NBA Finals Thread: Mavericks vs. Heat

[JN]

in all fairness to anyone **** talking about the heat, this is the first year they were together and despite everyone saying they weren't gonna even make it to the finals, they did. wade, lebron and bosh are still only 26 years old, wade 28, they still have another couple of years of championship runs left. they're probably gonna win at least one championship in the next 5 years. that being said, i'm glad dallas won because they deserved it. go dirk.

In all fairness to you, I think everyone knows it's their first year and they're a great team, their age, and no one is denying they'll get their chance again next year and the year after that. The bottom line is the way they came together, the decision, the celebration, declaring it would be easy and they'd win multiple championships, etc. All that fuels people to dislike them, so excuse me if people **** talk about them. It's deserved.

I am surprised it took until November 24, 2010 for someone to take the LeDouche username.

[JN]

The biggest winners in all of this are the NBA. Lebron is making himself even more hated after the loss, and is making the team even a bigger villain.

The Heat proved they were extremely marketable as villains -- casual fans watched just to see them lose. As long as they reach the NBA finals the league will be happy.

[5DOM]

Someone on the General Board made a good point about how LeBron might have some personal problems of his own... like Rashard Lewis and his GF... and his mom and Delonte

[pspot]

JVG suggested Lebron for Howard

That would actually be a pretty sweet move for the Heat

Howard and Bosh actually compliment each other and are great friends
Wade could be the primary ball handler and scorer

that team would be sick to watch and going up against Lebron and his team in Orl would be pretty amazing

[carlosey]

From this experiment there are certain conclusions:

Bosh is indeed a difficult player to work with in todays NBA. He cant be the main man to carry a team, but he does have offensive finnesse to be a capable scorer. In terms of his frame, he is too skinny and is easily overpowered down low, but when he packs pounds his frame tends to break down(natural for someone with that frame).

He can hit jumpers nicely, but is absolutely brutal down low. He fumbled the ball incredibly and cannot complete unless the play is an iso created for him.

His defense was brutal. How he let Dirk school him on those postups all series long and even barea completely blow by him was bad. He was a great defensive player in his first two years in the L but has definitely lost that. Hes no pushover, but I do think his days as an all star will come to an end if he maintains playing behind lebron and wade or any other two stars for that matter. This season proved he is not a franchise player and that lebron and wade are indeed a few notches above him. He is overpaid massively for that reason.

If you put Bosh into a situation where he is the definitive #2 option on offense, has a strong defensive center next to him... and here is the difficult part... only makes 10 mil a year and not 16, he can excel. He is still one of the best mid-range shooting PFs in the game. But he is not a defensive anchor and as we saw gives up way too many offensive boards to the other team. His offense is not varied enough to be a #1 option either.

However very very few players take a demotion from #1 option to #2 or even #3 well unless it is clear the guy coming in is a lot better than him. Bosh obviously got that in Miami with LBJ and Wade. If he had stayed in Toronto, he would not have done that for DD, Bargs, or whoever it may be coming in next year. He would have stayed at #1, and we would have continued to have a predictable offense.

This is true. I think a lesson to learn here is that anyone can be made into a star if they have some talent and you create a system around them. For us it was Bosh running the clock down on the iso. Even though it was pure luck with hinsight now, we dodged a huge bullet by accident. Commiting to Bosh as your franchise player would have been a fundamentally crippling problem for the Raptors.

[LLJ]

Bosh is not that unique in the NBA as a star who gives your team a higher floor but a visible ceiling. Like dozens of other players, building around him means you'll rarely win less than 30 games but you're hard put to consistently win over 50, let alone even crack it.

[5DOM]

JVG suggested Lebron for Howard

That would actually be a pretty sweet move for the Heat

Howard and Bosh actually compliment each other and are great friends
Wade could be the primary ball handler and scorer

that team would be sick to watch and going up against Lebron and his team in Orl would be pretty amazing

No way Orlando gives Miami Dwight even if the return is one of Wade/LeBron.

[pspot]

JVG suggested Lebron for Howard

That would actually be a pretty sweet move for the Heat

Howard and Bosh actually compliment each other and are great friends
Wade could be the primary ball handler and scorer

that team would be sick to watch and going up against Lebron and his team in Orl would be pretty amazing

No way Orlando gives Miami Dwight even if the return is one of Wade/LeBron.

they would if he wasn't coming back

the rivalry would be ridiculous, they would get so much coverage

[DreamTeam09]

Its been a long time and i've waited yrs to say this but congrats to the Mavs and my favourite player of all time Dirk Nowitzki. I'm so happy for him and the team and myself for hanging in there all these yrs and now I finally get to cheer for a team that got it done. 06 loss was ruff but this one is sweet.

Now we are gonna repeat next yr.

[5DOM]

The coverage for the first few games would be huge just like LeBron's return to Cleveland, but I think Wade+Bosh+Dwight would **** all over the league including the "LeBron+scrubs" Magic. Most people in Florida probably start following the Heat only.

