Lather me with blather -- DRAFT thread 4

[Rafael122]

Chad Ford's latest mock has us taking Leonard at 6 and Marshon Brooks at 18.

I'm at work so I will post my thoughts on McGee for the 2nd pick later. But as of now I'm leaning towards yes on doing that trade if it were presented to us.

This is his mock 4.0?

Yep, his latest one, feel free to ask any questions about any particular guys.

And I agree, Ruz. I probably wouldn't pass up the opportunity to get 3 picks in the top 18. Even if this is considered a weak draft, we could come out with 2 or 3 starters and at the very least, a starter and 2 role players.

[tontoz]

McGee straight up for DWill? Where do i sign?

[rockymac52]

If we can trade McGee for the #2 we have to do it. As intriguing as McGee is, the window of opportunity to trade him for considerable value is closing fast. I like him a lot, but I just don't see him ever being the starting center on a good playoff team. Thus, I'm ready to send him away.

Could we follow up with a 6 and 18 for 4 trade and get Kanter?

[closg00]

McGee straight up for DWill? Where do i sign?

...and who would be our starting Center, Seraphin or N'diyae? I concede that JaVale will probably want to bail anyway, even if we do make the playoffs next year.

[Hoopalotta]

Good news, we're scouting Vesley and blowing off Biyombo:

DraftExpress Bryan Colangelo is in Belgrade right now watching Jan Vesely in the Serbian league finals. Also in attendance: Utah and Washington.

DraftExpress Tommy Sheppard. RT @DMVbasketball: Who from Washington is there? Thx.

DraftExpress No Washington tomorrow in Vitoria for Bismack Biyombo's workout. Will be Utah (GM), Toronto (GM), Charlotte, Golden State, Detroit

I'll avoid further editorializing beyond noting that I have put out a hit on Tommy.

As to the McGee-2nd thing, instinctively, I don't like it, but I agree with the point that we have to take the contract situation into it and it opens some opportunity if it's a part of a more concerted overall plan - it's of note that there's a bunch of free agent centers coming up this next year. I would expect that if we were thinking about that sort of adeal, there's a lot of backroom aspects (do we think we can extend McGee? Does Wall like McGee? etc.).

But I don't really like it on talent as an isolated move.

[sfam]

i'd rather not get into the reasons why, but i'd be very upset if we part ways with mcgee for Derrick Williams

I don't know what your reasons are but I'd be very upset as well.

I'm with you guys

I'd be OK w/ McGee for the #2 straight up, but definitely not if we had to include the #6 or even the #18.

[AnotherFinn]

McGee straight up for DWill? Where do i sign?

...and who would be our starting Center, Seraphin or N'diyae? I concede that JaVale will probably want to bail anyway, even if we do make the playoffs next year.

Blatche?

[Hoopalotta]

If we can trade McGee for the #2 we have to do it. As intriguing as McGee is, the window of opportunity to trade him for considerable value is closing fast. I like him a lot, but I just don't see him ever being the starting center on a good playoff team. Thus, I'm ready to send him away.

Could we follow up with a 6 and 18 for 4 trade and get Kanter?

Kanter and Williams strike me as a horrible pairing defensively. Each might be decent if paired with the right guy, but together I'm seeing an outright fiasco.

[tontoz]

McGee straight up for DWill? Where do i sign?

...and who would be our starting Center, Seraphin or N'diyae? I concede that JaVale will probably want to bail anyway, even if we do make the playoffs next year.

Who cares? We could put Belch at center for all i care. It isn't like this is an established, successful team.

[wake20]

I think you gotta do D-Will for McGee and then use #6 to grab Kanter or BB. While DWill and Kanter scare me defensively, I still think a McGee for Kanter or BB / DWill deal is too good to pass up.

[Wizardspride]

Just heard on ESPN 980 that the Wiz are supposedly offering #6, #18 and Javale McGee for Minnesota's pick.


If this is true, the Wiz must really love Mr. Williams.

[theboomking]

If we can trade McGee for the #2 we have to do it. As intriguing as McGee is, the window of opportunity to trade him for considerable value is closing fast. I like him a lot, but I just don't see him ever being the starting center on a good playoff team. Thus, I'm ready to send him away.

Could we follow up with a 6 and 18 for 4 trade and get Kanter?

Kanter and Williams strike me as a horrible pairing defensively. Each might be decent if paired with the right guy, but together I'm seeing an outright fiasco.

