KB2011 MOCK: 17th Pick Knicks Select Donatas Motiejunas

ibraheim718 · Post #61 » by **ibraheim718** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:21 pm

So what is the buyout number for junas?

Post #62 » by **Manhattan Project** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:30 pm

ibraheim718 wrote:So what is the buyout number for junas?

No set number, their still negotiating.

Im Coming Home · Post #63 » by **Im Coming Home** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:33 pm

I want Selby, especially after seeing that highlight mix. Its highschool talent but like another poster said, you look for handles, quickness and athleticism, shooting ability when you watch videos like that... and damn the kid impressed me.

Kn1cks · Post #64 » by **Kn1cks** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:33 pm

All of you voting for Motiejunas better not complain when he doesnt rebound or defend. Drafting a player like this is endorcing D'Antoni as the coach long term.

Post #65 » by **Manhattan Project** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:38 pm

Kn1cks wrote:All of you voting for Motiejunas better not complain when he doesnt rebound or defend. Drafting a player like this is endorcing D'Antoni as the coach long term.

D'Antoni made the playoffs last year.
D'Antoni will make the playoffs next year.

Is NY really going to fire a coach after making the playoffs two years in a row after the past decade we had? On top of that we essentially are in the D'Antoni era for just one year, throwing away the first two because we all knew that those were throw a way years.

It's not that I'm endorsing D'Antoni, its more that I believe we aren't getting rid of him no matter how much people want to believe.

BowlRips · Post #66 » by **BowlRips** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:41 pm

Im Coming Home wrote:I want Selby, especially after seeing that highlight mix. Its highschool talent but like another poster said, you look for handles, quickness and athleticism, shooting ability when you watch videos like that... and damn the kid impressed me.

I like Selby alot.

But you could problem get him if you buy a mid-20's pick

BowlRips · Post #67 » by **BowlRips** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:43 pm

Jonathon Givony posted his new mock draft.

Has us taking Jordan Hamilton over Motie, Vucevic, Faried, Selby, Shumpert, Brooks
who wasn't even on my radar?

What's his skillset. Shot 38% from 3 last year. Is he a shooter? Looks like he has great size. Compared to Stephen Jackson..

Also if his mock draft is accurate, I like the value at the end of the first round. Motie, Vucevic, Faried, Selby, Shumpert, and Brooks all seem like they'll be atleast decent role players in this league.

We need to acquire a mid 20's pick and grab 1 if not 2. Is that possible at this point? Who's shopping.

This whole time I'm sort of hoping one of these guys falls to us, meanwhile it seems well be passing on them.

Post #68 » by **j4remi** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:45 pm

From those guys, I take Selby and try to get right back in the draft to go after Brooks or Vucevic by immediately making TD available.

Marty McFly · Post #69 » by **Marty McFly** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:46 pm

My dream draft is brooks, selby and motie. and I'd make both toney and fields available to make it happen.

haterade · Post #70 » by **haterade** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:51 pm

Voted motie, but what happened to Reggie Jackson? Hype was starting to get rolling on him then nothing. I really am more intrigued with Reggie.

TrueWarrior · Post #71 » by **TrueWarrior** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:55 pm

REVOLVER wrote:My dream draft is brooks, selby and motie. and I'd make both toney and fields available to make it happen.

Yea the thing is that Motie wont last until the late 1st round, while theres a chance Selby and to a lesser extent Brooks will. There seem to be a lot of solid guards still on the board. Donatas just seems like a clear step above the bigs.

Guards left at this point:

Brooks
Selby
Hamilton
Jackson
Shumpert
Honeycut
Jenkins
Lee
Darius
Leslie
Nolan
Mack
Lighty
Goudelock
Cole
Liggins
Garret
Hopson
Joseph

Big Men left:

Donatas
Vucevic
Faried
Harper
JuJuan
Tyler
Leuer
Thompkins
Benson
Jordan Williams
Greg Smith
Willie Reed
Rick Jackson
Macklin

Take Donatas, then try to get 1 or 2 of the guards left, and we lookin good.

