Bobcats Picks Discussion (#9, #19, #39)

[fatlever]

i dont see any logical trade that could land us ellis. he needs to be paired with a big guard. putting him next to augustin would be a disaster.

He wasn't exactly a disaster next to Steph.

well, steph is 4 inches taller than dj and on defense dj makes steph look like russell westrbook so...

[Jaruff]

Jenkins is someone who was "loved" here for a few days before everyone forgot about him.

He's Kemba if he was 6'3 and a much better PG.

I still have love for Charles. I actually like him more than Brooks since he can play both positions. I wouldn't mind him at 19 even though that would be a tad high.

[bobcats3wallace]

Jenkins is someone who was "loved" here for a few days before everyone forgot about him.

He's Kemba if he was 6'3 and a much better PG.

I still have love for Charles. I actually like him more than Brooks since he can play both positions. I wouldn't mind him at 19 even though that would be a tad high.

I wonder if MJ would be willing to "buy" a late first round pick and look at a guy like that. If you could get say a Klay Thompson at 9 then at 19 look at Vucevic and then perhaps buy a late first to grab Charles. We would have to look at the Mavs, Nets, and Bulls for a trade and i'm not sure how willing either of those teams will be to trade. However if you could come out of the draft with Klay Thompson, Vucevic, and Jenkins that would a be hell of a draft. I also feel that if we keep our current picks that Ben Hansborough would be a similar type player to Jenkins and we could have him at 39.

[Kembastockton]

No, GS just outscored Dallas, there's a difference. There's nothing questionable about Monte Ellis' star power, when he's on his game and GS isn't playing themselves out of the game with TOs, dumb shots, and bricks at the FT line, Monte is one of the top 5 players in the league easily in terms of scoring.

You're just not watching enough Monte Ellis. Hendo might average 14 (like that's impressive in the first place) again but he might not b/c teams will have him better scouted. And yeah, Vlade for Kobe seems dumb now but we don't know that keeping Kobe would have worked out and regardless that pick enabled us to build a consistent playoff team so we made lemonade there.[/quote]


What is the difference as you see it? A team featuring Dirk Nowitski and Jason Terry (two well know scoring machines) was defeated by a lower seed and you want to take away any defensive impact on the games?

The point of the 13 reference is that I don't like to trade lottery picks. You never know how a pick is going to turn out. All of the two guards that we are evaluating could very easily turn out to be better than Monte.

I could easily say, "meh" if we make this trade, and none of the guys we would have picked at nine pan out. I would be highly upset however to make this trade, and Klay Thompson turn out to be the second coming of George Gervin or something.

Like I said before I would feel a lot better about this trade if it was Hendo and 19 or better yet DJ and 19 for that matter. Don't foget why Golden State is looking to move Monte. His defense is less than desired on the bigger guards in the nba. To take what Fatleaver said farther if we keep the ninth pick then we could pick Burks who would compliment Monte perfactly. Both could share scoring and playmaking duties. Monte would cover Burk's shooting woes, and Burks and Hendo could share covering what ever big guards we face.

[Snidely FC]

I wonder if MJ would be willing to "buy" a late first round pick

should call ainge, he has said the celts don't need their pick

http://www.nesn.com/2011/06/celtics-app ... draft.html

[Bassman]

I want to make the case for trading up and targeting the "other two" players who will make big impacts in the league: Enes Kanter and Brandon Knight.

In my dreams we'd make deals to get both the 3 & 4 picks, but we'd be lucky to get just one of these guys. I think Kanter will be a quality 5 in this league. He has the length skills and size to deliver a post game and range outside for scoring. Questions for sure on his defense and intensity, but he seems (by reports) to be a guy motivated to be great, so hopefully he will work hard to improve those things. Our greatest need right now (other than outside shooting) is a player who can make a difference in the post. We need a 5, and enes is certainly big enough to play that in today's NBA. For that reason Kanter should be our #1 target. But Knight is certainly 1A.

I believe Brandon Knight could become a better PG than Kyrie Irving. He may not be as flashy, but Knight already has a quality game on both sides of the ball, is a leader, and has all the intangibles to become a great PG. In a league that highly values PG's who can score, pass and defend, Knight is the man in this draft for that job. He's obviously very young, and still needs time to develop his distribution skills. But he's incredibly smart and dedicated. His progress in short bursts has been impressive.

So how can we get one of these guys? I doubt we have enough to offer, especially since the 9 & 19 won't be enough to move to 3 or 4. If Cleveland is unable to trade up to 2 in order to draft Irving and Williams, are they more inclined to deal the 4? If they are prone to take Williams at #1, I'd offer them the 19th, the 39th pick and DJ for the #4. That may not be enough value, but they get a young PG with some experience to pair with Williams, plus another pick that allows them to add depth. Their fans would probably howl at passing Irving, but they need Williams, who becomes the "new" King of Cleveland. Would I trade the 9 and DJ to get to #4? If Kanter is off the board to Utah, it would be a tough call, but I'd pull that trigger to get Knight.