Well, this is a fair point. I don't love Williams on defense as a 3 or a 4, and I don't love Kanter as a 4 or a 5. I think the best defensive lineup here would be Kanter defending at 4, Williams at 3, and a true defensive center at 5. Still, Kanter, Williams, Wall, Young, and a defensive center don't exactly make an intimidating defensive lineup on paper. That said, defensively, I'm not sure the Heat are that intimidating on paper.

On the flip side however, Kanter, Williams, Wall and Young should be able to score with the best of them. Not to mention, a team featuring Kanter, Williams, Wall, Young, and a ton of cap space, should be extremely tempting for big time free agents like Dwight Howard.

For the record, I think the above scenario is a pipe dream. I think we'd be much more likely to take Williams at 2, and JV or Biyombo at 6. I have to say, I like the combination of Derrick Williams and Jonas or Bismack better than the combination of JaVale and Leonard or Vesely. Not to mention we would be drastically improving our team basketball IQ, and lowering the number of players on our team with gay French nicknames. Win, win, win.

[Mizerooskie]

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. The best shot-blocking center in the league (who's 23) for an unproven player in the draft with the worst top-end talent in a decade? Seriously?

Come on people. We have a potentially dominant defensive presence under our control, and he plays like he actually gives a hoot. He'd be the second-to-last player on the roster I'd trade away. His play will get more smarter and more refined as he gains experience. He's basically a rich man's Brendan Haywood. Haywood went from an idiot player to a solid option at center for a Finals team.

And I don't think there's any way he'll be a free agent (unrestricted, at least) any time soon. There's just no way the new CBA will provide for players that young to be unrestricted. It would be chaos.

[Ruzious]

Just heard on ESPN 980 that the Wiz are supposedly offering #6, #18 and Javale McGee for Minnesota's pick.


If this is true, the Wiz must really love Mr. Williams.

Uggggly.

[tontoz]

Just heard on ESPN 980 that the Wiz are supposedly offering #6, #18 and Javale McGee for Minnesota's pick.


If this is true, the Wiz must really love Mr. Williams.

Wow. If that is true, and i doubt that it is, Minny would surely go for that. I doubt they could do better.

[Mizerooskie]

Just heard on ESPN 980 that the Wiz are supposedly offering #6, #18 and Javale McGee for Minnesota's pick.


If this is true, the Wiz must really love Mr. Williams.

Ugh. I hope that isn't true. If it is, I'll be as firmly on the "Fire EG" train as I can be.

[miller31time]

Just heard on ESPN 980 that the Wiz are supposedly offering #6, #18 and Javale McGee for Minnesota's pick.


If this is true, the Wiz must really love Mr. Williams.

Uggggly.

Potentially ugly. Potentially great.

The 18th pick probably will not pan out to be much so I don't really mind parting with it. The 6th pick is not worth much either. You're going to get Vesely, JV, Bismack or some other player with a high bust potential.

And then there's JaVale, who I personally don't care for at all. Yes, I realize that he has fairly impressive trade value because of his potential but the head on his shoulders leaves me to believe that potential won't be realized for quite some time, if ever.

Williams, on the other hand, seems to be a good, high BBIQ player with drive and potential to boot. If we can get a legitimate #2 option out of this draft, especially a forward, you have to strongly consider the option.

[miller31time]

Also, the weak draft talk doesn't hold a lot of weight when referencing trading up for Williams. Derrick Williams was projected to go top-2 even when Sullinger, Jones and Barnes were all still in the mix. If they had stayed, this would have been a slightly below-average draft but not the historically bad draft it currently stands at.

[TGW]

Just heard on ESPN 980 that the Wiz are supposedly offering #6, #18 and Javale McGee for Minnesota's pick.


If this is true, the Wiz must really love Mr. Williams.

Wow...Minnesota is going to fleece us again? Geez.

[tontoz]

Just heard on ESPN 980 that the Wiz are supposedly offering #6, #18 and Javale McGee for Minnesota's pick.


If this is true, the Wiz must really love Mr. Williams.

Uggggly.

Potentially ugly. Potentially great.

The 18th pick probably will not pan out to be much so I don't really mind parting with it. The 6th pick is not worth much either. You're going to get Vesely, JV, Bismack or some other player with a high bust potential.

And then there's JaVale, who I personally don't care for at all. Yes, I realize that he has fairly impressive trade value because of his potential but the head on his shoulders leaves me to believe that potential won't be realized for quite some time, if ever.

Williams, on the other hand, seems to be a good, high BBIQ player with drive and potential to boot. If we can get a legitimate #2 option out of this draft, especially a forward, you have to strongly consider the option.

I would be ok with it if they did it, even though they are giving up a lot. The NBA is about quality, not quantity. DWill could easily be a 20+ ppg player, a legit go to guy. Guys like that are hard to come by.