[whoknows]

JVG suggested Lebron for Howard

That would actually be a pretty sweet move for the Heat

Howard and Bosh actually compliment each other and are great friends
Wade could be the primary ball handler and scorer

that team would be sick to watch and going up against Lebron and his team in Orl would be pretty amazing

I've been saying this since last summer. It makes sense for Heat but nobody can stop them for the next 6-7 years.

[whoknows]

The coverage for the first few games would be huge just like LeBron's return to Cleveland, but I think Wade+Bosh+Dwight would **** all over the league including the "LeBron+scrubs" Magic. Most people in Florida probably start following the Heat only.

LeBJ certanly deserves that.
I wonder if anybody will call him the king...

[pspot]

JVG suggested Lebron for Howard

That would actually be a pretty sweet move for the Heat

Howard and Bosh actually compliment each other and are great friends
Wade could be the primary ball handler and scorer

that team would be sick to watch and going up against Lebron and his team in Orl would be pretty amazing

I've been saying this since last summer. It makes sense for Heat but nobody can stop them for the next 6-7 years.

would be a crazy power shift to the east

I'm not sure Wade's health holds up for 6 to 7 years, maybe 3 to 4

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Listening to his post-game press conference, Chris Bosh sounded like he's ready be a franchise player, or a number 1 option again. He repeatedly stated how this is a TEAM game, and I think he felt that he didn't get enough touches - looked visibly upset by it.

Chris Bosh might be the odd man out in Miami, and after experiencing all that took place this past season, I'm not sure if he wouldn't welcome it at this point, just from listening to him talk.

Bosh to Milwaukee?

[5DOM]

Bosh should stay because he actually fits, but I just can't see Wade or LeBron being traded.

[cjcfman]

Listening to his post-game press conference, Chris Bosh sounded like he's ready be a franchise player, or a number 1 option again. He repeatedly stated how this is a TEAM game, and I think he felt that he didn't get enough touches - looked visibly upset by it.

Chris Bosh might be the odd man out in Miami, and after experiencing all that took place this past season, I'm not sure if he wouldn't welcome it at this point, just from listening to him talk.

Bosh to Milwaukee?

End of 3rd quarter, Custodian and Mahinimi were on the floor at the same time. Bosh was also on, and Miami didn't give him the ball or even looked like they were trying too. I would be pissed if i was him too lol

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Bosh should stay because he actually fits, but I just can't see Wade or LeBron being traded.

He probably should stay, but I'm not sure if Bosh wants to stay. I don't know, maybe I'm reading too much into his post-game comments after losing a shot at the 'chip, but he clearly was not thrilled with just the amount of looks he was getting. James and Wade had the ball exclusively, just like they did throughout the year, and I'm not sure if Bosh ever adjusted to that.

[Too Late Crew]

This is true. I think a lesson to learn here is that anyone can be made into a star if they have some talent and you create a system around them. For us it was Bosh running the clock down on the iso. Even though it was pure luck with hinsight now, we dodged a huge bullet by accident. Commiting to Bosh as your franchise player would have been a fundamentally crippling problem for the Raptors.

You think Toronto dodged a bullet. How do you think Bosh feels?

Had he resigned in Toronto he'd have been sitting home for months watching the playoffs and waiting to watch BC uses the 7th overall pick on some guy who won't actually help. He'd be looking forward NOT to coming back next year with a team that missed the championship by a hair but to a lottery team with Bargs as his best support. He wouldn't be hoping they could add one or two more players who would play cheap tpo win a ring but hoping they could cobble together enough not to stink.

Bosh might be disapointed but he's miles better off where he is than where he EVER would be with Toronto.

[5DOM]

This is true. I think a lesson to learn here is that anyone can be made into a star if they have some talent and you create a system around them. For us it was Bosh running the clock down on the iso. Even though it was pure luck with hinsight now, we dodged a huge bullet by accident. Commiting to Bosh as your franchise player would have been a fundamentally crippling problem for the Raptors.

You think Toronto dodged a bullet. How do you think Bosh feels?

Had he resigned in Toronto he'd have been sitting home for months watching the playoffs and waiting to watch BC uses the 7th overall pick on some guy who won't actually help. He'd be looking forward NOT to coming back next year with a team that missed the championship by a hair but to a lottery team with Bargs as his best support. He wouldn't be hoping they could add one or two more players who would play cheap tpo win a ring but hoping they could cobble together enough not to stink.

Bosh might be disapointed but he's miles better off where he is than where he EVER would be with Toronto.

uhh..... okay..?
we still dodged a bullet

[5DOM]

As if reading the Sports section didn't suck enough for Heat fans this morning, Miami Herald readers opened their paper this morning to find a nearly full-page ad reading "Congratulations Miami!" and with photos of Heat championship T-shirts and hats from Macy's. ("Raise Another Banner" -- ughhhhh.)

Maybe Mark Cuban took this out as a extra special Monday morning foot-to-the-balls for Heat fans? He's devious. We won't put it past him.

Just for extra effect, the ad runs directly under a banner headline about how badly the Heat's point guard's sucked and a all-caps header proclaiming: DALLAS WINS BEST OF 7 SERIES 4-2.

Thanks, Miami Herald. You are the fourth-quarter LeBron James of local sports coverage:

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