Lather me with blather -- DRAFT thread 4

[WizarDynasty]

wow...you guys wanna trade a two way plus 7footer for a young jamison clone without the rebounding. Blatche, McGee and wall are the core of this team. We have them and we sign them longterm no questions asked. NO player in this draft is worth McGee. He is right up there with Wall in terms of the Wizards having any chance at being a dominant team. This draft has nothing but role players that we surround Wall, McGee, and Blatche.
I like young but he is a role player.
This team needs to stick to the path of post offense and rebounding coming off the bench and 3 and Defense small forward. If we accomplish that this draft will be a huge success. As i mentioned, Tyler and Singleton put this team into the upper echelon in 2 season at most. the only problem i see is getting singleton with the 18th pick will be hard and if we think Tyler won't be gone after the first 12 picks, we are just as delusional as the draft sites. Singleton and Tyler will be gone within the top 13 picks. We have 6th and 18th. Both players fit right in the middle of our two draft picks yet both players have far more value to our unique organization versus many of the other organizations. How do we tranform the 18th and th overall pick into two picks below 13. That's the problem.

[theboomking]

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. The best shot-blocking center in the league (who's 23) for an unproven player in the draft with the worst top-end talent in a decade? Seriously?

Come on people. We have a potentially dominant defensive presence under our control, and he plays like he actually gives a hoot. He'd be the second-to-last player on the roster I'd trade away. His play will get more smarter and more refined as he gains experience. He's basically a rich man's Brendan Haywood. Haywood went from an idiot player to a solid option at center for a Finals team.

And I don't think there's any way he'll be a free agent (unrestricted, at least) any time soon. There's just no way the new CBA will provide for players that young to be unrestricted. It would be chaos.

I would agree with you if I felt like JaVale was less of a flake. I just don't think he has a high enough basketball IQ to ever be a vital cog on a championship team. Plus, as spectacular as JaVale is at blocking shots, we had one of the worst interior defenses in the league last year. JaVale is a good shot blocker, but poor defender. As for JaVale playing, "like he gives a hoot", does he demonstrate this by leaving his feet on every pump fake, not rotating, dribbling the ball up the floor instead of passing to Wall, and passing the ball behind his back out of bounds? Also, JaVale asked to be called, "Pierre", this offseason.

Just heard on ESPN 980 that the Wiz are supposedly offering #6, #18 and Javale McGee for Minnesota's pick.


If this is true, the Wiz must really love Mr. Williams.

Did anyone else hear this? The Wolve's would fall all over themselves to consumate this trade. I have a very hard time believing this rumor. If true, it would imply two things. The Wizards LOVE Derrick Williams, and, they feel very strongly that JaVale is never gonig to reach his true potential.

[Benjammin]

Just heard on ESPN 980 that the Wiz are supposedly offering #6, #18 and Javale McGee for Minnesota's pick.


If this is true, the Wiz must really love Mr. Williams.

Uggggly.

Ridiculously too much. McGee alone, sure, I can see that. McGee and the 18th, sure why not. But to give all three for a guy who is not a slam dunk sure fire guy I think is too much. It would be yet another deal the Wiz make with KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHN where the Wolves actually make out better in a trade. Now, that may be what Minnesota wants, not what the Wizards are offering. While the 6th is not a great spot, Kanter may slip, Johnny V or BB are worthwhile considerations, or a tradedown with a team that likes a Kemba Walker or someone like that. You just don't throw that on the pile. If Derrick Williams were Blake Griffin, I wouldn't hesitate. If he were a young Elton Brand, or LBJ, or Durant, or Grant Hill, or Carmelo, or Webber or Dwight Howard, you do what it takes.

But Derrick Williams could easily be more like Juwan Howard, Michael Beasley, Keith Van Horn, Donyell Marshall, Mike Dunleavy or Drew Gooden.

[wake20]

I wouldn't exactly kill myself if we did that deal, but making known our intentions to give up the farm two weeks before the draft begins is DUMB DUMB DUMB.

[dobrojim]

not so sure about trading McGee even straight up for the #2.

I like DWill and agree he is a Hi-IQ player which I believe
is important for us. But I also agree with whoever said that
after Wall (duh) McGee is the next player on the roster
I most want to hold onto.

Risky times. Do you let McGee's highlight abilities
blind you to the truth that he's not very good.
What is your backup plan for C? 7DD, KSera or Howard(!).

Obviously this requires strategic thinking.

[jimij]

McGee for #2 I'd have to consider but I wouldn't give up the #6 to get there. McGee and just the #18 I don't think I would do unless we got something else back.

I'd be interested in Wall's take on McGee. If they've bonded or not would factor into my thinking on a McGee for Williams swap since this will be Wall's team for the next decade.

[Rafael122]

2 way plus 7 footer? McGee has no low post game to speak of. I'm not dissing the guy here, I think he's incredibly athletic, but that's all he is, athletic.

[Mizerooskie]

I would be ok with it if they did it, even though they are giving up a lot. The NBA is about quality, not quantity. DWill could easily be a 20+ ppg player, a legit go to guy. Guys like that are hard to come by.