After that grab some goon bigs in free agency.

Guano · Post #72 » by **Guano** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:59 pm

Reggie Jackson

Marty McFly · Post #73 » by **Marty McFly** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:08 pm

TrueWarrior wrote:
REVOLVER wrote:My dream draft is brooks, selby and motie. and I'd make both toney and fields available to make it happen.

Yea the thing is that Motie wont last until the late 1st round, while theres a chance Selby and to a lesser extent Brooks will. There seem to be a lot of solid guards still on the board. Donatas just seems like a clear step above the bigs.

I'm not for trading just to trade, and as much as i respect toney and fields, we HAVE to retool. we NEED better fits. selby might not be that much of a better fit than toney, but he might very well end up being a much better combo off the bench than toney.

we know fields is not an sg, He's an sf. he's not a good enough shooter nor has the lateral quickness to keep up with the elite sgs. that's not to say that brooks would fair better, since we have yet to see him in the league, but i think the gamble of replacing fields with brooks is small.

optimistically, I'd wanna move toney for the 18th (char) or 19th (wiz; they can play him with wall in the backcourt.)

for fields, the best I'd hope for is a late lotto pick, which though some might think a bit to steep for fields, i don't think the talent level of the players peg at 14 and on is higher than fields, but their might a a number of players who are a better fit.

BrOnXKing1 · Post #74 » by **BrOnXKing1** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:13 pm

Manhattan Project wrote:
Kn1cks wrote:All of you voting for Motiejunas better not complain when he doesnt rebound or defend. Drafting a player like this is endorcing D'Antoni as the coach long term.

D'Antoni made the playoffs last year.
D'Antoni will make the playoffs next year.

Is NY really going to fire a coach after making the playoffs two years in a row after the past decade we had? On top of that we essentially are in the D'Antoni era for just one year, throwing away the first two because we all knew that those were throw a way years.

It's not that I'm endorsing D'Antoni, its more that I believe we aren't getting rid of him no matter how much people want to believe.

Dude stop with the DAntoni made the playoffs last year. We made the playoffs last year despite DAntoni, futhermore anyone can make the playoffs when you have 2 of the top 10 players in the NBA. Our biggest problem is defense and rebounding. If DAntoni was a good defensive coach i would say draft Montiejunas b/c despite having a guy on the front line that plays a lick of D, we can would have a good scheme. But we dont have a good defensive scheme, and we will never win a championship in without one. That is a fact, the mavs finally won a championship when Tyson Chandler and Rick Carlisle brought some toughness to this team. We are in a similar situation.

ManiaX · Post #75 » by **ManiaX** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:27 pm

REVOLVER wrote:My dream draft is brooks, selby and motie. and I'd make both toney and fields available to make it happen.

Why trade Toney and Selby when you don't have too?

Both of them are solid rotation players on a good team. I wish they would stop being criticized so much after one bad playoff series.

Toney was a combo guard when he was drafted, it is nothing new. No reason you can't have more than one combo guard on a team. Billups is going to get the majority of minutes at PG. Selby would be lucky to crack the rotation.

Fields played SG all season long and nobody complained about him being a SF. If anything he is not strong or long enough to play SF. He is a rookie with a strong work ethic, I would rather take my chances on letting him improve his game.

Post #76 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:31 pm

I'm just not really sold on Donatas. I don't think he will be as good as Bargs. Rebounding and D are so crucial from big men especially in the playoffs. Plus we have Amare.

I think Donatas could eventually go to a bad team and put up some scoring numbers, but I just don't see how he helps us.

The problem with drafting someone like this to be a trade chip is that you also have to spend time to develop him. When rookies are stuck on the bench there trade value plummets (Hill, AR). I don't think we are in a good situation to develop him.

Its almost the same thing with Selby. We would have to develop him. But I would still take Selby over Motie. I think he has a better chance to meet his potential.

It would be pretty much down to Faried or Selby for me. I'm not really too crazy about anyone else here. Selby is just too much of a question mark for me. So I would go with Faried.

