Lather me with blather -- DRAFT thread 4

[WizarDynasty]

get out of the guys personal life. His personal life should have nothing to do with the idea that he usually outperforms the his counterpart each game. If each our starters outperformed their counterpart, we would have won alot more games.
Judge a player based on how many times the won the matchup against the other starter out of 82 games, you then will gain more credibility.
We suck because we don't have reliable performance from our bigs coming off the bench. You aren't going to win in the nba when you don't have a big off the bench that both score and play defense against another legitimate big. We had rookies and Yi, and Armstrong.
You need a quality nba big---booker is a center with a small forwards body---and seraphin who makes one assist every 68 minutes.
No team in the league will win a game with the bigs we had coming off our bench. Number on priority is getting a high iq big--someone 6'9 not 6'6. vucevic at the bare minimum...i advocate tyler but wizards fans seem to hate a player if they show they are independent thinker--and love to judge based on off court action rather than what they do on the court--Pollin era.
At the bare minimum we come away with Vucevic at 18 and Singleton at 6. We at least have a consistent bench big with size, is not a total offensive liability--booker and seraphin and can play defense, with a decent basketball iq.

[Ruzious]

Actually, I think Javale has been the opposite of a deterent for players to drive the lane against the Wiz. They know he's going to sell out completely for the block - opening up easy offensive rebounding opportunities if they miss - and he's easily faked out. As long as he doesn't block the shot, it's an almost automatic 2 points.

The Wiz defense stinks right now, and he's a major part of the problem.

This is a fixable problem - if he understands the problem and adjusts - realizing the important thing isn't to block the shot - it's to stop the opponent from scoring and get the ball back for your team. But it's still a problem - because he has such a low BBIQ.

[Cramer]

Blatche smokes Rodman in terms of talent.

Thanks for sending a mouthful of soda rocketing out of my nose.

I'm trying to phrase this tactfully....do you know anything at all about basketball?

[tontoz]

I did notice McGee staying down more on pump fakes over the last few weeks of the season. He even mentioned in interviews that he needs to stop biting on so many fakes.

But you never know with him. He could revert right back to his normal ways next season and it certainly wouldn't surprise me.

[Ruzious]

I did notice McGee staying down more on pump fakes over the last few weeks of the season. He even mentioned in interviews that he needs to stop biting on so many fakes.

But you never know with him. He could revert right back to his normal ways next season and it certainly wouldn't surprise me.

Agreed on both parts. He made progress, but I'm not sure he's the type to retain information.

[doc.end]

Wow, this board will eat crows a lot if somehow Veselý slips to 6 and ends up a Wizzard. I am used to bias against Euros but uneducated ignorance here is just of absurd level. And considering he would actually fit in really well ... I expect someone is going to tell me I should bring arguments but I guess those would be pointless unless ABV bandwagon does their homework and research with an open mind (which obviously is nto going to happen. Saying Veselý would be out of the league in 3 years is just unbelievable (barring injuries).

[theboomking]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/luke_winn/06/08/nba.draft.williams.jenkins/index.html?eref=twitter_feed

this is Derrick Willliams is by far and away the best player in the draft and worth the move to trade to get him

• The Wildcats loved to force opposing big men to guard Williams one-on-one outside the paint, and 12.3 percent of his offensive possessions were in isolation situations. Of players who had 50 isolation possessions on the season, Williams ranked third in the nation in efficiency, at 1.1299 points per possession. The only players ahead of him were Butler's Shelvin Mack, a 6-foot-3 combo guard, and Ohio State's David Lighty, a 6-5 wing. Williams is a 6-8 hybrid forward who could not be contained off the dribble. His ISOs resulted in free throws an amazing 29.9 percent of the time, which is by far the highest rate of any player who appeared in the top 50 in ISO efficiency.

• Williams was a better spot-up shooter than any other major-conference forward, at 1.3731 PPP. He stretched defenses, and opened up his ISO game because his shot needed to be respected from anywhere on the floor.

• He thrived as the roll man in pick-and-roll situations, too. They accounted for 11 percent of his offense, and he was more efficient than any other major-conference forward, at 1.3768 PPP.

• Williams is just as comfortable in the low post, ranking fourth among major-conference forwards in post efficiency, at 1.0645 PPP. The only players ahead of him last season were Kansas' Marcus Morris (whom Williams destroyed in a head-to-head matchup), Vanderbilt's Festus Ezeli and Cal's Harper Kamp. In post situations, Williams managed to draw fouls 37.1 percent of the time. In comparison, Ohio State's Jared Sullinger, the other first-team All-America forward, drew fouls on 21.0 percent of his post possessions.

To recap: Williams was the nation's most efficient forward in ISOs, spot-ups and pick-and-rolls, and was fourth-most efficient in the post. He really can do everything -- and the fact that he didn't truly break out as a star until this past season as a sophomore suggests he may be far from hitting his ceiling. I wouldn't want to be the GM who passed on him.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/w ... z1OmLGHjbg

Wow. I didn't appreciate how good Williams was in ISO situations or on the P&R.

