it but if Bynum is involved would rather demand Curry who's younger, a better shooter, play maker and can be played at PG regularly.

Also if only Ellis involved may be we can get Dorrell Wright included somehow,

[dockingsched]

bynum/artest/blake/some 2nds for ellis/lee/wright.

even better

[The_Trade_Seer]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... s.warriors

The Warriors are making some noise this off-season. Brining in the Logo as a part-owner and consultant was genius, hiring Mark Jackson was bold, Jackson then predicting the Warriors make the playoffs immediately and turn the Bay Area upside down was even bolder, and now the word is that the Warriors are about to re-make their entire roster into a bigger, tougher version and that they may just be counting on the Lakers to help them accomplish such a transformation.

Now, I would be incredibly surprised if the Lakers were actually interested in Monta Ellis or if they felt he could be a full-time PG playing next to Kobe Bryant, however crazier things have happened (Iverson to Denver for example). If the Lakers were really interested in Ellis I would think the three possible deals on the table would be as follows:

1.) Bynum, Walton and Blake for Monta, Biedrins, Amundsun and the #11 pick which the Lakers could use on another big C prospect in Moteijunas.

2.) Gasol, Walton and Blake for Monta, Biedrins, Amundsun and the #11 pick.

3.) Odom and Blake for Ellis and the #11 pick which the Lakers could use to draft a replacement PF for Odom in Bismack Biyombo, one of the Morris' twins, Tristan Thompson or Kenneth Faried.

However, I believe it is more likely that the reason the Lakers have been called in regards to Monta Ellis is that the Warriors would like them to facilitate a three or even four way trade with the Philadelphia 76'ers and perhaps the Denver Nuggets.

I believe the 76'ers would immediately send Andre Iguodala to the Warriors for Ellis as they need a player who can score at a rapid rate and create offense for himself, something Iggy has never been proficient at. However, I also believe the Warriors haven't pulled the trigger on this offer simply becase while Iggy would fit what they are trying to do, namely get bigger and more dedicated to defense, their real target is an actual "big", not a wing player, something they don't really need with the emerging Dorrel Wright on the roster.

I believe the Warriors true targets are Andrew Bynum and Nene and I could see a three team trade as follows occurring, but possibly only if Jim Buss is not informed such a deal is occurring and his father, Dr. Jerry does this deal in the dark:

WARRIORS TRADE: Monta Ellis, Andris Biedrins and the #11 pick
WARRIORS RECEIVE: Andrew Bynum and Steve Blake

LAKERS TRADE: Andrew Bynum, Luke Walton, Steve Blake and the #41 and #46 picks
LAKERS RECEIVE: Andre Iguodala, Andris Biedrins and the #11 pick in the draft

76’ers TRADE: Andre Iguodala and the expiring contract of Tony Battie
76’ers RECEIVE: Monta Ellis, Luke Walton and the #41 and #46 picks in the draft

In regards to a four team deal, the following is probable:

WARRIORS TRADE: Monta Ellis, Andris Biedrins and the #11 pick
WARRIORS RECEIVE: Nene and Andre Iguodala

LAKERS TRADE: Lamar Odom, Steve Blake, Luke Walton and the #41 and #46 picks
LAKERS RECEIVE: Raymond Felton, Kenyon Martin and the #22 pick

76’ers TRADE: Andre Iguodala and the expiring contract of Tony Battie
76’ers RECEIVE: Monta Ellis, Luke Walton and the #41 and #46 picks

NUGGETS TRADE: A re-signed Nene, Raymond Felton, a re-signed Kenyon Martin and the #22 pick
NUGGETS RECEIVE: Lamar Odom, Andris Biedrins, Steve Blake and the #11 pick

The above three and four way deals are extremely realistic and certainly would be trades that would “turn the Bay Area upside down” in the words of coach Jackson.

As for me, a known Lakers fan … I’d pull the trigger on both of the above trades. In the three way trade I would use the acquired #11 pick on Jimmer Fredette or if he is not available, a top flight SG prospect such as Klay Thompson or Alec Burks. In the four team deal I would use the acquired #22 pick on a C prospect such as Nikola Vucevic or Lucas Noqueira or if neither are available a SG prospect such as Marshawn Brooks, Iman Shumpert or Josh Selby.

Your thoughts?

[RiotSweetie]

How would Ellis fit in with Kobe, Pau, and Odom who all need the ball in order for the Lakers to be offensively productive?

Not sure how Ellis would deal with taking the back seat to more than one player. He would also have to build on his PG skills to play side-by-side with Kobe, or Kobe would have to slow his role down so Ellis could slip into his natural position.

I'd be for it if the right adjustments were made to accommodate all of the players on our team and not because Ellis has a hot name right now.

[Jajwanda]

Everyone needs the ball to be effective. It depends how...

Kobe is in the high post, Bynum in the low, Odom on the wing against a PF, Artest in the corner, with the threat of Ellis breaking that defense apart on the catch of the kick-out.

[RiotSweetie]

My concern is never with our players. They've been together long enough to know how to adjust their offense accordingly.

Ellis has never struck me as a player who would put his pride away to win, probably because he's never been on a team that's been good enough to do so. He, more than anyone, would have to learn how to control his urge to score so he is actually able to get those drive and kicks going.

[The_Trade_Seer]

here ya go since u reported it first. actual reports and not just random ideas are ok for new threads.

I reported it 6 mins earlier and included a link to the original article ... my article rocks too, so I think this thread should be merged into mine

[Jetset]

How would Ellis fit in with Kobe, Pau, and Odom who all need the ball in order for the Lakers to be offensively productive?

Not sure how Ellis would deal with taking the back seat to more than one player. He would also have to build on his PG skills to play side-by-side with Kobe, or Kobe would have to slow his role down so Ellis could slip into his natural position.

I'd be for it if the right adjustments were made to accommodate all of the players on our team and not because Ellis has a hot name right now.

All of this pretty much. I just can't see that team working correctly.


And as someone eluded to eariler, I believe our name was just thrown in to bump value. Too bad this scenario absolutely makes no sense for the Lakers.

[Jajwanda]

I do see some of that concern with Ellis. Ellis isn't know as a good defender although he could become one. Compare getting Ellis and making the swap of bigs to say getting Calderon and giving up doo-doo. I know for a fact that at the very least:

PG- Calderon, SG- Bryant, SF- Artest, PF- Gasol, C- Bynum

Will be exceptional on offense.

Am I sure that

PG- Ellis, SG- Bryant, SF- Artest, PF- Lee, C- Bynum

Would be the same?

[Slava]

here ya go since u reported it first. actual reports and not just random ideas are ok for new threads.

I reported it 6 mins earlier and included a link to the original article ... my article rocks too, so I think this thread should be merged into mine

When you merge threads the posts automatically get sorted chronologically.

[The_Trade_Seer]

Oh, I see Jajwanda posted this 15 mins before me, while I was writing mine ... MINE should still be the thread for this as the opening article written by yours truly is fantatsic ... this post starts out goofy ... the Lakers aren't really interested in Ellis anyways.

Also, whoever said we should trade Bynum and Artest for Monta and Lee is insane! Are you kidding me? Lee is a 3rd string PF on this team and if we give up Artest who is manning the starting SF position? Barnes? No way!

Read my article ... this is all a ploy to get the Lakers involved in a 3 or 4 team trade with Philly and Denver.