LeTravel, LaQween, LaDouche - La Going to LA

[doclinkin]

[FAH1223]

Lebron on people wanting to see him fail: "It doesn't weigh on me, because at the end of the day, those same people have to wake up in the morning and live their lives, and deal with problems in their own lives in the real world. I'll just continue to lean on my friends and family, because they are what make me happy."

[hands11]

Lebron on people wanting to see him fail: "It doesn't weigh on me, because at the end of the day, those same people have to wake up in the morning and live their lives, and deal with problems in their own lives in the real world. I'll just continue to lean on my friends and family, because they are what make me happy."

Wow. Maybe the most mature reply I have ever heard from him.

Good read on LBs game. One dimensional.

http://www.truthaboutit.net/2011/06/the ... more-16029

[fishercob]

Lebron on people wanting to see him fail: "It doesn't weigh on me, because at the end of the day, those same people have to wake up in the morning and live their lives, and deal with problems in their own lives in the real world. I'll just continue to lean on my friends and family, because they are what make me happy."

He's not so articulate. I don't think he meant "hey, I'm rich, and all those losers have to go back to their sucky little lives."

I thought he was pretty gracious in the post-game. I'm actually growing tired of the Lebron-hate, because it's just gotten so over the top. Instead of focusing on what he actually deserves to be criticized for, people have gone insane and criticized him for anything and everything.

It's a disturbing microcosm of our society of hero worshippers -- people can either do no wrong and we celebrate them, or do no right and we demonize them. No shades of gray, no nuance.

I hated the decision, but that's as much on Mav Carter as it is on Lebron.
I hated the victory parade, but that's mostly on Pat Riley, IMO.
I hate the flopping and the whining, but the NBA has done a horrible job legislating that stuff out of the game.

But beyond that? It's a little much for me...

[Severn Hoos]

Lebron on people wanting to see him fail: "It doesn't weigh on me, because at the end of the day, those same people have to wake up in the morning and live their lives, and deal with problems in their own lives in the real world. I'll just continue to lean on my friends and family, because they are what make me happy."

Wow. Maybe the most mature reply I have ever heard from him.

Good read on LBs game. One dimensional.

http://www.truthaboutit.net/2011/06/the ... more-16029

I woke up and read this quote and thought - hmm, maybe he is gaining some humility and self-awareness. But the quote is actually slightly different than FAH's posting:

Question: Does it bother you that so many people are happy to see you fail?

LeBron James: Absolutely not. Because at the end of the day, all the people that was rooting on me to fail, at the end of the day they have to wake up tomorrow and have the same life that they had before they woke up today. They have the same personal problems they had today. I'm going to continue to live the way I want to live and continue to do the things that I want to do with me and my family and be happy with that. They can get a few days or a few months or whatever the case may be on being happy about not only myself, but the Miami Heat not accomplishing their goal, but they have to get back to the real world at some point.

And the audio sounds much worse to my ears. Even Brian Windbag of the ridiculously over-the-top "Heat Index" called it a "defense mechanism" and that LeBron was throwing it in people's faces that he's rich and famous and they're losers with pathetic little lives.

So yeah, I think he has matured a bit (would be hard not to), but not too much after all.

[dangermouse]

Yeah i got my own problems but I got to say to you, son. LeBron u got 99 problems and a Ring u aint won.

[Zonkerbl]

Well, I've used up my LeBron hate, I'm afraid. I think next year (or whenever the next playoffs will be) I'll be rooting for Miami because I feel so bad for Chris Bosh. He's a genuinely good person and I would like to see him rewarded for that. I just really didn't want them to win this year. Next year is fine.

[Nivek]

I'm with fish -- "hating" Lebron has gone over the top. I rooted against him and Miami this series, but he's not Satan. (I don't think.)

What I've found truly amusing are the attempts to critique his "one-dimensional" game. Lebron's "no plan B" game looked awesome until the Finals. What, he suddenly forgot how to play in the 4th quarter after the Heat eliminated Chicago?

Legler was on the radio saying Lebron's "flaw" is that he has no mid-range game. According to Legler, "everything" Lebron does is at the rim or the 3pt line. Except, if you look at the shot distance stats, 37% of his FGA this season were from that mid-range -- 10-23 feet. He shot 44.6% combined, which is good.

