Official Transaction Ideas thread

[The_Trade_Seer]

You'll still need to do something about Blake and Fisher and what if Shannon doesn't opt out. There will be a total logjam in the backcourt.

Nothing is going to be done about Fisher other than decreasing his mins and working him into a coaching role. Blake could be traded or have his mins diminished as well. I hope Brown opts in as his contract is great value and easily tradeable, the guy is a solid player.

[Jajwanda]

I posted this before, but you guys would seriously not do Kleiza+Calderon for Walton+Blake. Apparently Calderon was decent on defense this past year and it's not like we're giving up much defensively. At least we get that much better on offense and control the tempo. It won't hurt us much against Miami either.

[Jajwanda]

What about something simple like Pat Mills and signing Daquan Cook? That's a decent combo, very simple too. Then if we can upgrade during the year we do so in a larger deal.

Enough of these small deals Jajwanda. Mills and Cook aren't going to make us that much better and put us over the top. And as far as upgrading during the year, we should be looking at better pieces in the offseason to sign and possibly trade along with say Bynum. Mills and Cook aren't going to get us anything, even packaged with Bynum.

The smallest deals sometimes make a huge impact. Kupchak already has made clear the big men won't go cheap.

[fongie24]

I posted this before, but you guys would seriously not do Kleiza+Calderon for Walton+Blake. Apparently Calderon was decent on defense this past year and it's not like we're giving up much defensively. At least we get that much better on offense and control the tempo. It won't hurt us much against Miami either.

I would do that trade. We aren't losing out on Walton, and we don't lose much with Blake. Calderon may not be great defensively, but its not like Blake is a defensive monster. Kleiza probably wouldn't get much time, or maybe if we decided to make a bigger trade mid season or something we could include him in that. I don't think Calderon could do any worse than Blake did last year, I think its a no brainer.

[EnigmaticProblem]

Though Blake isn't a monster, defensively, he's actually adequate-- Calderon rolls out the red carpet for penetration. However, Calderon would do a much, much, much better job, on the offensive end; his efficiency is grossly underrated. I'm not sure who I'd rather have. . .

Kleiza may be a huge improvement on Walton, but he's also atrocious on the defensive end. He's absurdly inconsistent, as well.

I'd rather keep Blake and Walton, to be completely honest. Calderon is scheduled to make $20 million, over the next 2 seasons, and Kleiza'll be making approximately $13.5 million over the next 3 seasons, with a player option of $4.6 million in his 4th. Without further elaboration, simply put, Blake makes less than Kleiza, and Walton makes less than Calderon.

[Jajwanda]

Jarret Jack+Landry for Odom? Simple deal.

[EnigmaticProblem]

I love Jarret Jack, but Odom's worth much more than that. He's an all-star caliber big man. . .

[Jajwanda]

He hasn't made one and Landry's not worth much less.

Orlando sends Nelson+Bass and we sign K-Mart I think that's more than enough in the interior and we've got our legit PG.

[EnigmaticProblem]

Skilled big men are extremely difficult to come by. You have to understand that Odom's offensive-defensive capabilities far exceed those of Landry's and Martin's. In fact, he's a better defender at his position than the majority of starting big men. There's not much to be said of his offensive contributions. . .

I wouldn't welcome a trade involving Odom unless a player of equal caliber came back. Remember, the team that wins any trade is the team that receives the best player involved. Prove me wrong, on that?

P.S., Nelson is a glorified Nate Robinson. Magic fans hate him, and would love to get him for Odom.
P.P.S., Just 'cause he hasn't made one doesn't mean he shouldn't have. Politricks. . .

[jcwkings]

Here is a felton trade, i think is fair.

Denver Trades: Felton, Chris Anderson

Lakers Trade:Odom, Blake, 2nd rounder


My take: ok so odom has more value then felton, but felton is a younger player. He is only 26 and is a good fit for la. Odom is 31 and for the most part does not fit with the rest of our young core, but we do need a veteran.Felton can be your pg for years and odom could give us maybe 2 to 3 good year before he starts slowing down. We also give you guys a solid back up center. Which is hard to find. So we fix 2 of you problems.

