Lather me with blather -- DRAFT thread 4

[thinker07]

Maybe this is stating the obvious, but people seem to be leaving one crucial thing out when talking about trading McGee for the pick for Derrick Williams -- We would then need the #6 pick to grab another center. I don't see any fashion that we could get by with just Blatche and Seraphin as centers. So if you trade McGee, we have to be sure to get Kanter, JV, or even Biyombo at #6 otherwise we'd be looking at needing MAJOR minutes this year from Seraphin. And I think it's still premature to be able to rely on him for that.

[montestewart]

Maybe this is stating the obvious, but people seem to be leaving one crucial thing out when talking about trading McGee for the pick for Derrick Williams -- We would then need the #6 pick to grab another center. I don't see any fashion that we could get by with just Blatche and Seraphin as centers. So if you trade McGee, we have to be sure to get Kanter, JV, or even Biyombo at #6 otherwise we'd be looking at needing MAJOR minutes this year from Seraphin. And I think it's still premature to be able to rely on him for that.

That's a good point, and that's part of the reason some here are against giving up the #6 (or much of anything else) on top of McGee in the trade for the #2, or are against the trade altogether.

There are other options though: later draft picks might yield Nikola Vucevic, Jeremy Tyler, or some other rougher prospect, there might be some stop gap options in the FA market or BOYD trades, and the team could use a shortage a C to find out if Hamady has anything at all and whether Seraphin is a sooner, later, or never option at C. Further, the team might be lucky enough to find it has most everything it needs to contend for a championship except a center, just as Howard goes on the market.

[Illuminaire]

Going into next season with no center is all part of the plan to win ten games total, then ask Dwight who he wants us to add with the #1 pick when he signs with us in the summer of 2012.

[fishercob]

Maybe this is stating the obvious, but people seem to be leaving one crucial thing out when talking about trading McGee for the pick for Derrick Williams -- We would then need the #6 pick to grab another center. I don't see any fashion that we could get by with just Blatche and Seraphin as centers. So if you trade McGee, we have to be sure to get Kanter, JV, or even Biyombo at #6 otherwise we'd be looking at needing MAJOR minutes this year from Seraphin. And I think it's still premature to be able to rely on him for that.

That's a good point, and that's part of the reason some here are against giving up the #6 (or much of anything else) on top of McGee in the trade for the #2, or are against the trade altogether.

There are other options though: later draft picks might yield Nikola Vucevic, Jeremy Tyler, or some other rougher prospect, there might be some stop gap options in the FA market or BOYD trades, and the team could use a shortage a C to find out if Hamady has anything at all and whether Seraphin is a sooner, later, or never option at C. Further, the team might be lucky enough to find it has most everything it needs to contend for a championship except a center, just as Howard goes on the market.

It is a good point indeed. I like Williams -- a lot -- and I think he can be an NBA SF. But I also read tons of smart scouts saying he's a PF. There's far from consensus on what his NBA position is, and there's mild concern that he's a tweener.

The "good" news is that there's going to be a draft next year and that the Wiz will again likely be in the top half of the lottery. DX's '12 mock has the first 7 players as SF's or PF's, then Patric Young a "center" listed at 6'9 220. The next "center" listed is Tyler Zeller. No thanks.

Keep and develop McGee. Find our SF or PF next year.

[LyricalRico]

Going into next season with no center is all part of the plan to win ten games total, then ask Dwight who he wants us to add with the #1 pick when he signs with us in the summer of 2012.

[thinker07]

I might consider McGee + 6 for the 2 & 20.

I really like Vucevic at 18.

Maybe take Faried at 20? N.Smith at 34?

Williams, Vucevic, Faried, Smith... I love that draft from an attitude overhaul point of view.

Vucevic, Seraphin, NDiaye, Blatche, Faried, Williams, Booker, Lewis frontcourt looks pretty nice to me. Young, Crawford, Smith, Wall backcourt.

That's a really bad deal for us. The #20 is maybe worth $3 mil which we could just buy. Frankly McGee for the #2 straight up is a pretty generous deal for Minnesota. McGee has tremendous physical talent with huge upside.

[Dark Faze]

Maybe this is stating the obvious, but people seem to be leaving one crucial thing out when talking about trading McGee for the pick for Derrick Williams -- We would then need the #6 pick to grab another center. I don't see any fashion that we could get by with just Blatche and Seraphin as centers. So if you trade McGee, we have to be sure to get Kanter, JV, or even Biyombo at #6 otherwise we'd be looking at needing MAJOR minutes this year from Seraphin. And I think it's still premature to be able to rely on him for that.

Blatche would play the 5 in this scenario and we'd look more towards bigs in the draft. If we keep the 18 we look at Harper, if we keep the 6 then Jonas is a good possibility there.

Lacking a center means what exactly though? I mean...we're not a good team. Lacking a center is irrelevant because we're not a team capable of winning right now. Its strictly a matter of feeling that a potential franchise player is worth more than what McGee + picks could offer. I feel strongly that that's the case.

[jivelikenice]

Why do people assume that just because someone is available in free agency that we'll get them? Gasol is staying in Memphis and Chandler is not going to leave the NBA champs for a young rebuilding squad. The Wizards could probably get Nene to listen, but it would take overpaying to land him. If we trade McGee we would have to make due with what we have with the addition of a vet perhaps. Our long-term solution would come down the road.

