At this point no co-leader crap, Wade needs to take over

Aiolos · Post #1 » by **Aiolos** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:55 pm

Lebron James is a great player no doubt.

WIthout him we are not even in the Finals period, BUT for whatever reason the Lebron James of the Boston and Chicago IS GONE.

HES NOT HERE, Oh well it definitely sucks BUT Wade so far has dominated the series so we need to just go with him.

I believe this is our best chance to win since right now Wade is our best player, it makes sense to me to run with that.

At this point its just to risky to give Lebron a shot at closing the games.

This reminds of the season when we lost 5 in a row and in the Lakers game we started giving the ball to Dwyane in the fourth. When Lebron went into Beast Mode in the Boston and Chicago series we went away from that and thats understandable. Lebron in the Boston and Chicago series was closing great so why go away from that around that time right?

The problem is now all sudden in the FInals Lebron is doing poorly and Wade is dominating so we must switch it up again like we did after that 5 losing streak.

MaliBrah · Post #2 » by **MaliBrah** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:06 pm

no man , if lebron doesnt get it going were in deep ****... he's the most important player on this team if he's playing well because he affects nearly every aspect when he's at his best. If lebron continues to act as if he's a role player then were finished... lebron needs to be the one that has a monster game in order for us to win. he's the most important player on this squad and he has to get going

Aiolos · Post #3 » by **Aiolos** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 12:42 am

nmabdi28 wrote:no man , if lebron doesnt get it going were in deep ****... he's the most important player on this team if he's playing well because he affects nearly every aspect when he's at his best. If lebron continues to act as if he's a role player then were finished... lebron needs to be the one that has a monster game in order for us to win. he's the most important player on this squad and he has to get going

Lebron basically was being a role player at times and we still almost won Game 4 and Game 5.

Wade CAN DO THIS

Post #4 » by **kyphi** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 1:00 am

if bron can't or won't, then Wade can.

truthiness · Post #5 » by **truthiness** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 1:03 am

You are looking at this with the simple eyes of a 12 year old.

It's not that simple. Lebron tried. He didn't have his jumper, for some reason, so he tried to drive. He got hacked a bunch of times by Dirk and got no calls, and when he drove hard and should have gotten an and1, was called for an offensive foul (BS call). That's when the Mavs weren't swarming him.

What was he going to do ? Try and drive every single time and be called for a charge every single time ? The refs were crap and the Mavs were flopping like fish out of the water. He wasn't going to get any calls that game.

The Mavs D is geared towards stopping Lebron and making everyone else beat them. So far everyone else failed.

I will repeat it over and over and over: this is NOT on the players. They try. Lebron didn't shoot that bad. He just didn't force the issue. That's not his game. Wade is more of the type that forces the issue.

This team has plenty of talent and the players don't choke and don't shrink. Whoever says that is looking for scapegoats. The FailMaster here is Spoelstra.

Vertical Limit · Post #6 » by **Vertical Limit** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 1:09 am

These players need to make a statement this next game, if they get hacked and no call, make an effort to get a technical and show your frustration.

Vertical Limit · Post #7 » by **Vertical Limit** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 1:18 am

Aiolos wrote:
nmabdi28 wrote:no man , if lebron doesnt get it going were in deep ****... he's the most important player on this team if he's playing well because he affects nearly every aspect when he's at his best. If lebron continues to act as if he's a role player then were finished... lebron needs to be the one that has a monster game in order for us to win. he's the most important player on this squad and he has to get going

Lebron basically was being a role player at times and we still almost won Game 4 and Game 5.

Wade CAN DO THIS

Yup, I know where you're going with this and I'm with you on it. I believe in Wade. I think he has a 40-50 point game in him. He CAN do this guys, we've seen him do it before on the same spotlight.

Lebron is nothing but a roleplayer this series, a very good one, but he's not playing like a superstar.

Wade needs to have the ball on his hands 70% of the time on Sunday minimum, create for himself and create for others. He's the only player on this team that can slash to the basket at will.

truthiness · Post #8 » by **truthiness** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 1:20 am

Vertical Limit wrote:These players need to make a statement this next game, if they get hacked and no call, make an effort to get a technical and show your frustration.

Again, this should come from Spoelstra. He should be taking the ball out of Joey Crawford's slimy hands and throwing it into the stands and then putting his finger in Joey's face.

But instead he sits on that bench numb and dumb (as in "mute" as well as in "stupid"), sometimes even flashing a stupid smile. What the F is there to smile about ?