Denver Lineup:
lawson/blake
Afflalo/?
Gallinari/Chandler
Odom/Harrington
Nene/Mozgov


La lineup:
Felton/fisher
bryant/brown
artest/barnes
gasol/?
bynum/anderson

Talk about a loaded team although you will need a spark of the bench. If we can't resign j.r smith ...then i would definitely look into him.

[Jetset]

Here is a felton trade, i think is fair.

Denver Trades: Felton, Chris Anderson

Lakers Trade:Odom, Blake, 2nd rounder


My take: ok so odom has more value then felton, but felton is a younger player. He is only 26 and is a good fit for la. Odom is 31 and for the most part does not fit with the rest of our young core, but we do need a veteran.Felton can be your pg for years and odom could give us maybe 2 to 3 good year before he starts slowing down. We also give you guys a solid back up center. Which is hard to find. So we fix 2 of you problems.

Denver Lineup:
lawson/blake
Afflalo/?
Gallinari/Chandler
Odom/Harrington
Nene/Mozgov


La lineup:
Felton/fisher
bryant/brown
artest/barnes
gasol/?
bynum/anderson

Talk about a loaded team although you will need a spark of the bench. If we can't resign j.r smith ...then i would definitely look into him.

Consider it done. No takebacks.

[EnigmaticProblem]

Horrible trade. Felton is way overrated. . .

Same with Anderson.

[Jetset]

^ Who are you? Are you a Laker fan? And where have you been, because I haven't seen you around at all.

If anything Felton is underrated, you saying he's overrated is overrated. He's the perfect fit, yeah it would hurt getting rid of the versatility Odom provides but we desperately need a PG, and we're getting a serviceable backup C in the deal as well.

[Jajwanda]

Felton is a legitimate starting PG. Anderson is a top backup C on a reasonable deal.

[The_Trade_Seer]

I posted this before, but you guys would seriously not do Kleiza+Calderon for Walton+Blake. Apparently Calderon was decent on defense this past year and it's not like we're giving up much defensively. At least we get that much better on offense and control the tempo. It won't hurt us much against Miami either.

I'd do that deal but the financials don't work ... we'd have to include Shannon Brown (I wouldn't do that if he was willing to re-up with us) or the expiring contracts of Joe Smith and Ratliff in a pre-draft deal which I would do.

[The_Trade_Seer]

What about something simple like Pat Mills and signing Daquan Cook? That's a decent combo, very simple too. Then if we can upgrade during the year we do so in a larger deal.

Enough of these small deals Jajwanda. Mills and Cook aren't going to make us that much better and put us over the top. And as far as upgrading during the year, we should be looking at better pieces in the offseason to sign and possibly trade along with say Bynum. Mills and Cook aren't going to get us anything, even packaged with Bynum.

The smallest deals sometimes make a huge impact. Kupchak already has made clear the big men won't go cheap.

It's true that small deals can have major impact but I'm with Jetset on this one ... Mills and Cook simply don't make much of a difference at all. Cook is nothing but a streaky shooter and we could get someone just as good with less mental baggage in the 2nd round of the draft. Mills is nothing special and we could also get a PG just as good in the 2nd round of the draft.

Some small moves that could pay huge dividends would be signing a guy like Delonte West or combing some of the 2nd round picks to move up and draft a PG like Reggie Jackson, etc.

[The_Trade_Seer]

Though Blake isn't a monster, defensively, he's actually adequate-- Calderon rolls out the red carpet for penetration. However, Calderon would do a much, much, much better job, on the offensive end; his efficiency is grossly underrated. I'm not sure who I'd rather have. . .

Kleiza may be a huge improvement on Walton, but he's also atrocious on the defensive end. He's absurdly inconsistent, as well.

Very well said and 100% correct.

I'd rather keep Blake and Walton, to be completely honest. Calderon is scheduled to make $20 million, over the next 2 seasons, and Kleiza'll be making approximately $13.5 million over the next 3 seasons, with a player option of $4.6 million in his 4th. Without further elaboration, simply put, Blake makes less than Kleiza, and Walton makes less than Calderon.

