How bad did LeBron damage his legacy?

ecnirp · Post #221 » by **ecnirp** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:17 am

Im telling you.

LeBron wishes he played in the 80s/90s. He's not built for this scrutiny.

rottenzombie · Post #222 » by **rottenzombie** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:18 am

Coda wrote:What legacy? Honestly, what legacy does Lebron have? He doesn't have a legacy yet. Did Karl Malone (I actually love Malone) ruin his legacy when he didn't win the title after joining up with Shaq and Kobe? Nope. Tell me about the legacy of Sir Charles? Only champions truely have a legacy. Lebron isn't a champion. Maybe someday, but not yet. So far Lebron is a brand and a celebrity. People act like he is Jordan or something. Jordan was cold blooded winner and a champion many times over. Jordan became a brand by winning. Lebron seems to feel pressure to win to maintain his brand. This series hurt that brand. It didn't however hurt his legacy because he doesn't have a legacy yet.

Don't be silly.

Of course Malone has legacy, for his longevity, commitment to basketball, professionalism and that unforgettable PnR with Stockton, which was truly one of basketball's most memorable plays.

Sir Charles has a legacy, a legacy of determination, of gutsy performance (remember that "I can rest when I am dead?), of going up days in and days out against opponents taller than him.

You don't need a championship to have legacy, but championships enhance your legacy as a basketball player. If only championship matters, why don't we rename basketball as championshipball?

TommyPoints · Post #223 » by **TommyPoints** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:20 am

He needs a lot of work if he ever wants to be a complete player. Does he even move without the ball at all?

Blkbrd671 · Post #224 » by **Blkbrd671** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:21 am

He has a legacy, its just not good,

SolidSnake008 · Post #225 » by **SolidSnake008** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:25 am

You know skip bayless is going to tear him apart on that "same life, same problems" comment....you already know it because ESPN is already playing that specific clip of him saying that over and over again

The-Joker · Post #226 » by **The-Joker** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:25 am

i expect pretty soon for people to start saying that wade cant win without shaq

Post #227 » by **INKtastic** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:26 am

Nirvana wrote:
Blkbrd671 wrote:Who's having a bigger party, Dallas or Cleveland?

Dallas should have their ring ceremony in Cleveland so we can celebrate accordingly.

I'm sure they'll get the loudest ovation they ever got at a road game when they come to cleveland next year.

Blkbrd671 · Post #228 » by **Blkbrd671** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:30 am

I'm sure they'll get the loudest ovation they ever got at a road game when they come to cleveland next year.

HAHA , that would hilarious, what would they chant? BEAT THE HEAT!

Post #229 » by **INKtastic** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:34 am

Blkbrd671 wrote:
I'm sure they'll get the loudest ovation they ever got at a road game when they come to cleveland next year.

HAHA , that would hilarious, what would they chant? BEAT THE HEAT!

Boston opened the season with a win over the heat then came to cleveland the next night. Doc RIvers said people everywhere in cleveland were thanking him, then we gave them a huge ovation when they were announced, then we beat them.

I suspect we'll be as loud for Dallas, especially Dirk, when they are announced next year as we get for our own team.

ponder276 · Post #230 » by **ponder276** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:36 am

Meh, quite frankly this was more par for the course than out of character, he's played like trash in most of the biggest series of his career (last year vs the Celtics, in his other finals appearance vs the Spurs, etc.). The only time I've ever seen him really step up in a huge series is when the Cavs bowed out to Orlando, and even then his play was poor for the team IMO, he was very assertive but to the point of killing the offense, where it was just endless LeBron ISOs, and because he was doing so much on offense he had no energy to guard Hedo (who he should have been guarding), so ended up

LeBron gets compared to Jordan, but he's missing two of MJ's greatest assets:
1) The ability to step it up when it really counts
2) The ability to have a huge impact on games without dominating the ball (MJ, especially older MJ, was great moving off the ball and doing his work quickly and efficiently)

Until he figures these things out he'll continue to be a great regular season player who you can't count on when the chips are down in the playoffs.

triplet1984 · Post #231 » by **triplet1984** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:39 am

Jason Terry played better than Lebron James in the 4th quarters.