What's the worst that can happen ? He gets thrown out ? Is he afraid the Heat might win without him and he gets exposed ?

That Fing guy has so much ego it's unreal. For all the talk about Lebron's and Wade's egos, he has the biggest ego on that team.

Illmatic_Heat · Post #9 » by **Illmatic_Heat** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 1:28 am

Wade has taken over but it's not enough. We need Bron to wake the eff up. When both bring they're A-game, we're unstoppable.

Post #10 » by **kyphi** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 1:31 am

I can concede that Spo's choices have been questionable. Still, that does not negate the pure talent that bron has. Plus, if he needs motivation, he has one in Riley. It's time for him to put away childish things (you know what I mean, bible readers)

Chessboxer · Post #11 » by **Chessboxer** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 1:51 am

We all remember what happened, the last time Wade faced elimination in Miami.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePZAj9ffagA[/youtube]

If Wade is even close to 100% Sunday I have faith.

Carlos4Heat · Post #12 » by **Carlos4Heat** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 1:51 am

truthiness wrote:You are looking at this with the simple eyes of a 12 year old.It's not that simple.

This!

I can understand that a lot of posters on here are impressionable,starry eyed young people who have great adulation for Wade,because of what he has done for the franchise.But you have got to be kidding me,if you think he can win game 6 by himself.I mean,have some of you all even played ball at a high level before?It's obvious the team will need Wade and Lebron operating at full capacity,for them to succeed.I think game 6 will be the culmination of the "Big 3" combining their talents,and leading this team to a victory in front of a raucous and overjoyed home crowd.I think they will play so efficient and well together on the offensive side of the ball,that we all will be scratching our heads wondering: "where has this chemistry been all season." I just feel like the guys have saved their best for last,and it will serve them well.

Aiolos · Post #13 » by **Aiolos** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 2:00 am

Whats with this whole "WADE CAN WITH IT BY HIMSELF???

NO!!!

Thats not what were saying here, we want Wade to go bananas but have Bosh and Lebron get 18 points at least with some assist and rebounds.

Wade can and is capable of taking it home.

Aiolos · Post #14 » by **Aiolos** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 2:01 am

Chessboxer wrote:We all remember what happened, the last time Wade faced elimination in Miami.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePZAj9ffagA[/youtube]

If Wade is even close to 100% Sunday I have faith.

EXACTLY!!!!

IN WADE WE TRUST!!!

Vertical Limit · Post #15 » by **Vertical Limit** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 2:12 am

Chessboxer wrote:We all remember what happened, the last time Wade faced elimination in Miami.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePZAj9ffagA[/youtube]

If Wade is even close to 100% Sunday I have faith.

Come on Wade, bring us a championship! You can do it!

juror1 · Post #16 » by **juror1** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:51 am

You do know the reason LeBron has been performing so poorly is because Wade has taken over, right? The reason Miami is struggling is because since game 1 Wade has been a different player from what he was all season, and it's throwing everyone else on the team's games off. If Wade wasn't going into take the game over mode and not being selfish they probably would have won the series by now. True story.

Aiolos · Post #17 » by **Aiolos** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 10:30 am

jayks1 wrote:You do know the reason LeBron has been performing so poorly is because Wade has taken over, right? The reason Miami is struggling is because since game 1 Wade has been a different player from what he was all season, and it's throwing everyone else on the team's games off. If Wade wasn't going into take the game over mode and not being selfish they probably would have won the series by now. True story.

Ballamy · Post #18 » by **Ballamy** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 11:11 am

That is just FLAT-OUT RIDICULOUS. Wade was clearly the best player in the Boston series going for over 30ppg on 53% shooting and he closed out games 1,2 and was key in game 4 when he scored 4 of their final 10 points including a 3 with a minute remaining... In game 5, while LEBron scored the final 10 points, it was Wade defensively who was a beast. He was parked by the rim and he altered Boston 4 final shots at the rim because of his fantastic shot blocking ability. And Boston did not score a single bucket in the final 5 minutes of regulation primarily because of Wade's defense.