My pop psychology analysis is that he didn't seem to play with abandon in the Finals. Play sports long enough and eventually you'll run into the personality I think he may have. The guy wants to win, but he's basically a front runner. When things go wrong, he doesn't dig in and play with desperation -- he sorta shuts down. Doesn't quite go all out. Maybe it's a kind of defense mechanism, I dunno. But I've seen it a few times. I might not be describing it very well. He's not the guy who when things aren't going well will just clobber an opponent to get the team fired up.

My point is that I don't think his game has a fatal flaw. It may be that he has some personal issues to work out before he plays with the necessary whatever to win a championship.

Or, it could just be that Dallas had a better team this June.

[fishercob]

I'm also used to seeing Lebron play with a decent amount of joie de vivre, and I saw very little of that in the finals. I think he's got to be having fun to be most effective -- and for whatever reason, he wasnt able to revel in and enjoy this level of competition.

[LyricalRico]

My pop psychology analysis is that he didn't seem to play with abandon in the Finals. Play sports long enough and eventually you'll run into the personality I think he may have. The guy wants to win, but he's basically a front runner. When things go wrong, he doesn't dig in and play with desperation -- he sorta shuts down. Doesn't quite go all out. Maybe it's a kind of defense mechanism, I dunno. But I've seen it a few times. I might not be describing it very well. He's not the guy who when things aren't going well will just clobber an opponent to get the team fired up.

"Front runner" was also a term I said to myself last night to describe LeBron. But what can you expect from a guy that was given everything physically and then annointed as The King by the entire country before he even graduated HS? Everything so far has come easy for him except winning a title. It will be very interesting to see what he learns from this. His post-game comments/tweets don't bode well, but maybe he'll learn something after he had time to ponder.

Of course I hope he doesn't, so that we can enjoy his failure for years to come!

(And just to be clear, my hatred of LeBron pre-dates "The Decision" by a lot. Beating the Wiz that first time because of multiple un-called travels and interfering with Gil at the FT line ensured that I will forever hate him, regardless of what else he may do in his life. That is my right as a fan.)

[Rafael122]

I disagree with the hate going over the top. He's asked for it, Wizards fans have hated this guy for a few years now, before hating Lebron became cool. I hope he goes down as one of those great players who never wins a ring.

[tontoz]

Lebron is in photoshop hell right now....

[keynote]

Pardon the language:

[BigA]

He's not so articulate. I don't think he meant "hey, I'm rich, and all those losers have to go back to their sucky little lives."

I think that's exactly what he meant to say.

[Donkey McDonkerton]

I disagree with the hate going over the top. He's asked for it, Wizards fans have hated this guy for a few years now, before hating Lebron became cool. I hope he goes down as one of those great players who never wins a ring.

Agree, F Lebron...im not going to stop hating on him, and hopefully he goes ring-less his entire career.....with wade, Bosh and any other douche-rider that wants to go along for the ride. They created this monster, deal with it.

Oh now everyone is hating so we should stop? NO, F THAT...WE WIZARDS FANS STARTED THIS ****.

say it with me **** THAT ****

[CaPtaiN eYeSaNo]

I will never stop hating Lebron and everything he stands for.

I'm gonna have to pull a 'Weird-Al' with a 2Pac's 'Hit 'em Up


Well this is how we gonna' do this:
F Lebron James,
F Wade,
F the Heat as a team, staff, and mother f'n fans.
And if you want to be down with Lebron,
Then F you man!
Juwan Howard, F you too.
All you mother F'rs,
F you too.
(take losses, take losses)
All of y'all mother F'rs,
F you, no ring gettin' bitches!

[doclinkin]

If over the top is where it needs to go, over the top is where it's going. I don't wish him any disease worse than herpes, I don't think he should be run over by a bus full of elementary school kids or nothing.