HighRyzer83 · Post #232 » by **HighRyzer83** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:48 am

Its nauseating how disingenuous Lebron is being in his press conferences. When is it time to drop the act?

realfung · Post #233 » by **realfung** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:00 am

jack612 wrote:-24

lol -41

hebrewhammer · Post #234 » by **hebrewhammer** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:01 am

ponder276 wrote:
LeBron gets compared to Jordan, but he's missing two of MJ's greatest assets:
1) The ability to step it up when it really counts
2) The ability to have a huge impact on games without dominating the ball (MJ, especially older MJ, was great moving off the ball and doing his work quickly and efficiently)

You're right that he's missing MJ's greatest assets:

1) best supporting cast/role players in the league. from Oakley to Grant to Pippen to Rodman to Pax to Kerr

2) calls from Stern. Lebron went to the free throw line less in the entire game than in 1 clutch 4th quarter of any of Jordan's games.

In any case this didn't affect his legacy at ALL. Whether its' something in the water, our food, our education system, our social structure or w/e Americans are retards.

Two weeks ago people were calling Lebron GOAT, they had already forgotten Lebron's dissappearing act 1 year ago in the Boston series.

Next year, every time Lebron wins a playoff series, let alone a Championship, people will forget about this year call him GOAT.

Americans' memories last literally 1 series. We're lucky if we remember game 6 what someone did game 2. Literally.

One series. Is all it takes to be GOAT. Or scum. Until the next series.

MAQ · Post #235 » by **MAQ** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:09 am

hebrewhammer wrote:
ponder276 wrote:
LeBron gets compared to Jordan, but he's missing two of MJ's greatest assets:
1) The ability to step it up when it really counts
2) The ability to have a huge impact on games without dominating the ball (MJ, especially older MJ, was great moving off the ball and doing his work quickly and efficiently)

You're right that he's missing MJ's greatest assets:

1) best supporting cast/role players in the league. from Oakley to Grant to Pippen to Rodman to Pax to Kerr

ChuckTheD · Post #236 » by **ChuckTheD** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:13 am

^I disagree. People still bring up the Boston series, and the fact remains that Lebron's play from the 4th quarter Game 2 on in this series probably cost his team a championship. Multiple championships would wash some of the bad taste away, but he can never change that fact.

Raps in 4 · Post #237 » by **Raps in 4** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:18 am

hebrewhammer wrote:
ponder276 wrote:
LeBron gets compared to Jordan, but he's missing two of MJ's greatest assets:
1) The ability to step it up when it really counts
2) The ability to have a huge impact on games without dominating the ball (MJ, especially older MJ, was great moving off the ball and doing his work quickly and efficiently)

You're right that he's missing MJ's greatest assets:

1) best supporting cast/role players in the league. from Oakley to Grant to Pippen to Rodman to Pax to Kerr

2) calls from Stern. Lebron went to the free throw line less in the entire game than in 1 clutch 4th quarter of any of Jordan's games.

In any case this didn't affect his legacy at ALL. Whether its' something in the water, our food, our education system, our social structure or w/e Americans are retards.

Two weeks ago people were calling Lebron GOAT, they had already forgotten Lebron's dissappearing act 1 year ago in the Boston series.

Next year, every time Lebron wins a playoff series, let alone a Championship, people will forget about this year call him GOAT.

Americans' memories last literally 1 series. We're lucky if we remember game 6 what someone did game 2. Literally.

One series. Is all it takes to be GOAT. Or scum. Until the next series.

dvdrdiscs · Post #238 » by **dvdrdiscs** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:20 am

Lets stop asking if Lebron can be as great as Jordan and start asking if Lebron can be as great as Kobe.

JunkYardSubs · Post #239 » by **JunkYardSubs** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:20 am

MAQ wrote:
hebrewhammer wrote:
ponder276 wrote:
LeBron gets compared to Jordan, but he's missing two of MJ's greatest assets:
1) The ability to step it up when it really counts
2) The ability to have a huge impact on games without dominating the ball (MJ, especially older MJ, was great moving off the ball and doing his work quickly and efficiently)

You're right that he's missing MJ's greatest assets:

1) best supporting cast/role players in the league. from Oakley to Grant to Pippen to Rodman to Pax to Kerr

Heat fans can't even believe that

Googjob · Post #240 » by **Googjob** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:22 am

You can't seriously be making the "Lebron didn't have enough help" argument. He was playing with a top 5 player and future Hall of Famer in his prime. One of the best PFs in the league. The bench actually played well in the series.

The difference in MJ and Lebron is that in the Finals, MJ didn't play like crap.