Lather me with blather -- DRAFT thread 4

[Wizardspride]

TheHoopsReport Ryan Feldman
A source at the Jazz workout today said Jimmer Fredette was the best player there and that Kemba Walker had trouble guarding him. The source also said that Fredette shot the ball really well and Walker didn't shoot well at all.

Hopefully this adds fuel to the fire and they are more inclined to trade from 3 to 6, scooping the Jimmer before Sactown can get him at 7.

They can't just take him at 3........... can they?

They better take him at 3 'cause he won't be there at 12.

[theboomking]

Apparently Williams was very good in his workout for the Cavs. This would make sense given the recent news that the Cavs would consider him at #1 overall.

* Payne posted the following to his Twitter account Tuesday: "Had a good workout with Cavs this morning, me and (Derrick Williams) were killin' it." To which Williams simply responded, "Yessir!"

* While Derrick Williams did look good during his Cavs workout, most insiders still have the Cavs selecting Duke guard Kyrie Irving with the first pick.

http://www.foxsportsohio.com/06/15/11/N ... eedID=3724

Williams isn't working out for us is he?

[NbdyBeatsTheWiz]

TheHoopsReport Ryan Feldman
A source at the Jazz workout today said Jimmer Fredette was the best player there and that Kemba Walker had trouble guarding him. The source also said that Fredette shot the ball really well and Walker didn't shoot well at all.

Hopefully this adds fuel to the fire and they are more inclined to trade from 3 to 6, scooping the Jimmer before Sactown can get him at 7.

They can't just take him at 3........... can they?

They better take him at 3 'cause he won't be there at 12.

But he would be there from 4 to 7 (Sacto reportedly is high on him). Like oh, say, pick 6?
And there you have my point.

[BruceO]

I hope i'm not rehashing stuff. From dc bog

2) Saunders compared this year’s draft to the 1995 version, when he said Joe Smith, Antonio McDyess, Jerry Stackhouse and Rasheed Wallace were the consensus top four, and nobody wanted pick No. 5. That’s where the Timberwolves got Kevin Garnett.

“It depends what you want,” Saunders said. “I think that we’ll end up with a very good player at No. 6 that will fit in our rotation. We’re looking for guys that have the ability to get out and run with John...high-motor guys, defensive-oriented guys. And I think we’ll get someone really good at 6. There are five or 6 guys we’re looking at at 18, and [we’ll get] somebody good at 34. We feel pretty good where we’re at with the draft, with cap flexibility. We feel like we’re ready to make a big jump next year.

i think high motor and defense oriented leads me to kawhi or jan vesely. I wonder if saunders is insinuating that there's a player who's not a lock top four that will be the garnett of this draft. Garnett like impact or that sort of player. More and more I'm leaning towards it being most likely jan vesely to be our pick. but i'll let you guys draw your own opinion.

which player do you think matches what flips description was? It seems like the qualities they are looking for are reasonable and fit in with what we want to do so it's most likely not a throw off. Enes doesn't seem to match the qualities for defense and running but from his fitness test he did last a while on that treadmill test. so who knows.

[Hoopalotta]

We're making the rounds:

* The Wolves are still floating the selection, but seem to be asking too much for it. That could change on draft night. They could also select Kanter, which would mess up just about everyone's board.

* Nor are the Wolves alone in seeing what they can get for their lottery pick. The Cavs are keeping No. 1, but have had conversations about No. 4. Utah has done the same with No. 3.

* One team desperately trying to move up is Washington. The Wizards own the sixth pick and would love to land No. 2, with which they would draft Williams to team him with guard John Wall.

http://www.foxsportsohio.com/06/15/11/N ... eedID=3724

I don't like the sounds of "desperately trying to move up" but that's probably something we just put down to the flighty nature of the hydra-headed Rumor Bitch.

Edit to add -->

RT @chrislittmann: Few things of note in DX Yahoo! mock: Says NY, CHA, IND, HOU active trying to move up. MIN, CHI shopping late 1st picks.

You'd think some of those move-uppers would be talking with us.

