2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II

[lolwut]

Jose Calderon

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Jose Calderon jersey

[tmoney34]

I had a dream last night that I was watching The Score and the ticker said ...

"Bryan Colangelo confirms he will make offer to free agent C DeAndre Jordan"

Like the saying goes, "One Can Dream"

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Raptors trades:
Jerryd Bayless
Jose Calderon
TPE

Philly trades:
Andre Iggy
A. Daniels (6.6M/1 year contract)

This way we can draft a PG (Knight, Irving, Kemba... One will be available), keep financial flexibility while freeing up their books, and acquire an all star level SF/SG. For everybody saying he struggles at SF, he actually scores a higher eFG% and commits the least turnovers at the SF position. And for defense, he holds his man to the lowest eFG% at SF, and keeps his man down to 10.2 PER. (Compared to his own 18.5)

I don't see why people aren't higher on Iggy. He changes the game, +5.4 points per 100 possessions more for us, 4.9 of those being saved on the defensive end. Our current SF is +1.6.

[bboyskinnylegs]

Raptors trades:
Jerryd Bayless
Jose Calderon
TPE

Philly trades:
Andre Iggy
A. Daniels (6.6M/1 year contract)

This way we can draft a PG (Knight, Irving, Kemba... One will be available), keep financial flexibility while freeing up their books, and acquire an all star level SF/SG. For everybody saying he struggles at SF, he actually scores a higher eFG% and commits the least turnovers at the SF position. And for defense, he holds his man to the lowest eFG% at SF, and keeps his man down to 10.2 PER. (Compared to his own 18.5)

I don't see why people aren't higher on Iggy. He changes the game, +5.4 points per 100 possessions more for us, 4.9 of those being saved on the defensive end. Our current SF is +1.6.

they don't want or need Jose/Bayless...and there's no way I'd ship out Bayless just to bring in a rookie PG in Knight/Walker that may not even be as good as him (because Irving definitely won't be there), as our only real longterm option at PG.

[Cool-Hand-Luke]

To TOR: Andre Miller* + Marvin Williams + Zaza Pachulia
To ATL: Jose Calderon + Andrea Bargnani + Linas Klezia
To POR: Kirk Hinrich

* MIller unguaranteed before June 30th, deal would have to happen before that time. He would be waived giving instant cap space.

we clear cap space to get a defensive C and grab Williams who will put up better numbers in our system. Im assuming we draft Knight/Walker. Save 10 + million in cap space.

ATL changes it up and sees if this would work.

POR gets an upgrade at PG and Miller can return once waived (those wink wink kinda deals)

Knight / Bayless
Derozan / Barbosa
Williams / Johnson
Davis / Amir
Jordan (FA) / Pachulia

* Jordan, Oden, Dalembert would be the realistic options available IMO. Chandler/Gasol/Nene arent really IMO because of their teams direction. Jordan will be hard to get butits possible with a hard cap.

No thanks. Bargnani gets us more than that.

[flatjacket1]

they don't want or need Jose/Bayless...and there's no way I'd ship out Bayless just to bring in a rookie PG in Knight/Walker that may not even be as good as him (because Irving definitely won't be there), as our only real longterm option at PG.

It would mainly be a financial deal for them. They would get pieces which they could ship back out or maybe hold onto.

Why is everybody convinced Bayless is our savior? The kid just finished his 3rd inconsistent season and can't play ball unless he starts. We shouldn't draft by position this year, and chances are we are taking either Kemba or Knight. Both are capable guards. Either we can have 3 PG's or 1.

[bboyskinnylegs]

they don't want or need Jose/Bayless...and there's no way I'd ship out Bayless just to bring in a rookie PG in Knight/Walker that may not even be as good as him (because Irving definitely won't be there), as our only real longterm option at PG.

It would mainly be a financial deal for them. They would get pieces which they could ship back out or maybe hold onto.

Why is everybody convinced Bayless is our savior? The kid just finished his 3rd inconsistent season and can't play ball unless he starts. We shouldn't draft by position this year, and chances are we are taking either Kemba or Knight. Both are capable guards. Either we can have 3 PG's or 1.

If we do draft a PG, then ideally I would want two PGs on our roster--Bayless and Knight/Walker, with Jose being shipped out either for a bit of salary relief (crappy players on smaller contracts, which would increase our capspace), or perhaps for some sort of asset (late picks, maybe a younger player we could try out, or even just an equally bad contract at another position of need--C? SF?).

Both will actually get a much better opportunity to play meaningful minutes if Jose is shipped out, and they can actually fight for the spot instead of being Jose's de facto backup. There's no guarantees with either Knight/Walker, but at least we know that Bayless has performed well for us.

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Either way the centerpiece of the deal is Andre Iggy, and I would give up Bayless for him.

[Salted Meat]

Either way the centerpiece of the deal is Andre Iggy, and I would give up Bayless for him.

The names currently being thrown around in exchange for Iguodala are Monta Ellis, and Chris Kaman.

You're offering Jerryd Bayless, a player who, in your own words "just finished his 3rd inconsistent season and can't play ball unless he starts".

Please remind me why Philly would do this? Clearly it's not so they can also take on Calderon's remaining 2 years when they already have their starting PG in Holiday.

[flatjacket1]

Either way the centerpiece of the deal is Andre Iggy, and I would give up Bayless for him.

The names currently being thrown around in exchange for Iguodala are Monta Ellis, and Chris Kaman.

