Bobcats Picks Discussion (#9, #19, #39)

[Bassman]

the bobcats selected leonard in the hoops report twitter mock draft. i can live with that.

http://thehoopsreport.com/article.aspx?id=743

And Brooks at #19. Leonard and Brooks in the 1st round, I can live with that. But that still leaves us with only Kwame (if resigned) and Diop at Center, so that is bothersome.

Yeah, that would get me Brooks and Leonard certainly makes sense at 9, but Vucevic goes right after Brooks at 20. Sigh... I'd like him too. Maybe we can deal for 20 with a player and #39 (if that scenario played out...)?

[dmutombo321]

the bobcats selected leonard in the hoops report twitter mock draft. i can live with that.

http://thehoopsreport.com/article.aspx?id=743

And Brooks at #19. Leonard and Brooks in the 1st round, I can live with that. But that still leaves us with only Kwame (if resigned) and Diop at Center, so that is bothersome.

Yeah, that would get me Brooks and Leonard certainly makes sense at 9, but Vucevic goes right after Brooks at 20. Sigh... I'd like him too. Maybe we can deal for 20 with a player and #39 (if that scenario played out...)?

Here's my line of thinking Bass: Unless something crazy happens and Kanter free falls, there's going to be a glut of third tier guys who I'm personally indifferent about on the board at 9 (Marcus Morris, Singleton, Klay Thompson, Jordan Hamilton, Tristan Thompson, Biyombo, etc)

Houston has been rumored to be wanting to trade up in the lottery. They hold the 14th and 23rd. A few weeks back, I'd suggested offering Jackson and our 19 for Twill and Thabeet so Houston could then package the 19 with their 14 in an effort to move into the 7-10 range. We'd unload jack's contract and Twill/Thabeet would be better than anyone we'd get at 19.

Something like that would still be my preference.

But another option could be offering our #9 and #39 to Houston for their #14 and #23.

This would give us #14, #19 and #23

One of Marcus Morris, Singleton, Klay Thompson, Jordan Hamilton, Tristan Thompson, Biyombo etc who we would have considered at #9 is likely to still be available at the #14. Or, if Marshon Brooks continues to blow people's sox off in workouts (notice a number of mocks now have the Knicks grabbing him as high as #17), we could always take him there provided he reschedules a workout for us and impresses.

We could then take Vucevik at #19 and mop up the BPA at #23 (someone like Dontas or Hamilton could fall and still be on the board).

If so inclined, Charlotte could then, as some have suggested, try to acquire Beasley using Jack. I've never been a big fan of his as he's a defensive liability, a tweener and seems kind of dumb. However, he's a nearly unstoppable 20ppg offensive force, only 22yo and did make great strides in Minny last year. If he continues to develop and we have a good season, we can tender his QA and retain him for the following year. If he misbehaves or flops, we can always just let him walk at the end of the year and still save $10 million from having unloaded jacks deal. We can then target a Barnes or some other SF prospect depending on our lotto position.

DJ / Livingston / Temple
Hendo / Brooks / Carroll
Beasley / Hamilton / Cunningham
Tyrus / Diaw / White
Kwame / Vucevic / Diop

[bobcats3wallace]

Kawhi Leonard and Brooks......that would be great thats about as good as we can hope for.

Agreed! That would be an absolutely GREAT draft. Great value at both picks. I've really become more and more fond of Leonard and if he were to fall to 9 it would be an easy choice. Same can be said for Brooks at 19. Then you could probably trade cash for a later first rounder and still have a crack at the C from USC or find JaJuan Johnson from Purdue fall into your laps at 39.

Leonard and Brooks gets a HUGE thumbs up!

[ohara]

dmutombo, I would do that deal with Houston. Gladly trade #9 and #39 for #14 and #23. I think you are dead on that one of the handlful of players whom we are considering at #9 would still be there at #14. And then to take #19 and the additional pick of #23, I think we would get 3 very nice players to go with the young core we have.

Guess the question for me is would Houston be happy with that deal?

[Bassman]

dmutombo, I would do that deal with Houston. Gladly trade #9 and #39 for #14 and #23. I think you are dead on that one of the handlful of players whom we are considering at #9 would still be there at #14. And then to take #19 and the additional pick of #23, I think we would get 3 very nice players to go with the young core we have.

Guess the question for me is would Houston be happy with that deal?

Dmu, I concur, as long as our targets are Brooks and Vucevic at 14 & 19. The 23rd pick could become a dilema, as Hamilton would be the best choice there but it's a close call. Still, we'd get a decent role player there. I like it

[bobcats3wallace]

dmutombo, I would do that deal with Houston. Gladly trade #9 and #39 for #14 and #23. I think you are dead on that one of the handlful of players whom we are considering at #9 would still be there at #14. And then to take #19 and the additional pick of #23, I think we would get 3 very nice players to go with the young core we have.

Guess the question for me is would Houston be happy with that deal?

Dmu, I concur, as long as our targets are Brooks and Vucevic at 14 & 19. The 23rd pick could become a dilema, as Hamilton would be the best choice there but it's a close call. Still, we'd get a decent role player there. I like it

I would want to wait and see what is there at 9 (to see if anyone slips) but if it plays out like many think, then I would be more than content with that type trade. I think I would take care of things in a bit of a different order though. I would probably go Brooks at 14, Jordan Hamilton at 19, Vucevic at 23. I think that is the order those guys will go whether we were to draft all three or not so that is the order I would draft. If we could somehow manage to do that I think it would hold more value than trading up for anything in this draft outside Derrick Williams. I don't want to get too gun hoe on this becuase obviously it is a VERY long shot, but man wouldn't it be nice to walk away with those 3 guys?