But in a basketball sense this sort of thing satisfies me inordinately. This is the cat who refused to shake hands when eliminated because he's "a winner". The crab dribbler. The sack of snot who rubs his greasy man-hands on Gilbert's chest at the foul line without earning a technical foul. The discarded condom of a waste who thinks he's entitled to extra steps at the end of basketball games and acts aghast when refs actually tweet him for it. The anal crust who checks his lip for blood when you bump his thigh. The dxck who gets retroactive technical fouls days later after video shows him elbowchecking our guys in the throat, meanwhile at the other end our Lithuanian is ejected for being fouled by LeBron when LeBron pulled a reverse "stop hitting yourself".

In a basketball sense I want him to have his nose rubbed in it like a dog who made his mess in the house-- actually no, that's bad dog training, so just the LeBron version, leave them innocent dogs out of it. In a basketball sense it offends my dignity when he holds a championship celebration before the season ever starts, talking about how he's gonna win "not one, not two, not three, not four, not five, not six, not seven..."

At that point I'm happy to interrupt him at "not one" and say, 'yeah you can stop right there buddy...'

LeBron is a supremely talented player, not since Wilt Chamberlain has there been a player more ideally constructed for playing this game. He was anointed at birth with innate gifts that lesser men cannot even aspire to. Sadly he behaves as though this genetic assay were earned, as though he did god a personal favor to be born this way. And yet it seems he's secretly scared, not quite self-aware but suspicious of the idea that deep down inside he's a bit of a fraud, that he knows he lacks the strength of character to overcome adversity because quite frankly he's never had to battle it.

In that sense, as a basketball fan of a perennially hapless team of (at best) scrappy underdogs, his behavior is an affront to me. He's the anti Chris Whitney, playing on two sprained ankles (one a partially torn ligament IIRC) on a team with no chance of winning simply because he owed it himself, to his teammates, to his overmatched coach, to us chumps in the stands to earn every digit on his paycheck, and nobody else was willing to step up despite sometime all-star status (sinceHot Dog Rod sat the bench with a pulled vagina or whatever).

LeBron is rich kid and bully all rolled into one. And it satisfies me to see his 'global icon' blimp draw ack-ack fire and plummet in firey doom. Global Icon, he floated that one before he ever picked up a ball in this league. When you compare and contrast with hard luck stories like Juan Dixon, when I see basketball lifers like Khalid El-Amin never get a toehold in the league still loving the game and running his squad in Eastern Bloc leagues, then I derive nothing but satisfaction from LeBron's sour feelings that he hasn't yet found a star big enough to hide behind. That the bully gets cracked in the teeth and put in his place for a minute or two, having to think more carefully about what fights he picks and who he's been disrespecting.

I'm happy to go back to my little life, struggling to pay bills and making kids happy and worrying about the future, still satisfied that for today at least there is a metaphor of justice, an icon for those who have to work for a living, a sense that sometimes selflessness and teamwork and perseverance and sportsmanship pay off, and that at least occasionally there is something like justice. It could only be better if it were my squad who put him in his place, but if for now I get a surrogate squad, then I'm fine with that. It satisfies my happy that DeShawn Lunatic Stephenson is the cat with the championship resume while LeBj slinks home to his millions and his excuses, wondering how that just happened.

I just wish it were Gilbert with that ring. And us with the parade. Other than that I'm good.

[hands11]

I'm with fish -- "hating" Lebron has gone over the top. I rooted against him and Miami this series, but he's not Satan. (I don't think.)

What I've found truly amusing are the attempts to critique his "one-dimensional" game. Lebron's "no plan B" game looked awesome until the Finals. What, he suddenly forgot how to play in the 4th quarter after the Heat eliminated Chicago?

Legler was on the radio saying Lebron's "flaw" is that he has no mid-range game. According to Legler, "everything" Lebron does is at the rim or the 3pt line. Except, if you look at the shot distance stats, 37% of his FGA this season were from that mid-range -- 10-23 feet. He shot 44.6% combined, which is good.

My pop psychology analysis is that he didn't seem to play with abandon in the Finals. Play sports long enough and eventually you'll run into the personality I think he may have. The guy wants to win, but he's basically a front runner. When things go wrong, he doesn't dig in and play with desperation -- he sorta shuts down. Doesn't quite go all out. Maybe it's a kind of defense mechanism, I dunno. But I've seen it a few times. I might not be describing it very well. He's not the guy who when things aren't going well will just clobber an opponent to get the team fired up.