[Jay81]

Ford came out with his tier groups. No one in Tier 1, Williams in and Irving in Tier 2.

who cares about Chad Ford. Dat told us this months ago

[queridiculo]

McGee + no. 6 for Wes Johnson + no. 2.

Deal?

[Illuminaire]

Only on draft day, and only if the Cavs take Irving.

[leswizards]

Option 5 - Utah trades us #3 & #12 for #6 & #18.



Everbody wins!

Well, maybe not "everybody", but close enough from my perspective.

Why would Utah do that? Have you left something out of the trade?

[leswizards]

http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/05/18/consensus.mock.draft/index.html

I have not read the whole thread, so I apologize if this has already been posted. The consensus among mock drafts are the Wizards will be faced with Kemba Walker being the best player available when they draft at 6 and have the option of trading the pick or taking Vesely who is the consensus 2nd best available player at that point. I pray they trade the pick.

[jivelikenice]

McGee + no. 6 for Wes Johnson + no. 2.

Deal?

Wes Johnson won't be included in any deal IMO. If its McGee plus the 6th we better get something good back IMO....

[WizarDynasty]

Vesely is the best perimeter defender in this draft. He is head and shoulders a better defender than the top 5 consensus draft picks in this draft.
He is a mistake erasor on the perimeter and has tremendous mismatch potential offensively. No other person in this draft can be considered a mistake erasor for their position and has mismatch potential at their defined position offensive upside.

having those two traits is what pushes a team in elite status.

Vesely is a much better longterm fit next to john Wall than Derrick Williams. John Wall probably doesn't even know it but EG does.

[GhostsOfGil]

"chat with chad" had a lot of questions to answer about the wiz today. mostly stuff we already knew but these are his thoughts.

chad ford on the wiz:
I think Derrick Williams is the target. Though I've heard they also are big Kanter fans. Is JaVale McGee worth that to them? He's a knucklehead, but he'd probably be ranked very, very high in this draft too.

If they stay at 6 ... Kanter, Vesely and Kawhi Leonard are the favorites. But there are two dark horses here as well: Klay Thompson and Tristan Thompson. I'm told both are seriously in the mix in Washington. The Wizards had eyed Klay at No. 18 before his stock went through the roof at workouts. They'd really like another shooter in the backcourt with Wall.

Cavs are looking at potential deals using the No. 4 pick and either Baron Davis or Ramon Sessions. Jazz looking for deals. Would be open to discussing Paul Milsap or Devin Harris. Wizards looking to add talent around John Wall.

chad ford on possible twolves trades:
"Hoping a trade comes along ... they've been playing it cool. Not initiating any trade talk. Keeping up the public face that they're keeping the pick. But I think they'll move it if they get the right pieces. They have a lot of interest in the Lakers' Pau Gasol. Also might bite if Wizards offer JaVale McGee. They want long, athletic players to run the floor with Rubio."

[Dat2U]

Why do I get Jarvis Hayes type vibes about Klay Thompson? Just not a big fan of his. His performance always seemed to slack off versus tougher comp, especially in Pac 10 play. Didn't he have a marijuana possession charge DURING the season? If we draft him at 6 I'd throw one hell of a hissy fit.

However the fact we are looking at SGs may say something about Nick Young's future in DC.

Wow, just thinking about it, I've been real negative on most of the players in this draft. I'm not sure if it's because I can always find something negative to say or if this draft class really as bad as I think it might be.

[Dat2U]

McGee + no. 6 for Wes Johnson + no. 2.

Deal?

Wes Johnson won't be included in any deal IMO. If its McGee plus the 6th we better get something good back IMO....

I would be a lot more interested in Wes Johnson the prospect and potential high lottery pick than I would be about Wes Johnson the player the looked all out of sorts his rookie year. Suffice it to say, I wasn't impressed when watching him, although playing out of position most of the time at SG might have something to do with that.

I'm loathe to give up McGee. With young talented bigs... especially those with all-star potential, patience is a virtue. Williams might be the better player, McGee, because of position is the more important player.

[badinage]

Here's something I've always wondered:

Why can't teams work out draftees with their full complement of players? In other words, and in our case -- have a Tristan Thompson, say, run 5-on-5 with starters and backups. It'd sure give a team a good sense of who can and cannot play.