Back to the trade. I would absolutely not trade Mcgee + the 6th pick for Williams. Mcgee is not a franchise player IMO but he can be a 25 minute center on a contending playoff team down the road in the Tyson Chandler mode. Those types of players are not easy to find. Giving him up along with the 6th pick is just crazy. The Timberwolves would have to throw back significant assets but frankly i don't see what would balance it out. We can say Wes Johnson all we want but they won't include him. Anthony Randolph intrigues me slightly but I'd probably want the 20th pick in addition to him.

That would mean the trade is McGee + 6th pick

for

#2 + Randolph + #20

I'm still not a huge fan of this deal though. What if we agree to the deal and Kanter slips to 6? Then we trade Mcgee and Kanter for Derrick Williams?? I would offer Minnesota Mcgee + 18 + cash and would say take it or leave it. If they say leave it I would then call Utah for the 3rd pick.

[Ruzious]

C'mon Boom, you're way too smart to fall for a highlights video like that. 2 words for you - Joe Alexander. Those who forget history are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past.

Watch a video of Vesely playing a game; not highlights. Then let me know what you think of him.

[jivelikenice]

Vesely is growing on me to be honest. He has deficiencies but the length and athletic ability is there. The thing that we're discounting is the level of competition he's gone against. He has played at a solid level against comp far superior to college comp and frankly the guys we are looking at @ 6 have not played at a far above solid level versus inferior competition. What works for Vesely is that he know how to play without the ball and that's key if you're going to be playing with Wall and Crawford.

[pcbothwel]

Ive said before that Im not a big Vesely fan. Its not that I dont think he can play in this league, because I think he'll be here for the next decade. I just think he has to work out at SF because of his small frame and horrible rebounding (which for a guy who hustles as much as he does is a little disturbing). If he doesnt improve his shot then you have a guy at the wing that plays average defense, below average rebounding, and contributes only hustle points.

God I cant wait for this draft to come and go.

[Jay81]

****BREAKING*****

The Wizards are "desperately" trying to move up to No. 2 in the draft, according to FOX's Sam Amico.
The Wolves are going to want the No. 6 pick plus talent, and rumor has it they are asking for talented center JaVale McGee. The Wizards have been developing McGee and have seen flashes of serious ability, so it's unclear if they'll bite here. McGee started 75 games a year ago and averaged 2.5 blocks a night in those

[WizarDynasty]

Tyler--transforms into a better D.Howard if allowed to battle mcgee, blatche, seraphin, and booker in practice. He is the quickest path for a championship in Washington.
IF Tyler is picked before the 6th, we rate Vesely higher than Kanter.
vesely's intangibles are perfect blend for wall.
Kanter works because we have no reliable rebouding coming off the bench but a fully developed Kanter is a 6th man type player where as a fully developed Tyler is a force that carries you through the playoffs.
Vesely gets you through the regular season and helps you shutdown some scorers but the only player i see in this draft who can impose their will once they are fully developed mentally is Tyler.
D.Williams works if the person guarding him in non athletic but he struggles against athletic players.

[pancakes3]

Lacking a center means what exactly though? I mean...we're not a good team. Lacking a center is irrelevant because we're not a team capable of winning right now. Its strictly a matter of feeling that a potential franchise player is worth more than what McGee + picks could offer. I feel strongly that that's the case.

it means we'll stay a bad team. it takes years to groom a decent C. chandler's been in the league 9 years already. unless you're hoping we luck out with a top 3 pick for the next 10 years hoping for that once-in-a-generation talent like Howard or Shaq, giving up on McGee now means we'll be center-less like the Raps for 75% of John Wall's career.

in short, i think giving up McGee for no C in return will mire us in mediocrity for the next decade.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Only way I trade Mcgee and 6 for the 2 is if we get back Wes Johnson.

At eighteen then I pray for Faried.

Wall/Jenkins
young/craw
Johnson/Lewis
Faried/blatche/Booker
Kanter/Seraphin

team would suck this year, but has young balance across the roster.

Then again, Kanter might just fall to us at 6.

I'd have to hold my nose and do this knowing very well that Java could blow up in Minny.
Sometimes a young knucklehead needs a reality dose like a trade to get him to admit weaknesses and focus on making himself the player he could be.

[Illuminaire]

If we're making the "premium" trade to get to the 2, it's not for Kanter. It's for Williams.

If we want to target Kanter, we look to get the 3 or the 4... and we don't make the trade offer until someone actually picks him ahead of us.

[TheBigThree]

I can honestly say that I'd be pretty okay with any of the Euro bigs at 6. Not a fan of using the 6th pick on a swing man.

If we can't trade up for Williams I'd personally just hope Kanter falls to us or take the best big man available when the 6th pick comes up.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

If we're making the "premium" trade to get to the 2, it's not for Kanter. It's for Williams.

If we want to target Kanter, we look to get the 3 or the 4... and we don't make the trade offer until someone actually picks him ahead of us.

I'm not sure about that. The only player/asset that Minny could throw in that I'm interested in is Johnson. Trading away Mcgee and picking up a three, I think we'd have to go big.

Of course, I'm like most people in that I haven't seen the big Enes play except in a highlight video... So, he very well might not be worth all that much.

[Illuminaire]

That's my point, LSBF. There is no reason to trade with Minnie if we want a big... there are better trade partners for that.

And no, trading McGee away so we can pick up Wes Johnson is not a good idea.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

I might consider McGee + 6 for the 2 & 20.

I really like Vucevic at 18.

Maybe take Faried at 20? N.Smith at 34?

Williams, Vucevic, Faried, Smith... I love that draft from an attitude overhaul point of view.

Vucevic, Seraphin, NDiaye, Blatche, Faried, Williams, Booker, Lewis frontcourt looks pretty nice to me. Young, Crawford, Smith, Wall backcourt.