I would def try to get some more picks to take some more chances, but we need some rotation guys in this draft.

ITGM · Post #77 » by **ITGM** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:35 pm

Pharmcat wrote:if donatas is there

you take him

Post #78 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:40 pm

REVOLVER wrote:
TrueWarrior wrote:
REVOLVER wrote:My dream draft is brooks, selby and motie. and I'd make both toney and fields available to make it happen.

Yea the thing is that Motie wont last until the late 1st round, while theres a chance Selby and to a lesser extent Brooks will. There seem to be a lot of solid guards still on the board. Donatas just seems like a clear step above the bigs.

I'm not for trading just to trade, and as much as i respect toney and fields, we HAVE to retool. we NEED better fits. selby might not be that much of a better fit than toney, but he might very well end up being a much better combo off the bench than toney.

we know fields is not an sg, He's an sf. he's not a good enough shooter nor has the lateral quickness to keep up with the elite sgs. that's not to say that brooks would fair better, since we have yet to see him in the league, but i think the gamble of replacing fields with brooks is small.

optimistically, I'd wanna move toney for the 18th (char) or 19th (wiz; they can play him with wall in the backcourt.)

for fields, the best I'd hope for is a late lotto pick, which though some might think a bit to steep for fields, i don't think the talent level of the players peg at 14 and on is higher than fields, but their might a a number of players who are a better fit.

Fields was a top 5 rookie. Trading him for a mid round pick would be terrible.

Fields still shot 39% from 3 in the NBA. Brooks shot 34% in college.

It just doesn't make sense to me.

TrueWarrior · Post #79 » by **TrueWarrior** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:41 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:I'm just not really sold on Donatas. I don't think he will be as good as Bargs. Rebounding and D are so crucial from big men especially in the playoffs. Plus we have Amare.

I think Donatas could eventually go to a bad team and put up some scoring numbers, but I just don't see how he helps us.

The problem with drafting someone like this to be a trade chip is that you also have to spend time to develop him. When rookies are stuck on the bench there trade value plummets (Hill, AR). I don't think we are in a good situation to develop him.

Its almost the same thing with Selby. We would have to develop him. But I would still take Selby over Motie. I think he has a better chance to meet his potential.

It would be pretty much down to Faried or Selby for me. I'm not really too crazy about anyone else here. Selby is just too much of a question mark for me. So I would go with Faried.

I would def try to get some more picks to take some more chances, but we need some rotation guys in this draft.

Faried has just as many question marks as anybody. Hes no defensive stopper or intimidator. Wed basically just be drafting an athletic rebounder with no skills.

I find it crazy honestly that anyone would take Faried over Donatas, and if we're going with potential then Donatas has much more of it than Selby, being 8 inches taller.

Never. Reach. For. Need. Thats what you're doing, and Faried isnt even guaranteed to fill anything. Donatas has talent you dont pass on for an undersized rebounder.

We'll get some mercenaries in free agency to do the dirty work.

Marty McFly · Post #80 » by **Marty McFly** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:44 pm

ManiaX wrote:
REVOLVER wrote:My dream draft is brooks, selby and motie. and I'd make both toney and fields available to make it happen.

Why trade Toney and Selby when you don't have too?

Both of them are solid rotation players on a good team. I wish they would stop being criticized so much after one bad playoff series.

Toney was a combo guard when he was drafted, it is nothing new. No reason you can't have more than one combo guard on a team. Billups is going to get the majority of minutes at PG. Selby would be lucky to crack the rotation.

Fields played SG all season long and nobody complained about him being a SF. If anything he is not strong or long enough to play SF. He is a rookie with a strong work ethic, I would rather take my chances on letting him improve his game.

I've already paid my respects to each player. toney played like a lion with a shoulder injury, that said, If i had to choose selby over him i would.

as far as fields, I'm not gonna have a discussion with were i deeming our players. but as i said in my post, if i had the choice between selby and brooks over fields and toney, I'm going with selby and brooks.

With the 17th Pick in the 2011 NBA Draft the New York Knicks select