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Post#1 » by LittleOzzy » Thu Jun 9, 2011 6:54 pm

Q-Sorry Richard,

I like everything about your mailbag but I have a criticism to make. There is never enough accountability of Alex when he does things. He kept it secret about the $5 mil he gave the Angels in the Wells deal, the $500,000 payout to a player you don't want to get. Hopefully you will say something about this joke of a draft that Alex made. He had picks of 21, 35, 46, 53,and 57, and what did he do, he selected the 33, 157, 81, 49 and 102 ranked players. Is this what you call being prepared for the draft? He should have just picked the players who were ranked by MLB at those spots. With these choices, he shouldn't have to pay big bonuses, especially for their 2nd pick who was ranked 157th, 122 spots lower. I know drafting is a crap shoot, but still when your picks are that far off what the experts say there is something wrong. If all teams do as the Jays, then why not eliminate MLB scouting?

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A-Oh, there's plenty to criticize about GM Alex Anthopoulos and much of it has been done in this space, but the negative gets lost in the larger body of other things that he's done well.

When Anthopoulos took over as the club's GM he had been a keen observer of what got his predecessor and immediate boss J.P. Ricciardi into trouble. Thus, he has tried to be the anti-J.P. in the eyes of ownership and his mentor Paul Beeston.

It's why we get the ultra-secretive GM who shares info even within his organization only on a need-to-know basis. He's a GM who in winter meetings trade discussions prefers one-on-one talks with the other GM or at most four people in the room so he can narrow down the sources of leaks, a GM who sweeps the room for listening devices and looks under table lamps for bugs before he begins to speak about any personnel decision -- okay maybe that's a slight exaggeration, but you get the point.

Under AA, every trade rumour involving the Jays finds legs with no input from the Jays. On the other hand, under Ricciardi, every trade rumour began in the GM's office or else was expanded upon and corrected from there.

In November, we criticized AA for not revealing the length and value of his new manager John Farrell's contract. He explained it just complicated things, but he was wrong. He was critiqued for the unannounced extra money as you point out, that was headed to the Angels in the Vernon Wells deal. He's criticized for not allowing any of his lieutenants to have a voice when it comes to Jays' policy, for not admitting that service time, free agency and Super-Twos have anything to do with some seemingly shady player options to the minors, involving players clearly ready for prime-time.

But he must be doing something right. He has re-established respect for the Jays around baseball. Agents like dealing with his people. Players love the way they are treated as men and respected as equals -- except for some that have failed here were shipped out and must blame someone.

After Wells was traded, Vernon admitted in Anaheim that he sent Anthopoulos an expensive Cartier watch with a gushy note. That was after he had been dealt, but was in appreciation for the way he had been dealt.

Yes, we don't always agree with the way Anthopoulos handles his information. Sometimes you feel that in his passion to be the anti-Ricciardi plus the pro-Anthopoulos that in a previous life he may have been a Zamboni driver at Flyers home games – doing his job at both ends of the Spectrum. But as he matures into his Jays job, we expect him to loosen up and to be less secretive on issues that are standard information in the rest of baseball.

The bottom line is that Anthopoulos in his two years has not been perfect, but has been the best thing that happened to the floundering Jays in terms of getting them seriously back into the AL East fray. No whine, no fear, no excuses.

As for this just-completed draft, I have a question for you. What exactly is it about MLB and MLB.com that makes you believe that their rankings are better than individual club rankings, including the Jays. These are MLB people that as evaluators wish they could work for clubs. They are compiling their rankings based on information they receive from club scouts and from what little video is out there for them to see.

According to Jays' scouting director Andrew Tinnish, a total of eight different Jays' evaluators saw at least one of first round pick Tyler Beede's starts. Not enough? They have area scouts and regional supervisors and cross-checkers who have sat down in kitchens with the families of the top players. They know personalities and signability. They know their needs. Every high school player has a letter-of-intent for school. But many times money and organizational trust can carry the day.

Face it, if a team wanted to fire all its scouts and just go with MLB.com or other Internet sites as the basis for its draft, hey, more power to you. It's been done before. In the late '70s when Baseball America began doing its extensive pre-draft work as the basis of Canadian Baseball Hall-of-Famer Allan Simpson's powerful new publication, renegade, eccentric A's owner Charlie Finley decided “who needs scouts.” Charlie O. lived in Chicago and the fact is for a while his chief executive on site in Oakland was a 13-year-old batboy, a clubhouse kid who went on to become hip-hop artist MC Hammer. No kidding. Doo, doo-doo-doo, U Can't Touch This. Maybe the Jays could hire Bieber.


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Post#2 » by LLJ » Thu Jun 9, 2011 7:14 pm

LMAO at the last paragraph. Is that true?
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Post#4 » by snomeister » Thu Jun 9, 2011 7:38 pm

CZAR85 wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MC_Hammer

WTF? One of the most random things ever.
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Post#5 » by Schad » Thu Jun 9, 2011 7:39 pm

This is one of the dumber questions I've ever seen. However, it prompted me to something almost as dumb: what would our top picks look like if we had taken the highest-ranked prospect (by BA's accounting) each time, without paying the least bit of attention to price tag, or even injury status?