My point is that I don't think his game has a fatal flaw. It may be that he has some personal issues to work out before he plays with the necessary whatever to win a championship.

Or, it could just be that Dallas had a better team this June.

Tell Magic Johnson. He was poking holes in his game both skill and mental. Said the same thing happen to him after he had a poor finals. Said he needs to watch the film over and over and learn to play off the ball better.

[montestewart]

If over the top is where it needs to go, over the top is where it's going. I don't wish him any disease worse than herpes, I don't think he should be run over by a bus full of elementary school kids or nothing.

But in a basketball sense this sort of thing satisfies me inordinately. This is the cat who refused to shake hands when eliminated because he's "a winner". The crab dribbler. The sack of snot who rubs his greasy man-hands on Gilbert's chest at the foul line without earning a technical foul. The discarded condom of a waste who thinks he's entitled to extra steps at the end of basketball games and acts aghast when refs actually tweet him for it. The anal crust who checks his lip for blood when you bump his thigh. The dxck who gets retroactive technical fouls days later after video shows him elbowchecking our guys in the throat, meanwhile at the other end our Lithuanian is ejected for being fouled by LeBron when LeBron pulled a reverse "stop hitting yourself".

In a basketball sense I want him to have his nose rubbed in it like a dog who made his mess in the house-- actually no, that's bad dog training, so just the LeBron version, leave them innocent dogs out of it. In a basketball sense it offends my dignity when he holds a championship celebration before the season ever starts, talking about how he's gonna win "not one, not two, not three, not four, not five, not six, not seven..."

At that point I'm happy to interrupt him at "not one" and say, 'yeah you can stop right there buddy...'

LeBron is a supremely talented player, not since Wilt Chamberlain has there been a player more ideally constructed for playing this game. He was anointed at birth with innate gifts that lesser men cannot even aspire to. Sadly he behaves as though this genetic assay were earned, as though he did god a personal favor to be born this way. And yet it seems he's secretly scared, not quite self-aware but suspicious of the idea that deep down inside he's a bit of a fraud, that he knows he lacks the strength of character to overcome adversity because quite frankly he's never had to battle it.

In that sense, as a basketball fan of a perennially hapless team of (at best) scrappy underdogs, his behavior is an affront to me. He's the anti Chris Whitney, playing on two sprained ankles (one a partially torn ligament IIRC) on a team with no chance of winning simply because he owed it himself, to his teammates, to his overmatched coach, to us chumps in the stands to earn every digit on his paycheck, and nobody else was willing to step up despite sometime all-star status (sinceHot Dog Rod sat the bench with a pulled vagina or whatever).

LeBron is rich kid and bully all rolled into one. And it satisfies me to see his 'global icon' blimp draw ack-ack fire and plummet in firey doom. Global Icon, he floated that one before he ever picked up a ball in this league. When you compare and contrast with hard luck stories like Juan Dixon, when I see basketball lifers like Khalid El-Amin never get a toehold in the league still loving the game and running his squad in Eastern Bloc leagues, then I derive nothing but satisfaction from LeBron's sour feelings that he hasn't yet found a star big enough to hide behind. That the bully gets cracked in the teeth and put in his place for a minute or two, having to think more carefully about what fights he picks and who he's been disrespecting.

I'm happy to go back to my little life, struggling to pay bills and making kids happy and worrying about the future, still satisfied that for today at least there is a metaphor of justice, an icon for those who have to work for a living, a sense that sometimes selflessness and teamwork and perseverance and sportsmanship pay off, and that at least occasionally there is something like justice. It could only be better if it were my squad who put him in his place, but if for now I get a surrogate squad, then I'm fine with that. It satisfies my happy that DeShawn Lunatic Stephenson is the cat with the championship resume while LeBj slinks home to his millions and his excuses, wondering how that just happened.

I just wish it were Gilbert with that ring. And us with the parade. Other than that I'm good.

beautiful

[BigA]

<snip>I don't wish him any disease worse than herpes...<snip>

Though, to be clear, I certainly DO wish him herpes.

I put doclinkin's full Manifesto in the HOF.