4+ blocks/48 guys are MUCH harder to come by. There haven't been more than 2 in the league in a season for the last five seasons.

[Ruzious]

Just heard on ESPN 980 that the Wiz are supposedly offering #6, #18 and Javale McGee for Minnesota's pick.


If this is true, the Wiz must really love Mr. Williams.

Uggggly.

Potentially ugly. Potentially great.

The 18th pick probably will not pan out to be much so I don't really mind parting with it. The 6th pick is not worth much either. You're going to get Vesely, JV, Bismack or some other player with a high bust potential.

And then there's JaVale, who I personally don't care for at all. Yes, I realize that he has fairly impressive trade value because of his potential but the head on his shoulders leaves me to believe that potential won't be realized for quite some time, if ever.

Williams, on the other hand, seems to be a good, high BBIQ player with drive and potential to boot. If we can get a legitimate #2 option out of this draft, especially a forward, you have to strongly consider the option.

Perhaps, but it's just too much. I couldn't pull the trigger that includes both McGee and the 6th pick - much less throwing in the 18th pick as if it's a small order of fries added to a McDonalds value meal. Blatche with 6 and 18? Yes, I could agree to that.

[dobrojim]

I wouldn't exactly kill myself if we did that deal, but making known our intentions to give up the farm two weeks before the draft begins is DUMB DUMB DUMB.

I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that we've 'given up' anything
as far as our intentions go.

[theboomking]

WizarDynasty, the only reason that Blatche, McGee and Wall are, "the core of this team", is that this team sucks. The fact that you even reference Andray gives me pause. If we could trade Andray for anything of worth, he would probably be gone. Who do you think we could get from another team in exchange for this, "core piece"?

[sfam]

DWill might be great, and is worth trading Mcgee's potential for. But again, I'm pretty biased about getting rid of knuckleheads.

[RT31]

2 way plus 7 footer? McGee has no low post game to speak of. I'm not dissing the guy here, I think he's incredibly athletic, but that's all he is, athletic.

I agree. don't let the blocks fool you. McGee is a poor defender. He actually opens the lane so that players drive, so that he can attempt a block. so he gets a block 3 times...he gets a goaltend 3 times...and the driving player scores 3 times. I'd rather have a guy just rotate properly and force a kickout.

that said, straight up for #2, I'd do. +#18, i'd consider. +#6, i'd hang up.

[P'Oed]

that would leave quite the vacancy for a center *cough Dwight Howard *cough* SNEEZE


yeah, I know it's a long shot that the guy would even consider coming here but watching 2 guys like Wall and DWill fly around would certainly make him look twice.

[dobrojim]

2 way plus 7 footer? McGee has no low post game to speak of. I'm not dissing the guy here, I think he's incredibly athletic, but that's all he is, athletic.

I agree. don't let the blocks fool you. McGee is a poor defender. He actually opens the lane so that players drive, so that he can attempt a block. so he gets a block 3 times...he gets a goaltend 3 times...and the driving player scores 3 times. I'd rather have a guy just rotate properly and force a kickout.

that said, straight up for #2, I'd do. +#18, i'd consider. +#6, i'd hang up.

You left out he fails to block out 3x so the opp team gets an off rebound
dunk/putback.

Thing is though, he seemed to be getting better about all this by the
end of the year.

[J-Blaze]

why are we all assuming that cleveland wont take derrick williams with the first pick?

[TGW]

2 way plus 7 footer? McGee has no low post game to speak of. I'm not dissing the guy here, I think he's incredibly athletic, but that's all he is, athletic.

That's just untrue hating.

McGee was tied for second in the league in blocks, despite playing 10 less minutes per game than Howard, who he was tied with. Despite not "no low post game to speak of," he still managed a respectable 10 ppg in 28 mpg. Despite not being a good positional rebounder, he averaged 8 rpg in 28 mpg.

There are plenty of athletic bigs in the NBA who don't come near to Javale's level of production. Ryan Hollins, who could be Javale's long lost brother, doesn't come close. Blake Griffin, arguably the most athletic bigman in the NBA, doesn't average a block per game.

Basketball IQ comes with age and experience. Physical freakishness does not. Javale will learn the nuances of playing good positional defense as he matures. Hell, even Kwame Brown has learned how to make proper defensive rotations and he was widely considered to be an idiot who would never get it.

Give me 10 points, 8 rebounds, and close to 3 blocks a game, with good defensive rotations, and you have the makings of a very good center. Stop selling the kid short.

[Rafael122]

why are we all assuming that cleveland wont take derrick williams with the first pick?

Because they won't.

[LyricalRico]

Give me 10 points, 8 rebounds, and close to 3 blocks a game, with good defensive rotations, and you have the makings of a very good center. Stop selling the kid short.

Wait, are we still talking about McGee?

Oh, and don't forget the 8 or 9 goaltends per game. Include those and he almost averaged a triple double!

[Ed Wood]

I'm confused, are we just having a bit of fun at JaVale's expense or actually suggesting this trade isn't awful.

It's awful right, guys? Guys?