Turns out, it would look like this:

21. Taylor Guerreri, RHP.
35. Josh Bell, OF.
46. Daniel Norris, LHP. (someone we did draft, rounds later).
53. John Stilson, RHP. (someone we also drafted, rounds later).
57. Austin Hedges, C. (we do need some catchers...).
74. Andrew Susac, C. (yay, another **** catcher).
108. Matt Purke, LHP.


Total cost of signing these players? Heh, probably $15m, and we'd still have another ~50 picks remaining.

Is that draft class better? Maybe kinda, but only if you really believe in Josh Bell or love Guerreri vs. Beede. Otherwise, we're drafting Norris 28 picks earlier, Stilson 55 picks earlier, and slapping a big bow on the whole affair by taking two catchers to add to the four top-notch catcher prospects we already have, plus an injured and possible unsignable Matt Purke.
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Post#6 » by Schad » Thu Jun 9, 2011 7:40 pm

snomeister wrote:
CZAR85 wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MC_Hammer

WTF? One of the most random things ever.


Charlie O was basically the greatest thing ever. Unless you were an A's fan.
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Post#7 » by j127 » Thu Jun 9, 2011 7:51 pm

Schadenfreude wrote:Charlie O was basically the greatest thing ever. Unless you were an A's fan.


My last name is O (well...Oh). Does that make me close to the greatest thing ever too?
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Post#8 » by Schad » Thu Jun 9, 2011 7:55 pm

terryoh wrote:
Schadenfreude wrote:Charlie O was basically the greatest thing ever. Unless you were an A's fan.


My last name is O (well...Oh). Does that make me close to the greatest thing ever too?


Pretty close. The fact that your name is one syllable away from that of the province you live in gives bonus points, but it's no Day Glo baseball.
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Post#9 » by TheBunk » Thu Jun 9, 2011 7:57 pm

And the reality of that projected draft that Schad posted is that not only would it cost a potentially exorbitant sum but Austin Hedges and Josh Bell are considered the most unsignable players in the draft.

That criticism of Alex Anthopoulos is asinine
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Post#10 » by TheBunk » Thu Jun 9, 2011 7:59 pm

And Matt Purke has a TON of leverage because of his performance in the past and his only being a junior for the 2012 draft. So the price tag is probably around 3.5-4M for a player that is a HUGE risk.
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Post#11 » by There There » Thu Jun 9, 2011 8:31 pm

Schadenfreude wrote:This is one of the dumber questions I've ever seen.


Heh, so much so that i'm already feeling a little let down by the response Stoeten will eventually give it in his mock Griffin mail bag... Don't get me wrong, Stoeten is usually spot on, but how could any response reach the levels of awesomeness that would be needed to match the entertainment value provided by how ridiculously stupid this rant actually is.
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Post#12 » by sonn » Thu Jun 9, 2011 8:43 pm

There There wrote:Heh, so much so that i'm already feeling a little let down by the response Stoeten will eventually give it in his mock Griffin mail bag... Don't get me wrong, Stoeten is usually spot on, but how could any response reach the levels of awesomeness that would be needed to match the entertainment value provided by how ridiculously stupid this rant actually is.

Stoeten might have an aneurysm after reading that question.
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Post#13 » by -MetA4- » Thu Jun 9, 2011 8:46 pm

TheBunk wrote:So the price tag is probably around 3.5-4M for a player that is a HUGE risk.


More than that. Purke passed on like $5-6 million out of HS and his price tag supposedly hasn't dropped.
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Post#14 » by Schad » Thu Jun 9, 2011 8:52 pm

Yeah, after ball-parking the individual players, it'd probably take something closer to $20m to sign all of them, and if you continue going strict BPA from there out, well over $30m to nail down the whole class.
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Post#15 » by keuken_4 » Fri Jun 10, 2011 4:46 pm

The guy who asked this question is obviously a complete idiot. Part of the reasoning MLB.com had Beede and others ranked lower is because they took into account the fact they had made commitment to colleges. The draft is usually a complete crapshoot anyways, more power to AA to take guys off the board who they liked. While I do agree most of us are suck ups to AA in regards to every move he makes there aren't very many moves hes made that i have not liked, in fact most moves hes done look like absolute home runs. Ive said it all along, this team is making the playoffs next year. I can see us making a big free agent splash and with our younger players coming up (Lawrie, JPA) and their development furthering it appears our time is near.
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Post#16 » by LBJSeizedMyID » Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:44 pm

Not so much a complete idiot, just uneducated. MLB's drafts are much different than any other professional sports.
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Post#17 » by Leolovinliberal » Sat Jun 11, 2011 6:55 pm

I wouldn't criticize AA for the draft, or being secretive about VW. But....if we're being objective here, he does deserve criticism for clinging to washed up has beens and never was's, on a supposed "rebuilding team." If we're really rebuilding bring up the minor leaguers that are better than the current players on this team. He appears to have this delusion that if he continues to play these scrubs, then he will get something of worth come trade deadline time.

He also deserves to be criticized for the trifecta of crap known as our late inning bullpen, i.e Rauch, fat Frank and Don't ask Dotel.
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Post#18 » by Leolovinliberal » Sun Jun 12, 2011 7:35 pm

Bump for fair and objective criticism. Go:

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