Lather me with blather -- DRAFT thread 4

[theboomking]

Lacking a center means what exactly though? I mean...we're not a good team. Lacking a center is irrelevant because we're not a team capable of winning right now. Its strictly a matter of feeling that a potential franchise player is worth more than what McGee + picks could offer. I feel strongly that that's the case.

it means we'll stay a bad team. it takes years to groom a decent C. chandler's been in the league 9 years already. unless you're hoping we luck out with a top 3 pick for the next 10 years hoping for that once-in-a-generation talent like Howard or Shaq, giving up on McGee now means we'll be center-less like the Raps for 75% of John Wall's career.

in short, i think giving up McGee for no C in return will mire us in mediocrity for the next decade.

That's nuts. JaVale is not irreplaceable. This year, Marc Gasol may be available, and Tyson Chandler and Nene are available in FA. You don't think if we had Wall and Williams that players of that caliber would consider signing here? In the last year, both Kendrick Perkins and Tyson Chandler have changed teams without an extraordinary cost to the team signing them.

I'm not saying we definitely need to trade JaVale for Williams. I'm not a scout. I am saying that if EG thinks Williams will be the better pro, and could be a multi-year all star, he should pull the trigger.

Also, I saw on another board that Jordan Hamilton is going to come in for a second workout. We must be strongly considering him at 18.

Edit:
I was just watching some Vesely highlight videos. I am still not in favor of drafting him, but damn! Jan can get up! Check out the below video at the 2:06 mark. Vesely looks like his head is well over the rim, and he almost looks high enough to touch the top of the backboard. You don't see a lot of dunks where the entire ball is over the box. Also, unlike a lot of dunk highlights, Vesely looks like he really excels at dunking through contact and in traffic.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a9zhY-3ZKM[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a9zhY-3ZKM

[doclinkin]

Edit:
I was just watching some Vesely highlight videos. I am still not in favor of drafting him, but damn! Jan can get up! Check out the below video at the 2:06 mark. Vesely looks like his head is well over the rim, and he almost looks high enough to touch the top of the backboard. You don't see a lot of dunks where the entire ball is over the box.

3:55 is pretty impressive too. I guess we can take the Wiz at their word when they say they think they'll be happy with whatever player at 6, if it turns out they can't trade up. Jan does look like he'd run well next to Wall, though we still need rebounders and he still needs a jumper and a sandwich or some creatine.

I do like that he plays heavy minutes on a winning squad. And I like his passion, kid clearly loves to compete. So I'll shrug and give the benefit of the doubt if he's the pick.

[JonathanJoseph]

Lacking a center means what exactly though? I mean...we're not a good team. Lacking a center is irrelevant because we're not a team capable of winning right now. Its strictly a matter of feeling that a potential franchise player is worth more than what McGee + picks could offer. I feel strongly that that's the case.

it means we'll stay a bad team. it takes years to groom a decent C. chandler's been in the league 9 years already. unless you're hoping we luck out with a top 3 pick for the next 10 years hoping for that once-in-a-generation talent like Howard or Shaq, giving up on McGee now means we'll be center-less like the Raps for 75% of John Wall's career.

in short, i think giving up McGee for no C in return will mire us in mediocrity for the next decade.

This.

If you told me we were going to come out of the draft with a center who Coach K would immediately put in the Team USA program AND a top 10 pick I'd be ecstatic.

When you take that perspective and compare it to coming out of the draft with one SF/PF who may be very good but we're not even sure what position he plays, it again seems like an absolute no brainer.

You just don't go trading top notch young center prospects for draft picks. Derrick Williams would have been available at #6 last year. Draft-time silly season continues.

One thing I've noticed is that rumors about who the Wizards are interested in are all over the board. Vesley, Kanter, Williams, Leonard and others. One thing EG is certainly good at is draft time poker.

[hands11]

Van does look like the white James Worthy on those breaks.

Think about it. That was pretty much a Worthy highlight reel. Jan must have some big hands.

Could you imagine Wall running with McGee on one wing and Jan on the other.

Need a spot up long ball shooter to go along with that. Just park in the corning and sit and wait for the open three. Is that Harper ?

Anyone remember a skinny goal tending everything player of the past called Ewing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxBMwNqGIFs

wow, what a game this was. MJ and Worthy on the same team.

[JonathanJoseph]

That's nuts. JaVale is not irreplaceable. This year, Marc Gasol may be available, and Tyson Chandler and Nene are available in FA. You don't think if we had Wall and Williams that players of that caliber would consider signing here? In the last year, both Kendrick Perkins and Tyson Chandler have changed teams without an extraordinary cost to the team signing them.

I'm not saying we definitely need to trade JaVale for Williams. I'm not a scout. I am saying that if EG thinks Williams will be the better pro, and could be a multi-year all star, he should pull the trigger.

Also, I saw on another board that Jordan Hamilton is going to come in for a second workout. We must be strongly considering him at 18.

