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PG: Epic Choke Part II

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Re: PG: Epic Choke Part II 

Post#361 » by Alex Trevelyan » Wed Jun 8, 2011 10:12 pm

$h!t happens isn't an excuse. The Mavs stepped up their defense, Dirk is a demi-god, it's on the road, etc, etc. None of that matters. This series is a mismatch. The Mavs defense shouldn't be able to contain 3 of the best offensive players in the league, it is an embarrassment that the Heat with 2 of the greatest players the game has ever seen could manage 83-points against a pedestrian defense, with age all over their roster. The Thunder managed 101 ppg against these guys. Who would have thought that at the beginning of the season this team wouldn't be able to beat teams with their offense? We're winning games the same way the Knicks did in the 90s. Jason Terry mouthing off that if they break a 100 the Heat can't win. And you know what? He's telling the truth!

The series should have been over 4-0. We may very well win this in six. It still doesn't change the fact that when this team had the opportunity to kill the opponent, they didn't, and eventually that will bite us in the ass. If we win this it'll be on talent alone. The Mavs are just not talented enough and are too old. In the future that will not be the case. This is about more than just a one-off championship, this is about historical legacy going forward. I don't care about LeBron's legacy, I care about a very large trophy case for the Miami Heat. Greatness is taking opportunities when they're presented to you, greatness doesn't say "we'll get them in the end."

If they played within an offensive system that sought to maximize ball movement with the sole purpose of getting our best players the highest percentage shots on every possession there would be no drama in these games. Where is this team's collective judgment? 30 3-pointers in game 2? Are you kidding? Why aren't they driving on every possession? LeBron's washed up athletically? Give me a break. 14% on 3s last night? Inexcusable. Why isn't House in the game to bust the zone?
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Re: PG: Epic Choke Part II 

Post#362 » by DefenseWins » Wed Jun 8, 2011 10:16 pm

The Thunder got a crap load of FT's. The Heat aren't doing their job on that part.
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Re: PG: Epic Choke Part II 

Post#363 » by HEATVols865 » Wed Jun 8, 2011 10:39 pm

agentk16 wrote:Just pointing this out: When Rick Carlise gets a technical foul in this series, the Mavs are 2-0.


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Re: PG: Epic Choke Part II 

Post#364 » by GameTime_3 » Wed Jun 8, 2011 11:10 pm

One thing I find interesting; In the NBA Finals LeBron James has shied away from talking but from what I remember, when LeBron talks he backs it up. I remember against Cleveland/Orlando, Bron was talking and when he was talking he just feed his own game. Kinda how Terry sparked himself or Bosh ask for the ball earlier in the year and improved. I want LeBron talking, I want LeBron fighting back instead of just being quiet...Being quiet isn't LeBron, thats what the Media wants him to be....
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Re: PG: Epic Choke Part II 

Post#365 » by Nupe_1911 » Wed Jun 8, 2011 11:35 pm

Alex Trevelyan wrote:$h!t happens isn't an excuse. The Mavs stepped up their defense, Dirk is a demi-god, it's on the road, etc, etc. None of that matters. This series is a mismatch. The Mavs defense shouldn't be able to contain 3 of the best offensive players in the league, it is an embarrassment that the Heat with 2 of the greatest players the game has ever seen could manage 83-points against a pedestrian defense, with age all over their roster. The Thunder managed 101 ppg against these guys. Who would have thought that at the beginning of the season this team wouldn't be able to beat teams with their offense? We're winning games the same way the Knicks did in the 90s. Jason Terry mouthing off that if they break a 100 the Heat can't win. And you know what? He's telling the truth!

The series should have been over 4-0. We may very well win this in six. It still doesn't change the fact that when this team had the opportunity to kill the opponent, they didn't, and eventually that will bite us in the ass. If we win this it'll be on talent alone. The Mavs are just not talented enough and are too old. In the future that will not be the case. This is about more than just a one-off championship, this is about historical legacy going forward. I don't care about LeBron's legacy, I care about a very large trophy case for the Miami Heat. Greatness is taking opportunities when they're presented to you, greatness doesn't say "we'll get them in the end."