I'm guessing it's against the NBA rules--?

But if it is, why is it a rule in the first place?

[closg00]

"chat with chad" had a lot of questions to answer about the wiz today. mostly stuff we already knew but these are his thoughts.

chad ford on the wiz:
I think Derrick Williams is the target. Though I've heard they also are big Kanter fans. Is JaVale McGee worth that to them? He's a knucklehead, but he'd probably be ranked very, very high in this draft too.

If they stay at 6 ... Kanter, Vesely and Kawhi Leonard are the favorites. But there are two dark horses here as well: Klay Thompson and Tristan Thompson. I'm told both are seriously in the mix in Washington. The Wizards had eyed Klay at No. 18 before his stock went through the roof at workouts. They'd really like another shooter in the backcourt with Wall.

Cavs are looking at potential deals using the No. 4 pick and either Baron Davis or Ramon Sessions. Jazz looking for deals. Would be open to discussing Paul Milsap or Devin Harris. Wizards looking to add talent around John Wall.

chad ford on possible twolves trades:
"Hoping a trade comes along ... they've been playing it cool. Not initiating any trade talk. Keeping up the public face that they're keeping the pick. But I think they'll move it if they get the right pieces. They have a lot of interest in the Lakers' Pau Gasol. Also might bite if Wizards offer JaVale McGee. They want long, athletic players to run the floor with Rubio."

Glad the leaking as expanded beyond Vesely and Leonard as non-Kanter draft possibilities. Next Thursday is really going to be pick-by-pick watching.

[NbdyBeatsTheWiz]

"chat with chad" had a lot of questions to answer about the wiz today. mostly stuff we already knew but these are his thoughts.

chad ford on the wiz:
I think Derrick Williams is the target. Though I've heard they also are big Kanter fans. Is JaVale McGee worth that to them? He's a knucklehead, but he'd probably be ranked very, very high in this draft too.

If they stay at 6 ... Kanter, Vesely and Kawhi Leonard are the favorites. But there are two dark horses here as well: Klay Thompson and Tristan Thompson. I'm told both are seriously in the mix in Washington. The Wizards had eyed Klay at No. 18 before his stock went through the roof at workouts. They'd really like another shooter in the backcourt with Wall.

Cavs are looking at potential deals using the No. 4 pick and either Baron Davis or Ramon Sessions. Jazz looking for deals. Would be open to discussing Paul Milsap or Devin Harris. Wizards looking to add talent around John Wall.

chad ford on possible twolves trades:
"Hoping a trade comes along ... they've been playing it cool. Not initiating any trade talk. Keeping up the public face that they're keeping the pick. But I think they'll move it if they get the right pieces. They have a lot of interest in the Lakers' Pau Gasol. Also might bite if Wizards offer JaVale McGee. They want long, athletic players to run the floor with Rubio."

What's the interest in Pau Gasol? Sure he's a fellow Spaniard, but he's also about to be 32. He will be well out of his prime by the time the Wolves start making any kinds of stride as a team.

Wonder how Millsap/3 for McGee/6 would be viewed by Utah's decision makers.

[LyricalRico]

Wonder how Millsap/3 for McGee/6 would be viewed by Utah's decision makers.

As hilarious, probably.

[thinker07]

Why do I get Jarvis Hayes type vibes about Klay Thompson? Just not a big fan of his. His performance always seemed to slack off versus tougher comp, especially in Pac 10 play. Didn't he have a marijuana possession charge DURING the season? If we draft him at 6 I'd throw one hell of a hissy fit.

However the fact we are looking at SGs may say something about Nick Young's future in DC.

Wow, just thinking about it, I've been real negative on most of the players in this draft. I'm not sure if it's because I can always find something negative to say or if this draft class really as bad as I think it might be.

I don't think drafting Thompson would alter any of our plans for resigning NY. Having another wing for JW is the key. We saw that NY's knee couldn't necessarily hold up with the major minutes we were playing him last year so Thompson could be a great fit as the first guard off the bench. We also saw that we could go with a smaller lineup with NY at SF which would mean we could have Thompson in the lineup along with NY at the same time for stretches.