But here in this Finals series LeBron is almost invisible in the 4th quarters ! LeBron has only 11 points in the 4th Qtrs through 5 games ! His defense has also been piss poor in the 4th quarters allowing Terry and Marion to score at will in the last few games. LeBron was 0/1 with just 1 rebound , 1 assist in the 4th quarter in game 4, and playing lazy uninspired basketball.... and in game 5 LeBron was allowing terry to score on him including driving on lebron easily in the 4th.. And of course LeBron was invisible on offense in the 4th of game 5. And then you have the fact that Bosh has been almost invisible as well in the critical 4th quarters too ! In Game 4, while Bosh had a great first half, Bosh was downright horrible in the 2nd half going for just 1/7 shooting in the 2nd half, a long with getting killed on the boards by Tyson Chandler (who had 16 rebounds in that game and most of them in the 2nd half - while bosh just had 6 for the game and only 2 rebounds in the 2nd half), and you add Bosh's turnovers in the 2nd half with his butterfingers in the 2nd half, to go along with his bad defense in the 2nd halves of games 4 and 5... Well it's no wonder that Wade is getting no help at all in the 4th quartes from LeBron and Bosh as the other 2 have been terrible in critical 4th quarters in this series (for the most part).

You can say whatever you want in the Bulls series about Wade. But in Games 3, 4 and 5 in the 4th quarters Wade came up HUGE, and clutch ! He was fantastic defensively in the 4th quarters with many clutch playmaking plays defensively. He only shot 41% for the series, HOWEVER in the 4th quarters Wade shot 57% in that series. Wade showed up when it counted in those 4th quarters when those tight games were decided!!

His defense was astounding in that Bulls series.. as evidenced here"

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamih ... -2-defense

And of course, Wade's unbelievable rebounding in that series was HUGE against a rebounding team like the Bulls that thrive on their rebounding. In Miami's wins in that series, Wade was a total BEAST on the boards, gaining many critical possessions for the Heat, in a series where rebounding was absolutely PARAMOUNT as it was a possessions series. Here is a great article showing how fantastic Wade was in that series in all other aspects of the game (and especially in 4th quarters when he came up big- and remember that Wade scored 9 of Miami's final 18 points in Game 5 to clinch the victory, Wade came up huge in the 4th quarters in that Chicago series:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showth ... p?t=225007

And of course it was Wade being double and triple teamed in the Boston and Philly series, but he was still the closer for over the first half of the Boston series and Wade was the closer in the Philly series:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamih ... pping-wade

LeBron has NOT been doing those things in the 4th quarters of this series when games are tight and being decided in the 4th quarters (and that's offensively and defensively where LeBron has been terrible). Wade has in the previous 2 series, stepping up his offense and defense in the PIVOTAL 4th quarters,.. Wade had 10 points in the 4th quarter last game in Game 5 against the Mavs again, but where was everybody else??. There in lies the difference between the two players. Wade has been showing up in 4th quarters through the entire postseason, while LeBron has chosen to be invisible in the 4th quarters of the NBA Finals in the series against Dallas (that's offensively and defensively).

And remember that Wade had a higher PER than LeBron after the first two rounds of the playoffs. Wade was better than any player in the league after the first two rounds of the playoffs:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showth ... p?t=222553

Wade did not have the efficiency when it came to his scoring in the Bulls series going for only 19 points per game on 41% shooting, HOWEVER Wade really stepped it up in the 4th quarters in their wins (offensively, defensively AND rebounding, and shot 57% in the 4th quarters in that series -- and of course Wade was just a BEAST his astounding defense and critical rebounding in the 4th quarters of those games, and some very important passes as well (all of that is MISSING from LeBron in the 4th quarters of this NBA Finals series against Dallas)

THOSE ARE THE REASONS why Miami won those series and in this series Miami is behind 3 games to 2. The problem is LeBron's disappearing act in the 4th quarters while Wade has been stepping up in the 4th quarters in these playoffs, and doing it consistently. Wade needs LeBron's help in these critical 4th quarters. LeBron needs to step up his defense, crash the boards for rebounds, take the initiative in the 4th quarters,.. JUST DO SOMETHING and stop playing like a scared D-leaguer in the 4th quarters.. Please LeBron.

canefandynasty · Post #19 » by **canefandynasty** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 12:27 pm

^^^^ Excellent, excellent post.

Father Time · Post #20 » by **Father Time** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 2:51 pm

Honestly I'm not sure how much better Wade can play, especially now considering his injury. He's been unreal this Finals. This is super obvious, but LeBron really needs to step his game up if they want to have a chance. He doesn't have to be superhuman, with Wade playing the way he is, but at least play like a legit superstar. If he can do that you guys will be in a great position to close this out.