If the only thing that stops us from trading JaVale McGee for Derrick Williams is Jan Vesely and Tobias Harris being included in the deal, then I'm not sure why we wouldn't pull the trigger.

It sounds like a lot to give up when you put it in terms of the actual picks we'd be giving up, but table scraps when you actually look at the caliber of players we'd be getting with said picks.

Agreed. The caliber of prospect we'd be looking at is more important the the number of the slot.

Al Horford weighed 3 pounds less than DWill at the combine. Horford's standing reach is 1" less than DWill. Horford jumped 1" higher and did 1 more rep on the bench. DWill beat Horford in the sprint (3.23 vs 3.37).

DWill definitely has the size to play the 4 on both ends. no question. He also has the athleticism and skills to spend time at the 3.

Ideally i would like to see him play the stretch 4 role with another shooter at the 3. That will really space out the floor with Nick at the 2 and allow Wall/Crawford to get into the lane with much more space to operate.

I agree. I see Williams as a PF that can sometimes play SF, not the inverse.

BTW, did anyone else actually hear the #2 for McGee, #6, and #18? I haven't seen a link. Just that one person heard it on the radio.

[Ruzious]

Wow, this board will eat crows a lot if somehow Veselý slips to 6 and ends up a Wizzard. I am used to bias against Euros but uneducated ignorance here is just of absurd level. And considering he would actually fit in really well ... I expect someone is going to tell me I should bring arguments but I guess those would be pointless unless ABV bandwagon does their homework and research with an open mind (which obviously is nto going to happen. Saying Veselý would be out of the league in 3 years is just unbelievable (barring injuries).

It might be a good thing to spell the team's name correctly when you call their fans ignorant - much less have your facts straight. Explain how there's a Euro bias when most of the same people panning Vesely are very high on Kanter and Jonas.

And yes, if you have actual reasons for your opinion, state them. Otherwise, you're wasting everyone's time.

[RT31]

Actually, I think Javale has been the opposite of a deterent for players to drive the lane against the Wiz. They know he's going to sell out completely for the block - opening up easy offensive rebounding opportunities if they miss - and he's easily faked out. As long as he doesn't block the shot, it's an almost automatic 2 points.

The Wiz defense stinks right now, and he's a major part of the problem.

This is a fixable problem - if he understands the problem and adjusts - realizing the important thing isn't to block the shot - it's to stop the opponent from scoring and get the ball back for your team. But it's still a problem - because he has such a low BBIQ.

That, and he's still a stats guys. He doesn't get a stat for cutting off the lane and forcing a bad shot or a kick out. So he'd rather open the lane for a chance at a block. Maybe he'll change, maybe he won't. He's a decent player with potential. I'm not a hater. But, as with Blatche, I doubt he's a starter on a good team until he figures this out. The question is whether Pierre will ever figure it out. The sports illustrated post/article breaking down DWilliams makes me not care if he ever does.

[RT31]

If the only thing that stops us from trading JaVale McGee for Derrick Williams is Jan Vesely and Tobias Harris being included in the deal, then I'm not sure why we wouldn't pull the trigger.

It sounds like a lot to give up when you put it in terms of the actual picks we'd be giving up, but table scraps when you actually look at the caliber of players we'd be getting with said picks.

Agreed. The caliber of prospect we'd be looking at is more important the the number of the slot.

The cheap bastard side of me is having a hard time parting with 3 picks + a decent player. But when you put it into context of who the actual players will probably be (Vesley, Harris, Faried, etc), I kinda say go get Williams.

Plus, are we really looking to add 3 more rookies to the 4 we got last year (5 plus crawford)?

[BruceO]

One eagle is greater than three doves. I'm all for trading the 6th pick, the 18th and mcgee for the second if our draft department sees fit. If they do that the player we will be moving up for will probably be worth it. in the recent years we have picked well for our position so i actually trust the combination of ernie, flip and ted. If we stay put we will have players available at the six like jan vesely, Buyombo, Alec burks, leonard and marcus morris so it will be hard to go wrong.

if we move up you know it could be for Enes or Dwill. It's not a bad move because whoever we pick will atleast be a baller and have basketball smarts. The 18th pick is not really anything because we have the space to buy another pick. MCgee although athletic and producing numbers is out of position many times and i remember one poster saying how they'd be so frustrated with him onthe bench for being out of position. So what you move him? We haven't won much with him as starting center and we can replace him in free agency with players like oden or marc gasol if we cough up the dough. Also we can replace him with someone like Enes starting. IF Enes is a beast and going to be our starter we essentially just traded the backup big that javale is going to be and 18th pick and a 6th pick who is most likely not going to be as good as the projected top two picks. Quality over quantity. In the playoffs you will be relying on three quality bigs and three quality guards. Whoever we draft at the 2 spot if we move up will be quality.

