Bobcats Picks Discussion (#9, #19, #39)

[bobcats3wallace]

I would have to consider Hendo and #9 for Ellis. We'd hav e to throw in a couple filler contracts to make the numbers work, like Matt and Najera. But I do understand Fatlever's concern. But goodness knows we can sure use his scoring. And I dont see anyone in the draft at #9 who has his potential to score.

If we threw in Najera we would be covered. We have 7 million in cap space so we would need about 2 million to cover the difference.

And I would be fine with a DJ and Ellis back court, however we would have to accept a different style of play. Less defense and more run and gun. Personally I like that better, but we would need to find defense from somewhere. If we were to do that trade perhaps we could draft SIngleton with the 19 to add some defense.

[Fred Williamson]

i dont see any logical trade that could land us ellis. he needs to be paired with a big guard. putting him next to augustin would be a disaster.

Livingston | Ellis | Jackson | Diaw | Brown

Problem solved. Trade DJ to GSW or use him to grab a decent center and/or draft pick(s).

You can't be serious. First of all, Livingston at starting PG is the ultimate fail. Then, Ellis, Jax and Diaw will probably combine for 50 turnovers per night. Under no circumstance I want Ellis on this team, and certainly not combined with Jax in the backcourt.

Keep the DJ/Hendo backcourt. Okay, maybe try to get a better PG if possible, but please stick with Hendo as the starting SG and keep Ellis from this team away as far as possible.

[dmutombo321]

Trading for Ellis, an undersized guard 2 guard with a huge contract balance is a sure-fire way to ensure another 5 year period of 35-44 win mediocrity.

Whats more, as fats touched on, the guy needs to be paired with a big PG and Livingston cant be relied upon to play big minutes with regularity.

[Jaruff]

i dont see any logical trade that could land us ellis. he needs to be paired with a big guard. putting him next to augustin would be a disaster.

Livingston | Ellis | Jackson | Diaw | Brown

Problem solved. Trade DJ to GSW or use him to grab a decent center and/or draft pick(s).

You can't be serious. First of all, Livingston at starting PG is the ultimate fail. Then, Ellis, Jax and Diaw will probably combine for 50 turnovers per night. Under no circumstance I want Ellis on this team, and certainly not combined with Jax in the backcourt.

Keep the DJ/Hendo backcourt. Okay, maybe try to get a better PG if possible, but please stick with Hendo as the starting SG and keep Ellis from this team away as far as possible.

Ah c'mon, that team would bring the lulz every night. Kwame's small hands, Diaw's not giving a damn, and Jackson fighting Ellis for shots. Livingston sits in the corner because he's a bust and no one cares about it.

FWIW, Ellis has a fair contract @ $11m flat that has many years left on it. While I'd prefer Curry, I would make an Ellis trade. IMO, he's a solid player to build around going forward.

[ohara]

Word out of Treviso is Monti was not too impressive today either. Which may be a very good thing. If he slips down to #19, if we got a scorer at #9, I'd take him at #19. Lots of potential. If we resign Kwame, then Monti has no pressure and can be brought along slowly. Let him play 2nd string for a couple years, 12-15 min/game, and learn. That would be a good investment. But they have to get his buyout to something agreeable.

[Kembastockton]

I'm probably one of the very few who really likes Morris(both twins actually), but at 9....hmmm only if BB isn't there. In saying that Morris at 9 isn't a stretch, but i'd REALLY REALLY hope BB's still there.

As for the Dante - Morris comparison, i think Morris is a much more versatile scorer than Dante, better handle and post game. I'd take Morris over Dante anyday, but wouldn't mind Dante as a backup.

Here's the Fd up part. Does Silas go with twin #2 at 19. Wouldn't that be something.

For once Marvel I actually agree with you. Like I said before although my preference at nine is one of the two guards or threes I will be receptive to whoever we pick. I could understand why the cats might go this direction. Diaw is approaching freeagency. TT is inconsistent. White is not a starter. That is plenty reason to consider one of the ncaa's best scorers at the four position. Maybe we can do something like Boris and nineteen for Thabeet, Williams and 23.

Draft Express has Twitter Updates. Says the Biyombo workout was not too impressive. Yes he has energy and explosiveness, but he was missing lots of layups and it said he shot more jumpers than he has entire short career - and missed most.

