Official Offseason Thread 3.0

[TASTIC]

Another new one!

[lilfishi22]

I'm excited! Not really....

[DirtyDez]

Quick ?

Are we positive Vince can be traded without picking up his team option because technically we can't trade someone who's not under contract. If we pick up his option and then trade him the recieving team would have to pay him 17 mil because they couldn't buyout a player whos option is already picked up.

[BurningHeart]

Total pet peeve, Tas....but could you capitalize the "T" in thread? LOL.

As for Vince, that's a damn good question. We better not get screwed lol

[carey]

Quick ?

Are we positive Vince can be traded without picking up his team option because technically we can't trade someone who's not under contract. If we pick up his option and then trade him the recieving team would have to pay him 17 mil because they couldn't buyout a player whos option is already picked up.

It's not a team option in the usual way. Think of it like this, Vince Carter is under contract for 2011-2012 for 18M, but a team can choose to buy him out for $4M dollars if that option is exercised by June 30th.

Edit: Which means we'll likely see a Carter trade on draft night or not at all, and he will just be bought out.

[TheMan44]

how many of these new pages until the lockout ends?

My guess is this offseason thread will go up to 5.0 or 6.0 until season begins..

[DirtyDez]

Quick ?

Are we positive Vince can be traded without picking up his team option because technically we can't trade someone who's not under contract. If we pick up his option and then trade him the recieving team would have to pay him 17 mil because they couldn't buyout a player whos option is already picked up.

It's not a team option in the usual way. Think of it like this, Vince Carter is under contract for 2011-2012 for 18M, but a team can choose to buy him out for $4M dollars if that option is exercised by June 30th.

Edit: Which means we'll likely see a Carter trade on draft night or not at all, and he will just be bought out.

Can the recieving team can still by him out after trading for him (if that option is exersized by June 30th)...?

[TheMan44]

doubt Vince gets traded. A simple 4 mill buyout is more likely.

what I assume may happen in my opinion is a Pietrus for big-man. Pietrus is expiring at just 5 million and teams would love to rent a defensive wing. He has worth. Suns can get a C/PF in a Pietrus trade. In addition, Suns could probably package Lopez/Pick for a young shooting guard talent or simply sign a shooting guard with MLE. Drafting a versatile SF/PF is probably what will be at #13 (Singleton).

Here is the mold of how the depth will look, without filling in names:

G: Nash-Brooks-Dowdell
G: Trade-Dudley-Dowdell
F: Hill-Childress-Draftee
F: Frye-Trade-Warrick
C: Gortat-Lopez-Lawal

[carey]

Can the recieving team can still by him out after trading for him (if that option is exersized by June 30th)...?

Yes, of course. That's the point I was trying to make. I guess I did not explain it well.

[RunDogGun]

With zero idea how this CBA/lockout will go, I don't see a team putting together a good enough package for us to trade VC. More than likely, we will buy him out for the four million. I wouldn't mind Hamilton and the #8 for VC and Lopez.

[DirtyDez]

Can the recieving team can still by him out after trading for him (if that option is exersized by June 30th)...?

Yes, of course. That's the point I was trying to make. I guess I did not explain it well.

Ok gotcha. I was told by someone that if his option gets picked up the recieving team would have to pay his full salary. His buyout + Lopez + #13 possibly definitely has value.

[nevetsov]

I'm a little confused by Pietrus' agent's comment - saying that he would expect a draft day trade considering we are overloaded at the wing position and shorter at other positions.

Last time I checked wing was our shortest rotation:

SG/ SF: Dudley, Hill, Pietrus, Childress (4)
PF/ C: Gortat, Frye, Lopez, Warrick, Lawal, Siler (6)
PG: Nash, Brooks, Dowdell (3)

.. And he probably is above Chilly in the depth chart at this moment. Nevertheless, most teams have more than 4 wings. And having 4 quality wings isn't a problem, it's something that we should keep if we want to be any good. If it's a case of minutes, then this is probably as good a situation as any, as we'll want to limit Grant as much as possible and an injury would mean 36mpg for the three remaining guys.