Enes has been openning eyes in workouts and i suspect utah is heavily considering him. The only way we can get him is going ahead of them. Also if you look at the trades for carmelo and deron you see players giving up multiple picks plus asset for these gys. Why not do it early while these players are cheap because they will be worth alot more later on.


whatever happens happens. Get a good player at the 6 or get a possible great player at the 2. Either way its fine and not our responbsibility

[sfam]

Wow, this board will eat crows a lot if somehow Veselý slips to 6 and ends up a Wizzard. I am used to bias against Euros but uneducated ignorance here is just of absurd level. And considering he would actually fit in really well ... I expect someone is going to tell me I should bring arguments but I guess those would be pointless unless ABV bandwagon does their homework and research with an open mind (which obviously is nto going to happen. Saying Veselý would be out of the league in 3 years is just unbelievable (barring injuries).

I have an open mind and would love to feel better about drafting Vesely. Please bring it.

[miller31time]

Plus, are we really looking to add 3 more rookies to the 4 we got last year (5 plus crawford)?

Another good point. Hell, at this stage, me should be doing the opposite - signing cheap, experienced vets to actually mentor the young talent we have on this roster.

[sfam]

Edit: Btw, of than Dennis Rodman , I'm having a hard time coming up with a key player on a championship team who was also a teenage drama queen. Blatche is not up to Rodman's talent level.

Blatche smokes Rodman in terms of talent.

I think you would have been better off saying that "Blatche hasn't demonstrated Rodman's work ethic so far".

The only way you could ever believe that goofy statement is if you‘re under 20 and are addicted to offense-heavy fantasy Bball leagues. Even thenI'm not sure you believe that.

[pancakes3]

reason #546 wizboard>genboard. not a single mention of "sigworthy" yet

[WizarDynasty]

i just need stop looking at this board. Anyone would agree that if javale were coming out this year he would easily be the number one pick.
Blatche is a better overall powerforward than Williams. Blatche is ten times better defensively than either Kanter or Williams at guarding p/f's.
Finally, Javale dramatic strength improvements and low post scoring moves during the third part of the season and him and John wall are the main reason we didn't have a better draft position. McGee was our only low post threat in the third part of the season and shot a very good percentage.
Derrick Williams even at this moment in time is not even close to an overall better player than McGee. The guy is a non factor defensively. Goes back to my theory years ago why the wizards don't know how to build teams. You guys love offense and immediately forget the lesson of the big three of caron, arenas, and butler.... shot jacking offensively talented players with below average defensive skills.
Wade, Bosh, and Lebron are all above average defensive players and above average offensive players at their positions which is why they are dominant. McGee is a two way player with no major injury history and he is young. He is probably the most gifted player of his age group. He can dominate offensively and defensively which is why he is our most valuable asset. We took a huge gamble on him and won the gamble.
McGee has more offensive upside than D.Howard. I am only making this case for the un informed so it will be the last you hear it. . You need 6th man type high iq defensive bigs that can match up with starters coming off the bench if you expect to get anywhere in this league. the wizards don't have it but can develop them with this draft for our future. Ernie has done a wonderful job of getting mcgee and blatche as these two player would have been impossible to grab from free agency because they would never have it the market.
We just need Ernie to work his same magic by getting us high iq defensive bigs with size that aren't a complete liability on offense to serve as 6th man come off the bench.
Yi, Armstrong, Hamady, Seraphin, and Booker have all been failures as 6th man types so hopefully Ernie's learning curve has improved.

[Zonkerbl]

Williams for McGee... hm.

All star talented seven footer with five cent head...

6'9" tweener who has proven he knows how to play the game...

My knee-jerk reaction was "Hell yes! Trade a #18 pick straight up for #2? Where do I sign????"

And then I was like, "But this is a weak draft. And McGee has legit all-world talent."

And then I was like, "But so did Kwame Brown. You can't teach stupid."

But then I'm like, "But McGee's not stupid, just stubborn as hell."

argh, I'm glad I'm not the one who has to make that decision. That's a toughie.

[tontoz]

i just need stop looking at this board. Anyone would agree that if javale were coming out this year he would easily be the number one pick.
Blatche is a better overall powerforward than Williams.

Once again you win the award for Best Unintentional Comedy in a post. Congrats

[Zonkerbl]

I think what would put me over the top for keeping McGee is if he puts on ten more pounds of muscle. If he can do that I'm willing to see how much of his struggles result from not having grown into his body yet. 'Cause a lot of times he's out of position on defense because someone thicker has shoved him out of position.

[Zonkerbl]

Wow, this board will eat crows a lot if somehow Veselý slips to 6 and ends up a Wizzard. I am used to bias against Euros but uneducated ignorance here is just of absurd level. And considering he would actually fit in really well ... I expect someone is going to tell me I should bring arguments but I guess those would be pointless unless ABV bandwagon does their homework and research with an open mind (which obviously is nto going to happen. Saying Veselý would be out of the league in 3 years is just unbelievable (barring injuries).

What, what's going on in your sig? Did that guy just blatantly steal a pen?