Forget taking him at #9, he may last until #19.

That performance can easily be chaulked up to nerves. This kid is almost a lock for at least 10, 12, and 2 his first night on an nba court.

I would have to consider Hendo and #9 for Ellis. We'd hav e to throw in a couple filler contracts to make the numbers work, like Matt and Najera. But I do understand Fatlever's concern. But goodness knows we can sure use his scoring. And I dont see anyone in the draft at #9 who has his potential to score.

You would trade our best young player and the ninth pick in the draft for a player who plays no defense? Do you want to break the league's futility record?

[Eoghan]

You would trade our best young player and the ninth pick in the draft for a player who plays no defense? Do you want to break the league's futility record?

Yeah but, it's the Warriors. No one plays defense for the Warriors. Ellis is a bonafide scorer and star, two things sorely lacking on the Bobcats. Getting him for 9 and Hendo would be robbery unless Hendo explodes into a star (not super likely). No one @ #9 would be able to touch Monte in terms of talent.

It looks great on paper but chemistry, rebuilding-wise, I don't know if I'd do it.

[Kembastockton]

Word out of Treviso is Monti was not too impressive today either. Which may be a very good thing. If he slips down to #19, if we got a scorer at #9, I'd take him at #19. Lots of potential. If we resign Kwame, then Monti has no pressure and can be brought along slowly. Let him play 2nd string for a couple years, 12-15 min/game, and learn. That would be a good investment. But they have to get his buyout to something agreeable.

Only if Marshon and Jordan Ham. are off the board.

[Kembastockton]

You would trade our best young player and the ninth pick in the draft for a player who plays no defense? Do you want to break the league's futility record?

Yeah but, it's the Warriors. No one plays defense for the Warriors. Ellis is a bonafide scorer and star, two things sorely lacking on the Bobcats. Getting him for 9 and Hendo would be robbery unless Hendo explodes into a star (not super likely). No one @ #9 would be able to touch Monte in terms of talent.

It looks great on paper but chemistry, rebuilding-wise, I don't know if I'd do it.

Golden State plays no defense. I don't get the point there. When Jack, Baron, and JRich were there they played good enough defense to stop Dirk and company dead in their tracks. Ellis is a bonofide scorer. His star power is still questionable. True star power is measured in wins.

Getting him for 9 and Hendo would be robbery unless Hendo explodes into a star (not super likely).

That statement is incredibly short sighted. Hendo averaged 14 per game as a starter. He was the third scoring option and he hasn' t even developed a three point shot yet. Then there is no telling how good our ninth pick is going to be. I would be more willing to do this trade if it was Hendo and 19. I am always skitish about trading lottery picks. I am still haunted by the 13th pick for Vlade Divac trade.

[ohara]

Some very intersting statements by Doug Gottlieb today in an ESPN Insider article. Did comparisons of players and then stated who we preferred if you have the option. Take into account he is talking about how they would transition into the NBA.
Kanter over Williams
C. Singlton over Kawhi Leonard
Ch. Jenkins over Kemba
Kl. Thompson over Burks
Jon Leuer over Morris Twins

I was most surprised by the Singleton over Leonard one. But Gottlieb is one of the 2 people at ESPN whom I respect for their college BB knowledge. Jay Bilas being the other.

[Eoghan]

You would trade our best young player and the ninth pick in the draft for a player who plays no defense? Do you want to break the league's futility record?

Yeah but, it's the Warriors. No one plays defense for the Warriors. Ellis is a bonafide scorer and star, two things sorely lacking on the Bobcats. Getting him for 9 and Hendo would be robbery unless Hendo explodes into a star (not super likely). No one @ #9 would be able to touch Monte in terms of talent.

It looks great on paper but chemistry, rebuilding-wise, I don't know if I'd do it.

Golden State plays no defense. I don't get the point there. When Jack, Baron, and JRich were there they played good enough defense to stop Dirk and company dead in their tracks. Ellis is a bonofide scorer. His star power is still questionable. True star power is measured in wins.

Getting him for 9 and Hendo would be robbery unless Hendo explodes into a star (not super likely).