Silas said you only trade up to get a star. No guarantees obviously, but I think both Kanter and Knight are borderline future star players. While I like other players later in this draft (Brooks, Vucevic) neither may become more than a solid reserve. I think that's the case with most players in this draft. But Kanter and Knight will demonstrate that they belonged in the same discussion of top-quality players as Irving and Williams. The coach speaks highly of DJ but I'm not convinced they really think he's THE MAN for the future at the 1; I know I'm not. Still we are starting over, and I doubt we "swing for the fences" with our picks or with a trade.

[ZackAttack23]

I know this is random, but last night I had a weird dream that Kawhi Leonard was wearing a dress. Then some random lady was doing religious chants in another language! Something is wrong with me!!

[ohara]

I'd love Kanter or Knight. But we cannot hold onto #9 and get in range to get them. No matter who we add as a player into the deal. #9 would have to go. Hopefully find a way to keep #19.

[MrMorrow]

Trade #9 or #19 for a veteran.

[ohara]

Trade #9 or #19 for a veteran.

OK. I'll give Miami Diaw and #19 for LeBron. But that is as far as I go!

[ohara]

According to Draft Express, Monti had done some heavy lifting before is workout this weekend, which accounts for him being tired and not shooting well. He gave another workout and apparently did very well.

[Jaruff]

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/6/13/2 ... draft-2011

Jonas Valanciunas and Davis Bertans did not withdraw their names from the 2011 NBA Draft by Monday deadline, according to DraftExpress, and will beeligible for selection at the June 23 draft. Lucas Nogueria has withdrawn, however.

[bobcats3wallace]

Trade #9 or #19 for a veteran.

Why? Were rebuilding. We need to acquire YOUNG talent OR a Superstar. Trading potential young players for a vet for a limited short term gain is what got us into the belated process of finding success in the first place. We have 2 years and almost all contracts are off the books. Lets use our draft picks now, gain cap space now, and be on the fringe of the playoffs now. Then come 2 years from now we will have a good base of young talent and lots of cap space. At that time THEN we can seriously look at building a true champion and hopefully be smarter than we were the first time. Luckily though for us, we can probably remain a playoff contender with our current roster we figure to have come season beginnings (with draft picks) so there will still be excitement surrounding our team unlike other teams like the Twolves. We just simply cannot afford to waist draft picks.

[Marvel]

Lexy part 2, not getting any love...

[BigSlam]

DX's latest incarnation of their mock draft (updated this afternoon) has the Bobcats selecting:

#9 = Kawhi Leonard
#19 = Tobias Harris
#39 = Norris Cole

Interesting that they have both Burks and Klay dropping all the way down to #13 and #14 while Hamilton has climbed up to #17. Also of note: they have us taking Harris at #19 over Vucevic, who is mocked to go #21. Brooks is back to his usual late first round position (#25).

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2011/

[ohara]

I would not cry over Leonard and Harris in the 1st, but I'd really like a Center at #19 so I think I'd be more for Vucevic or Monti at #19. But Harris is nothing to get upset about. I know nothing about Norris Cole. I would dearly love for Jeremy Tyler to fall to #39. That would be a nice present for the Bobcats.

[BigSlam]

I would not cry over Leonard and Harris in the 1st, but I'd really like a Center at #19 so I think I'd be more for Vucevic or Monti at #19. But Harris is nothing to get upset about. I know nothing about Norris Cole. I would dearly love for Jeremy Tyler to fall to #39. That would be a nice present for the Bobcats.

Agreed ohara. Especially with Tyler off the board just before we would pick at #39, I would really want to draft Vucevic at #19 just to be sure we add some size this summer.

[Bassman]

DX's latest incarnation of their mock draft (updated this afternoon) has the Bobcats selecting:

#9 = Kawhi Leonard
#19 = Tobias Harris
#39 = Norris Cole

Interesting that they have both Burks and Klay dropping all the way down to #13 and #14 while Hamilton has climbed up to #17. Also of note: they have us taking Harris at #19 over Vucevic, who is mocked to go #21. Brooks is back to his usual late first round position (#25).

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2011/

Not a big fan of this mock, but they have Kanter going 6th to the Wiz. LET'S MAKE A DEAL!

[BigSlam]

Draftnet hawking their wares now with an updated mock tonight.

#9 = Marcus Morris
#19 = Klay Thompson
#39 = Norris Cole

Who the heck is this Norris Cole fella who seems to be popping up all of a sudden?!?!!?

http://www.nbadraft.net/2011mock_draft

[Eoghan]

Norris Cole is that little fella from Cleveland St I think, has the flat top and super quicks. I guess the Barea hype is elevating his stock.