[Badd_Intentions]

Why I wouldn't draft a SG at #9: LIst of SG free agents: Nick Young, Mickael Pietrus, Jason Richardson, Roger Mason, Marco Belinelli, JR Smith, Jamal Crawford.

But the #9 pick gets around $2.5 mil a year - I doubt you will get Young, JRich, Smith or Crawford for $2.5 mil a year. Heck, you might not even get Pietrus or Marco for $2.5 mil a year!

There are NO 2 guards in this draft that will seriously contend with Hendo for the starting spot. I'm not convinced the Bobcats are in strict rebuilding mode, MJ wants his cake and to eat it too. I'm assuming that Kwame will show some loyalty and not get greedy on his contract. Splash cash at FA SG (all of those guys would be practically guaranteed starter's minutes here, not so much for their current teams or big markets), draft BPA @ #9, draft C's at #19 or #39.

Hell, trading Gerald Wallace was MJ basically waving the white flag. We are in full blown rebuilding. MJ doesn't expect this team to make a move for another couple of seasons at minimum.

[Eoghan]

^Nah, that was MJ getting rid of an overrated role-player probably.

I think it's all smoke. They'll probably draft somebody very NBA ready at #9, overreach for a C at #19, and a slept on shooter at #39.

[ohara]

^Nah, that was MJ getting rid of an overrated role-player probably.

I think it's all smoke. They'll probably draft somebody very NBA ready at #9, overreach for a C at #19, and a slept on shooter at #39.

"Stay thirsty my friend."

[doc.end]

http://www.nbadraft.net/2011mock_draft - I feel like nbadraft.net was hacked. It's the most rational explanation for their latest mock. I would take those 3 players we are getting according to that mock and run away though.

[BigSlam]

http://www.nbadraft.net/2011mock_draft - I feel like nbadraft.net was hacked. It's the most rational explanation for their latest mock. I would take those 3 players we are getting according to that mock and run away though.

I love that they think a little outside of the box. I get so sick and tired of seeing people just regurgitate Chad Ford mocks with subtle differences.

[doc.end]

Too bad Biyombo won't be available at 19th in the real one. As I am concerned he shouldn't get pass 9th .-) Klay Thompson at 20th would drop some jaws too.

[ohara]

aLeonard at 9 and Biyombo at 19 would be fantastic. I think I'd go with Goudelock at 39 tho.

[doc.end]

aLeonard at 9 and Biyombo at 19 would be fantastic. I think I'd go with Goudelock at 39 tho.

I agree, btu with those two in forst round I wouldn't be picky, I would even take a player who will never get in the league if it would gurantee me the previous two

[penquin11]

The only problem I have with Veuvic is his athletism, his max vertical jump is that of 25 inches, to put that in perspective it is 10 inches less than Brook Lopez had, or 13 inches less than Jujaun Johnsons.... Its actually VERY low... His Bench press is an unimpressive 8, 11 lower than Derrick Williams, 9 lower than the 6'4 Malcom Lee, and only 3 more than Selby's (although Selby has an INCREDIBLE 42 inch Max Vert...)

If Im looking for a Center in this year's draft it's Bismack Biyombo.... hands down...
Here's my Draft and why:

#9: Bismack Biyombo: Huge upside, already a dominating defender who is explosive and EXTREMELY quick (watch some of his Nike Summit Highlights, he is just very very agile for a guy his size) and has huge hops (see him trying to dunk on Anthony Davis during the Summit, really got some air) also he plays super aggressively and is quiet vocal from what Ive seen and read about him. At the end of the Nike World Summit game when asked about his Triple double and great game he seemed to rather not care, as He wanted to win the game more than have an incredible individual effort.... Meaning that even at his young age he has his priorities straight (team>individual). I love this kid and he is a passionate player with the desire to improve and leave his mark on basketball.....

#19: Jordan Hamilton: This was an easy call, at 6'8 Jordan Hamilton is primed to play the 2 or the 3, He can hit 3's regularly and could have an immediate impact for the LOLcats..... easy call...


#39: Trey Thompkins: He has a good jumpshot and can hit 3's on the occasion... Reminds me of Al Hofford.... we can do much worse then grab him....

- Guys we should Grab if not picked:
Greg Smith (C/PF): at 6'9 you really dont expect him to have the agility that he does, his agility measurement is better than deron williams...... However it explains why he can be so good in the post. (I still say that he is not as explosive or agile as Biyombo though, just from watching)...

[fatlever]

nbadraft removed jonas from their mock. did i miss something?

[dmutombo321]

^ Renewed buyout concerns once again creating uncertainty

[Jaruff]

^ Renewed buyout concerns once again creating uncertainty

Yea. In a perfect world, he falls to 19 because of the buyout issue.

[bobcats3wallace]

I have a terrible feeling the Bobcats will take Marcus Morris at 9...just watch....

[freakon0mics]

It'll be a big mistake of we pick Marcus Morris. He's showing teams that he is capable of coming in the league and contributing but, potential wise, he is what he is now.