Well I think this is nuts. Just to make sure you realize what we are talking about here:

Marc Gasol 26 years old: 11.7 pts, 7.0 rebs, 1.7 Blk, 16.88 PER, $3.4M salary (obviously getting a raise)
Nene 28 years old: 14.5 pts, 7.6 rebs, 1.0 blk, 20.49 PER, $11.3M
Tyson Chandler 28 years old: 10.1 pts, 9.4 rebs, 1.1 blks, 18.45 PER, $12.75M
Kendrick Perkins 26 years old: 5.1 pts, 7.9 rebs, .9 blks, 9.6 PER, $6.4M
Javale 23 years old: 10.1 pts, 8.0 rebs, 2.4 blks, 17.42 PER, $1.6M with $2.4M next season and a $3.4M qualifying offer in 12/13

edit: Tyson Chandler's season at 23 years old: 5.3 pts, 9.0 rebs, 1.3 blks, 12.2 PER

So I'll offer that up as what I believe to be the common sense that Javale McGee should be untouchable for the next two seasons if only as a cheap big body. Yet it's a cheap big body with unlimited upside

[Steely Reserve]

Why arent you talking more about Tristan Thompson @ #6? I have the Wiz taking him there on my personal mock:

1. Irving
2. Williams
3. Knight
4. Valanciunas
5. Walker
6. Thompson


As you can see I have Wash passing up Kanter mainly because Thompson is exactly what you need and can effectively play next to McGhee.

Tristan is the biggest sleeper in the draft outside Jonas. He's a tough but decently skilled big who loves to defend. Jew basically the anti-Blanche. I'm sure you all would appreciative that.

[Ed Wood]

Tristan is the biggest sleeper in the draft outside Jonas. He's a tough but decently skilled big who loves to defend. Jew basically the anti-Blanche. I'm sure you all would appreciative that.

Is that, uh, some sort of nickname for Tristan? I'm not saying I wouldn't appreciate it, but I'm not opposed to gentile players either.

[Hoopalotta]

Option 5 - Utah trades us #3 & #12 for #6 & #18.



Everbody wins!

Well, maybe not "everybody", but close enough from my perspective.

Why would Utah do that? Have you left something out of the trade?

OK, maybe we sweeten the pot:

Option 6 - Utah trades us #3, #12 & Golden State 2012 1st for #6 & #18.



Actually, the whole thing was just me screwing around.

[fishercob]

Edit:
I was just watching some Vesely highlight videos. I am still not in favor of drafting him, but damn! Jan can get up! Check out the below video at the 2:06 mark. Vesely looks like his head is well over the rim, and he almost looks high enough to touch the top of the backboard. You don't see a lot of dunks where the entire ball is over the box.

3:55 is pretty impressive too. I guess we can take the Wiz at their word when they say they think they'll be happy with whatever player at 6, if it turns out they can't trade up. Jan does look like he'd run well next to Wall, though we still need rebounders and he still needs a jumper and a sandwich or some creatine.

I do like that he plays heavy minutes on a winning squad. And I like his passion, kid clearly loves to compete. So I'll shrug and give the benefit of the doubt if he's the pick.

Good heavens the kid gets up. I mostly don't want us to pick him because I don't want to have to read whiny rants about him for the next-plus (exacerbated by the lockout and people not having games to talk about). He seems a lot more Marion-like than Leonard (who still reminds me more of Lu Deng). He'd have to make himself enough of an offensive threat to stay on the court -- improve his 3 ball and especially his foul shooting. But it appears he's a winner and a competitor. Isn't that what we're looking for?

[closg00]

Not all potential draftees are cancelling their workouts! Top European prospect Jan Vesely will work out on Sunday for the Washington Wizards, Utah Jazz, Cleveland Cavaliers, Toronto Raptors and Detroit Pistons.

What number do you think Jan will wear for the Wizards?
http://www.ridiculousupside.com/2011/6/ ... ias-harris

[GhostsOfGil]

Edit:
I was just watching some Vesely highlight videos. I am still not in favor of drafting him, but damn! Jan can get up! Check out the below video at the 2:06 mark. Vesely looks like his head is well over the rim, and he almost looks high enough to touch the top of the backboard. You don't see a lot of dunks where the entire ball is over the box.

3:55 is pretty impressive too. I guess we can take the Wiz at their word when they say they think they'll be happy with whatever player at 6, if it turns out they can't trade up. Jan does look like he'd run well next to Wall, though we still need rebounders and he still needs a jumper and a sandwich or some creatine.

I do like that he plays heavy minutes on a winning squad. And I like his passion, kid clearly loves to compete. So I'll shrug and give the benefit of the doubt if he's the pick.

+1 well put. ive heard a lot of bad things about the kid but i agree, he looks like another great running mate to pair with wall. does anyone know his natural position?

[jangles86]

Who would have the better offensive game out of these three?
-Mcgee
-Valaciunus
-Biyombo

Just asking in case we do trade mcgee for pick 2, and still have pick 6. We would do well to get a C with 6 I'm guessing.