That statement is incredibly short sighted. Hendo averaged 14 per game as a starter. He was the third scoring option and he hasn' t even developed a three point shot yet. Then there is no telling how good our ninth pick is going to be. I would be more willing to do this trade if it was Hendo and 19. I am always skitish about trading lottery picks. I am still haunted by the 13th pick for Vlade Divac trade.

No, GS just outscored Dallas, there's a difference. There's nothing questionable about Monte Ellis' star power, when he's on his game and GS isn't playing themselves out of the game with TOs, dumb shots, and bricks at the FT line, Monte is one of the top 5 players in the league easily in terms of scoring.

You're just not watching enough Monte Ellis. Hendo might average 14 (like that's impressive in the first place) again but he might not b/c teams will have him better scouted. And yeah, Vlade for Kobe seems dumb now but we don't know that keeping Kobe would have worked out and regardless that pick enabled us to build a consistent playoff team so we made lemonade there.

[SWedd523]

We wouldn't have even drafted Kobe 13th, so...

[Leolovinliberal]

i dont see any logical trade that could land us ellis. he needs to be paired with a big guard. putting him next to augustin would be a disaster.

He wasn't exactly a disaster next to Steph.

[Leolovinliberal]

Word out of Treviso is Monti was not too impressive today either. Which may be a very good thing. If he slips down to #19, if we got a scorer at #9, I'd take him at #19. Lots of potential. If we resign Kwame, then Monti has no pressure and can be brought along slowly. Let him play 2nd string for a couple years, 12-15 min/game, and learn. That would be a good investment. But they have to get his buyout to something agreeable.

He's Bargnani v 2.0 Trust me, by his third year, you'll personally wanna drive him to CLT.

[Leolovinliberal]

Some very intersting statements by Doug Gottlieb today in an ESPN Insider article. Did comparisons of players and then stated who we preferred if you have the option. Take into account he is talking about how they would transition into the NBA.
Kanter over Williams
C. Singlton over Kawhi Leonard
Ch. Jenkins over Kemba
Kl. Thompson over Burks
Jon Leuer over Morris Twins

I was most surprised by the Singleton over Leonard one. But Gottlieb is one of the 2 people at ESPN whom I respect for their college BB knowledge. Jay Bilas being the other.

Bilas said that Thabeet was a "once a decade player." Technically he was right, because no one 7'1 will be as bad as Thabust within the next 10 years, but i don't think that's what Bilas meant.

[Marvel]

I wanna keep Hendo. He's passionate about holding his man down on D, very few in this league are. Has a solid mid range game to boot, great rebounder, teammate, won't back down from the superstars in this league, high work ethic, plays within himself and the offense...KEEP HENDO.

[Bassman]

Some very intersting statements by Doug Gottlieb today in an ESPN Insider article. Did comparisons of players and then stated who we preferred if you have the option. Take into account he is talking about how they would transition into the NBA.
Kanter over Williams
C. Singlton over Kawhi Leonard
Ch. Jenkins over Kemba
Kl. Thompson over Burks
Jon Leuer over Morris Twins

I was most surprised by the Singleton over Leonard one. But Gottlieb is one of the 2 people at ESPN whom I respect for their college BB knowledge. Jay Bilas being the other.

I can understand the rationale for Singleton over Leonard, and I think Thompson is already a better choice than Burks, but I fear Higgins will pick Alex no matter who is available at 9. I really don't know enough about Jenkins or Leuer to understand the other statements. But, in this draft, a relatively weak one for stars, the real winners will come from finding those diamonds in the rough.

[ohara]

2 weeks ago, mocks had Klay Thompson down around our 2nd 1st round pick at #19. Right now, I think he is much more likely to be our #9 pick. Really doing well in workouts. If it was an option between he and Burks, I'd probably prefer Thompson, but would not cry over taking Burks.

[bobcats3wallace]

2 weeks ago, mocks had Klay Thompson down around our 2nd 1st round pick at #19. Right now, I think he is much more likely to be our #9 pick. Really doing well in workouts. If it was an option between he and Burks, I'd probably prefer Thompson, but would not cry over taking Burks.

I agree. However I really think that Burks is beginning to fall some. I would be very pleased with Klay Thompson, especially with him paired with Hendo.

[SWedd523]

Jenkins is someone who was "loved" here for a few days before everyone forgot about him.

He's Kemba if he was 6'3 and a much better PG.