You're offering Jerryd Bayless, a player who, in your own words "just finished his 3rd inconsistent season and can't play ball unless he starts".

Please remind me why Philly would do this? Clearly it's not so they can also take on Calderon's remaining 2 years when they already have their starting PG in Holiday.

Yes, all large contracts and give little to no financial incentive. We would send a prime 6th man of the year candidate in Calderon, a young prospect (Who hasn't shown anything really "good" as of yet.) and 6.6M cash (The dude they're paying 6.6M is a joke). I don't see why this would be a bad trade for them. Another possibility would be to swap Andrea for Brand (Underrated but over payed player) and Calderon + Barbosa (If he accepts) for Iggy.

All I'm saying is there is an undervalued star who happens to be a defensive juggernaut at a position that we lack out there and we should look at different trade scenarios to get him. Any position that we trade away, we can draft with our pick. Hell even include the pick with Calderon and do a straight up deal for him. The owners have made it clear that they are looking to cut cost by offering the 2nd overall pick (which turned into Evan Turner) to whichever team would take on Brands contract last year.

Its a prime opportunity to make SOMETHING happen and give us something to talk about. I know the chances of such a deal are next to none but its better than talking about the next Marcus Banks level trade.

[bboyskinnylegs]

^^ are you talking about Andres Nocioni? Because Antonio Daniels was only on a minimum salary with the Sixers this year, and that contract is up. Andres does have a 6.6 million salary... but he's essentially an expiring (the Sixers just have to decline his team option), in which case once again you're not giving the Sixers anywhere near enough value to do this.

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^^ are you talking about Andres Nocioni? Because Antonio Daniels was only on a minimum salary with the Sixers this year, and that contract is up. Andres does have a 6.6 million salary... but he's essentially an expiring (the Sixers just have to decline his team option), in which case once again you're not giving the Sixers anywhere near enough value to do this.

If thats the case then it doesn't work but I would have taken Elton Brand off their hands to get Andre last year and I would still do that this year.

We would have to bring in a 3rd team then and I'm not even going to bother trying to come up with some complex deal that won't happen. All I know is if we keep Derozan and acquire Andre we instantly teleport to being a 40 win team.

I went back through and added the difference between JJ and Andre and found that we would have been +311.6 points over the course of the season if we gave up nothing/acquired a player who could fill the roles of the players we traded.

[Gold Dragon]

Por gets #5 (Walker) + Bargnani (9.2) + Barbosa (7.6) + Kleiza (4.6) + Alabi (0.8)
Tor gets Oden (8.8) + Matthews (6.1) + Batum (2.1) + 2012 1st unprotected

Bargnani/Camby/Alabi
Aldridge/Babbitt
Wallace/Kleiza
Roy/Barbosa/Williams
Walker/Miller/Mills

Min gets Calderon
Tor gets Flynn, Pekovic

Resign Dorsey, Weems

Oden/Pekovic
Ed Davis/Amir/Dorsey
Batum/JJohnson
DD/Matthews/Weems
Bayless/Flynn

[witnessraps]

That Portland trade seems too good to be true...I doubt we'll be able to net all that PLUS 2012 unprotected

[Cool-Hand-Luke]

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/16/report-cavaliers-shopping-j-j-hickson-too/

Cavaliers shopping Hickson

At this point, there is no move the Cavaliers can make that would surprise me. Because, at this point — the absolute nadir of a rebuilding process — what player on that roster do you have to keep?

Now J.J. Hickson, he is being shopped around according to a tweet from the well-connected Brian Windhorst of ESPN.

2 players you can talk to Cavs about now: Ramon Sessions & JJ Hickson. Andy Varejao not available for just a draft pick.

We have known Sessions has been on the market for a while, and you can bet at some point a deal for him will happen (whether that is before the draft is hard to say).

If they really are willing to move Anderson Varejao there may be interest from contenders, he is a guy who can come in and do the dirty work for them. But with Varejao having at least three more years and $27 million owed him (he can be bought out of the last year of his deal) teams will want to see the new Collective Bargaining Agreement before taking on that salary.

Still, look for the Cavaliers to be active with trades. They need to be. They need to do a lot of things.

[bboyskinnylegs]

^^ don't want him here, but I think that could mean that they're hoping to land Kanter and play him at PF.

[Cool-Hand-Luke]

how would you rank Hickson, Amir and Ed?

[bboyskinnylegs]

how would you rank Hickson, Amir and Ed?

1. Ed (22 years old, 58.3 TS%, 15.8PER, 17.1% total rebound percentage, 3.2% block percentage, 120 ORtg, 110 DRtg)

2. Amir (24 years old, 60.8 TS%, 17.6PER, 14.7% total rebound percentage, 3.6% block percentage, 124 ORtg, 110 DRtg)

3. Hickson (22--almost 23 years old, 50.3 TS%, 15.6PER, 17.7% total rebound percentage, 1.8% block percentage, 98 ORtg, 109 DRtg)

[witnessraps]

how would you rank Hickson, Amir and Ed?

Ed is not better than Amir yet, but I project he will be.

1. Ed
2. Amir
3. Hickson

I wouldn't get rid of either Ed or Amir just to make room for Hickson.

[Cool-Hand-Luke]

That makes sense. I did consider Hickson to be quite good in his second year. His usage rate has gone up and his advanced stats have taken a fall.