[pancakes3]

Why arent you talking more about Tristan Thompson @ #6? I have the Wiz taking him there on my personal mock:

1. Irving
2. Williams
3. Knight
4. Valanciunas
5. Walker
6. Thompson


As you can see I have Wash passing up Kanter mainly because Thompson is exactly what you need and can effectively play next to McGhee.

Tristan is the biggest sleeper in the draft outside Jonas. He's a tough but decently skilled big who loves to defend. Jew basically the anti-Blanche. I'm sure you all would appreciative that.

semitism aside, a) we have a glut at PF between Blatche, Shard, Booker, and Seraphin. b) in your mock, Kanter, who's been discussed to death (as well as a consensus better prospect), will still be on board.

basically in all mocks, either Valenciunas or Kanter would be available, and we need to shore up our backup C position something awful, as well as our SF position. Yes, most of this board is going to draft off need and not BPA because the talent in this year's draft doesn't really warrant a BPA mentality, except for select scenarios where all the bigs are snapped up and kemba walker falls.

[Wizardspride]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wiz ... _blog.html

Wizards aren’t considering dealing JaVale McGee


The Minnesota Timberwolves may want JaVale McGee in any swap for the No. 2 overall pick, but the Wizards have no interest in moving the incredibly athletic, 7-foot-1 center, according to two sources with knowledge of the team’s thinking.

In recent weeks, both Jonathan Givony of Draft Express and ESPN.com’s Chad Ford have mentioned McGee as a player Minnesota covets. But while the Timberwolves have asked for him, dealing McGee isn’t considered an option for the Wizards in order to move into the top three in the June 23 NBA draft, the sources said. Trading McGee hasn’t even been discussed internally, according to the sources -- especially since many within the organization believe that the 23-year-old McGee would be deemed a top three-to-five pick if he were in the draft this year.


The Wizards may have interest in moving up to getting a desired player, but this draft -- with so many question marks from top to bottom -- isn’t the one that would convince the team to sacrifice McGee, a player that it has spent the past three years developing into a serviceable center in a league that is experiencing a dearth in talent at that position. With so much uncertainty atop the draft, the Wizards believe that a player that can help the team might very well be available at the sixth pick.

[7-Day Dray]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wizards-insider/post/wizards-arent-considering-dealing-javale-mcgee/2011/06/17/AGxB5hYH_blog.html

Wizards aren’t considering dealing JaVale McGee


The Minnesota Timberwolves may want JaVale McGee in any swap for the No. 2 overall pick, but the Wizards have no interest in moving the incredibly athletic, 7-foot-1 center, according to two sources with knowledge of the team’s thinking.

In recent weeks, both Jonathan Givony of Draft Express and ESPN.com’s Chad Ford have mentioned McGee as a player Minnesota covets. But while the Timberwolves have asked for him, dealing McGee isn’t considered an option for the Wizards in order to move into the top three in the June 23 NBA draft, the sources said. Trading McGee hasn’t even been discussed internally, according to the sources -- especially since many within the organization believe that the 23-year-old McGee would be deemed a top three-to-five pick if he were in the draft this year.


The Wizards may have interest in moving up to getting a desired player, but this draft -- with so many question marks from top to bottom -- isn’t the one that would convince the team to sacrifice McGee, a player that it has spent the past three years developing into a serviceable center in a league that is experiencing a dearth in talent at that position. With so much uncertainty atop the draft, the Wizards believe that a player that can help the team might very well be available at the sixth pick.

Good to hear.

[Hoopalotta]

I consider this to be good news as well.

[jivelikenice]

I consider this to be good news as well.

Ths is actually a relief. I've been back & forth on a 1 for 1 deal and began to convince myself it was ok, but creating one major hole to fill another isn't the right way to go. Considering how hard it is to find a decent center, the hole we'd be creating would be much more difficult to fill than the one we filled.

[TGW]

I would trade McGee for DWill straight up. Maybe add the #18 to do it. Adding the #6 was a terrible idea, and whoever made that rumor up needs to be shot.

[Ruzious]

3:55 is pretty impressive too. I guess we can take the Wiz at their word when they say they think they'll be happy with whatever player at 6, if it turns out they can't trade up. Jan does look like he'd run well next to Wall, though we still need rebounders and he still needs a jumper and a sandwich or some creatine.

I do like that he plays heavy minutes on a winning squad. And I like his passion, kid clearly loves to compete. So I'll shrug and give the benefit of the doubt if he's the pick.

+1 well put. ive heard a lot of bad things about the kid but i agree, he looks like another great running mate to pair with wall. does anyone know his natural position?

I'm shocked that the highlight video didn't show examples of his poor hands and weak inside play. Shocked I tell you. Show them in dramatic slow mo.

cough*JoeAlexander*cough*flippingburgers*cough*

[TGW]

Ruzious is right.

If Vesely had good strong hands, I'd be satisfied with him as the pick. I'm wary of guys who fumble the ball in traffic or who get stripped alot. Vesely is going to be that. He also rebounds like a point guard despite being 6 foot freaking 11. He makes Bargnani look like Rodman on the glass.

Honestly still don't see what this guy or Kawhi Leonard has on Marcus Morris. MM is a more complete player than both of them.