Unless his agent knows we are drafting a wing, trading for a wing, or god forbid keeping VC, then the comment seems a little short sighted?

[RunDogGun]

For hopefully the last time, we are not keeping VC!

[TheMan44]

I'm a little confused by Pietrus' agent's comment - saying that he would expect a draft day trade considering we are overloaded at the wing position and shorter at other positions.

Last time I checked wing was our shortest rotation:

SG/ SF: Dudley, Hill, Pietrus, Childress (4)
PF/ C: Gortat, Frye, Lopez, Warrick, Lawal, Siler (6)
PG: Nash, Brooks, Dowdell (3)

.. And he probably is above Chilly in the depth chart at this moment. Nevertheless, most teams have more than 4 wings. And having 4 quality wings isn't a problem, it's something that we should keep if we want to be any good. If it's a case of minutes, then this is probably as good a situation as any, as we'll want to limit Grant as much as possible and an injury would mean 36mpg for the three remaining guys.

Unless his agent knows we are drafting a wing, trading for a wing, or god forbid keeping VC, then the comment seems a little short sighted?

I think his agent is counting Vince Carter, who is still technically a Phoenix Sun. So that makes 5 "quality" wings who demand play time.

But yes, it is a head scratcher. Once Vince is bought-out, they have 4 wings. Most NBA teams carry 5 or 6 wings with ease.

Suns have a tremendous jam at the C/PF as you mentioned. Yet, they still keep talking about how they want to draft a big man. This makes it almost certain that Lopez/Warrick are pretty much getting traded somewhere, sometime. Hopefully soon...

[RunDogGun]

Well we haven't resigned Hill yet, so even if he is counting VC, he can't count Hill yet.

[Frank Lee]

Can the recieving team can still by him out after trading for him (if that option is exersized by June 30th)...?

Yes, of course. That's the point I was trying to make. I guess I did not explain it well.

Ok gotcha. I was told by someone that if his option gets picked up the recieving team would have to pay his full salary. His buyout + Lopez + #13 possibly definitely has value.

Value ....but cost, as any team interested in VC's cash saver deal would be unloading salary on us. I would think with the stated desire for cap room flexibility, we would be more apt to consider deals that provided at least a portion of them expiring. ie Diaw, Jamison, etc.... unless a real smoker lands in our lap.

If I we're betting on it, I think a VC trade with Charlotte would have good odds.... but the favored money is on a buy out.

[nevetsov]

On the money as always, Frankstradamus.

The only way we don't buy out VC and pocket the savings ourselves is if we find a team wanting us to take back one extra year of expiring salary coupled with an asset or assets for our trouble.

That way we preserve our capspace for next offseason with maybe an extra pick in next year's draft.

[DRK]

Unless his agent knows we are drafting a wing, trading for a wing, or god forbid keeping VC, then the comment seems a little short sighted?

I think its most likely the first option. If Biyombo is off the board, it's most probable that we draft a wing because there really any other outstanding PF prospects. You also have to remember, Hill will be retiring in a season or 2, leaving us with only Chilly and Dudley.

I would bet my left nut that we draft a SF or SG, someone like Jordan Hamilton or Chris Singleton. If that is the case, we will probably ditch Pietrus for, a pick late first in this year's draft, which would be used to pick up someone like Tyler or Darius Morris, and a veteran wing on a reasonable deal.

[ray ray]

I can see a trade of Mickeal Pietrus(5.3), Robin Lopez (1.8) and the 13th pick for Micheal Beasley (4.9), Johnny Flynn (3.2) and their 20th pick

[KLEON]

I can see a trade of Mickeal Pietrus(5.3), Robin Lopez (1.8) and the 13th pick for Micheal Beasley (4.9), Johnny Flynn (3.2) and their 20th pick

Please God let this happen