You're right again, however ... this is not a talent equal but financially varied deal only ... you're right that Blake is a much better defender than Calderon and that Calderon is much better on the offensive end, however to say they are equal players is incorrect. Steve Blake is nothing more than a backup quality journey man and good team-mate, period. Calderon is a horrendously bad defensive player that is an all-world efficient offensive PG, one of the best plate setters in the league and a great teammate as well. If the financials were even one would have to include a 1st and 2nd round pick along with cash to swap Blake for Calderon.

As for Kleiza and Walton, the simple fact is that Luke Walton is absolutely useless to the Lakers. He is nothing more than a bench riding water boy who makes a ridiculous amount of money. Kleiza does have a rather bad contract and is wildly inconsistent but he is also a guy that can drop 25 on any given night, can create matchup problems and stretch the defense just by stepping onto the court and also known as a good teammate and tough competitor.

I would definitely pull the trigger on this deal if I was Lakers brass.

[The_Trade_Seer]

Jarret Jack+Landry for Odom? Simple deal.

Good thought as it fills two needs and both Jack and Landry are adequate players ... but ... simply put, Odom is worth much more around the league than this.

I would not scream if this deal went down, but I think the Lakers could do better. I'm positive the Lakers could get Felton and the #22 from Denver for Odom or Felton and a re-signed K-Mart for Odom and Walton, both of which are higher value deals than the Jack/Landry combo. I believe the Lakers could also get Blatche and the #18 pick, Diaw and the #19, Turiaf/Douglas and the #17, etc, all of which are a bit higher value than the Hornets deal.

He hasn't made one (All-Star tyeam, added) and Landry's not worth much less.

Landry is worth much, much, much less than Odom. Landry will be lucky to get a penny more than the MLE this offseason while Odom would easily command 10+ mil a year on the open market.

Orlando sends Nelson+Bass and we sign K-Mart I think that's more than enough in the interior and we've got our legit PG.

Again, not enough value .... not even close.

[The_Trade_Seer]

Skilled big men are extremely difficult to come by. You have to understand that Odom's offensive-defensive capabilities far exceed those of Landry's and Martin's. In fact, he's a better defender at his position than the majority of starting big men. There's not much to be said of his offensive contributions. . .

I wouldn't welcome a trade involving Odom unless a player of equal caliber came back. Remember, the team that wins any trade is the team that receives the best player involved. Prove me wrong, on that?

P.S., Nelson is a glorified Nate Robinson. Magic fans hate him, and would love to get him for Odom.

Man, where did you come from? I like your posts ... very intelligent. The Nelson being a glorified lil Nate is absolutely true ... I would even rather have Nate as he's younger and cheaper.

The only thing I would disagree on is the statement that the team that wins every trade is the team that gets the best player in return. I would agree that such is generally true, maybe even 80+% of the time, but not always.

Toronto won the Vince Carter to Nets trade (for financial reasons) despite the Nets getting the best player. We won the Shaq to Miami trade. The Suns murdered the Magic on the Hedo trade despite Hedo being the best player involved and landing in Orlando. I even believe that the Nuggets absolutely raped the Knicks on the Melo deal ... I could go on.

If we could get Felton, the Birdman and the #22 for Odom and Blake I would feel very confident that we won that trade even though Odom was the best playher involved and we'd be losing him.

Likewise, had I been Pat Riley this yerar I would have absolutely traded Wade and Mike Miller to the Nuggets for Felton, Nene, J.R. Smith and the #22 pick ... and I'd be enjoying my Finals sweep by this time

[Jajwanda]

You know we haven't discussed it much but the SF spot with Barnes-Artest is a problem. There's no way you can expect well executed offense to come from those two spots and the load is completely on Kobe. I'd like to bench Artest and match him minute for minute with Odom. He plays better with Odom and can at least be in the paint where he's less of a problem on offense. He'd still play about 30mpg.

Any suggestions for a true 3 point threat instead of Matt Barnes?

- Shane Battier
- Tayshaun Prince
- Jason Richardson