If they played within an offensive system that sought to maximize ball movement with the sole purpose of getting our best players the highest percentage shots on every possession there would be no drama in these games. Where is this team's collective judgment? 30 3-pointers in game 2? Are you kidding? Why aren't they driving on every possession? LeBron's washed up athletically? Give me a break. 14% on 3s last night? Inexcusable. Why isn't House in the game to bust the zone?


The Heat run a 1-4 Hero Ball offense 90% of the time. It is great when at least two of the big three are hot. It is pedestrian when 2 of the big three are not hot. It is also hurting that the Mavs are reducing their turnovers as the series goes on which is forcing the Heat to play more Hero Ball.

The Mavs depend more on ball movement and sets to score. Thus, even when Dirk is cold the Mav offense is still creating good looks for the second, third and fourth options 70% of the time.

The Mav D is not great but the 2-3 cuts down on the effectiveness of hero ball it seems.
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Re: PG: Epic Choke Part II 

Post#366 » by Pimpwerx » Thu Jun 9, 2011 12:16 am

salqaddoumi wrote:Did anyone wake up with a knot in their stomach this morning? I feel more awful than I did last night and I'm not really sure why.

Nah. Pretty easy for me to get over disappointment now. During those crazy losing streaks this season, I'd just forget the night before and hope the team was focused on the next game. I felt worse after Game2 because in that game, it was a defensive collapse. Last night the defense held strong. So the shortcomings were elsewhere. PEACE.
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Re: PG: Epic Choke Part II 

Post#367 » by miamiballer » Thu Jun 9, 2011 12:34 am

i dono man...after every loss this finals...i get so pissed and sad...i mean i get restless til the next game and i can only be happy again if we win.....watching the playoffs isnt fun anymore lol
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Re: PG: Epic Choke Part II 

Post#368 » by Nupe_1911 » Thu Jun 9, 2011 12:53 am

miamiballer wrote:i dono man...after every loss this finals...i get so pissed and sad...i mean i get restless til the next game and i can only be happy again if we win.....watching the playoffs isnt fun anymore lol


I just don't take sports this seriously. It is just entertainment. If I took sports more seriously I'd be foaming at the mouth and ranting about a certain bball coach...
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Re: PG: Epic Choke Part II 

Post#369 » by jamesnamida » Thu Jun 9, 2011 3:01 am

I have a question for heat fans,
Why does Spo keep playing Mike Miller when he has been choking this series away, i mean missed open 3's and layups, turnovers, and honestly he is not that much better on d then other options.
James Jones killed it vs the celtics 2 guards, and the mavs are similar.
Hell eddie house can at least make the open 3's.
He played most of the last 7 minutes, and that was when the mavs made their run. he had 2 crucial turnovers and 3 missed wide open looks.
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Re: PG: Epic Choke Part II 

Post#370 » by DefenseWins » Thu Jun 9, 2011 3:16 am

I think series calls for JJ too.

Miller is a rebounder that's why. But I don't trust his shooting because he has so many damn injuries.

Jones is injured too but supposedly he's ready.

Who knows he might get his chance next game.

I trust Chalmers to hit 3's that are wide open and not Miller. I personally thought he got the ball too much, ESPECIALLY in the 4th quarter. He shouldn't be handling the ball either.

They messed up.
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Re: PG: Epic Choke Part II 

Post#371 » by HIF » Thu Jun 9, 2011 6:54 am

JJ had one good game in the playoffs and then disappeared. He literally stands on the court and does nothing. JJ was the same during the season.

If he's fit you can bring him in on offense at the end for a desperation 3 pointer - or Eddie house - but he doesn't have the motor to play with this team. His 3 points on offense would be offset by the extra 24 the mavs score when they are on offense.

Next people will be saying that Damps or Z or even Mags should be playing.
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